6,5 Months update, Finasteride and daily shedding

Finn1

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My background: I’m 23 and Norwood 1,5. I have some diffuse thinning in crown area and behind hairline, but I don’t have experienced any hairline recession. I don’t know if anyone has noticed my thinning, because it is still in early stages.

Well, this my 6 months update. I’ve been on Proscar 1,25 mg/day for over six months. I added to my daily regimen 1 g MSM, 150 mg GSE, fish liver oil and B-vitamins in July.

Results: Well, the photos which I have taken with digital camera from April shows that I have gained no regrowth nor decreased hair count. I so guess I have maintained my hair during these six months. Still, I’m concerned about a couple of things.

1. First, a classic question: what is normal range of losing hair daily? I have lost these six months 100-150 terminal hairs in a day! That’s too much, or it this still normal for Norwood 1,5? Daily shed rate hasn’t decreased at all during these six months.

2. Second, many diffuse thinners use finasteride. But does it really help them? I found this study in July from pubmed:

"Production rates of testosterone and of DHT"
Testosterone may be more important than DHT in balding women.

Metabolism. 2003 Jul;52(7) 27-929. Related Articles, Links

Production rates of testosterone and of dihydrotestosterone in female pattern hair loss.

Vierhapper H, Maier H, Nowotny P, Waldhausl W.

Production rates of testosterone (T) and of dihydrotestosterone (DHT) were determined in young women (n = 8, age, 23 to 40 years) with female-pattern hair loss using the stable isotope dilution technique and mass spectrometry. 1alpha,2alpha-d-testosterone and 2,3,4-(13)C-dihydro-testosterone were infused for 10 hours at a dose of 2 microg/h each and blood samples were obtained at 20-minute intervals during the last 4 hours of the observation period. In the presence of normal metabolic clearance rates (MCRs), production rates of T were increased (9.4 +/- 5.0 microg/h; normal, 4.3 +/- 1.9 microg/h, P <.05). MCRs of DHT (8.0 +/- 3.4 L/h; normal, 25.9 +/- 12.3 L/h, P <.002) were subnormal in all women and the production rates of DHT were within or below the normal range (mean, 1.6 +/- 0.6 microg/h; normal, 2.9 +/- 1.1 microg/h, P <.02). Unlike men with male-pattern baldness, women with female-pattern baldness are characterized by increased production rates of T, but not of DHT. These results are compatible with the idea that 5alpha-reductase inhibition is of no therapeutical value in female-pattern baldness.

PMID: 12870172

This article got me concerned. Does this mean that diffuse type of loss in women and in MEN is caused by testosterone, not DHT? Are the fpb and â€diffuse-type†of male pattern baldness the same thing?
 

Lizzad

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This article got me concerned. Does this mean that diffuse type of loss in women and in MEN is caused by testosterone, not DHT? Are the fpb and â€￾diffuse-typeâ€￾ of male pattern baldness the same thing?

No. Hence this quote from the study:

Unlike men with male-pattern baldness, women with female-pattern baldness are characterized by increased production rates of T, but not of DHT.
 

Finn1

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Thanks for your reply, Lizzad.

But this "diffuse thinning" and fpb in men have got me confused. Some men who complain their hairloss on hair loss forums, are saying their hairloss is "general thinning", "diffuse thinning" or fpb. But aren't those three the same thing or not? Or is "diffuse thinning" only one type of male pattern baldness? I think this is question which haven't been discussed enough.
 

Lizzad

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To be honest, i don't really know what you "diffuse thinners" are all about. I'm a receeder, plain & simple, no issuses at the crown, just the hairline. As for as i have read, diffuse thinning is male pattern baldesss but merely with a different pattern. So maybe it shouldn't be called male [pattern baldness? But as far as i know, it is the same factors involved wether it's recession, diffuse thinning, or crown thinning.

ps. although dht has been identified as the main adrdogen involved in male pattern baldness, but there are other factors involved & other unspecified androgens. In essence, there is still a lot to be learned about male pattern baldness, that's why a combination of treatments is useful.

ps. you should wash with nizoral shampoo, preferably 2%, if you don't already.
 

Redbone

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Fin1 you should be using at the very least 3g of MSM a day most guys use 5-6G, and bump the GSE up to 600mg. I would also add 1G Arginine.
 
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