A question for Jacob!

Hoppi

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Hey hey :)

I was just wondering - is there a like, more affordable equivalent (or close) to your regimen that people could try? I do like the vague approach, and I basically want something that I know will work, if my current approach does not. As I plan to go back to uni in September, I certainly do NOT intend to be still battling this problem then, I want it either fixed or manageable!

At the moment my backup regimen may involve RU and minoxidil, etc, but if it was a bit more affordable I would definitely give something similar to yours a go if it was likely to yield results, as I'm sure many, many people would! :)

Cheers dude,

Hoppi :)
 

Jacob

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I really couldn't tell you how to go about using what I'm using..and doing so cheaper. I think I'd be doing that if I could :dunno: RU and minoxidil would probably be cheaper.

I'm assuming you're just referring to topicals..as I don't really list my supplements much. Colostrum is one I've been taking for quite awhile...and I'm sure when the right person comes along to post about it, many will jump on that bandwagon.(that was a joke btw..it's already happening) There's a manuka honey/colostrum combo I may try next..or http://www.newlifehealthsolutions.c...ncapsulated-liposomal-delivery-colostrum.html...although NanoPro will be in my fridge again.
 

Jacob

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BTW..here's a cheap :woot: supplement for you to try: https://www.prohealth.com/Shop/product.cfm/product__code/N0110

Relaxin exerts its effects on many of the body's systemic structures. The hormone is necessary to maintain the integrity of collagen and connective tissue through its direct effect on many of the documented receptor sites and its indirect effect on collagen.

Doctor Reports Relaxin Promotes Healthy Skin & Defends Against Ageing
Dr. Yue reports that “Relaxin is an essential hormone that is necessary to [support] a person from aging prematurely.â€￾ Relaxin hormone causes thickening of the epidermis by promoting skin cell renewal, so that cells divide at a rate typical of younger skin.

Other Ingredients
The two other essential components of Vitalaxin, Trypsin Inhibitor and Bovine Colostrum, work synergistically with one another to provide support and maintenance for all your body’s mechanisms. Relaxin hormone, the active ingredient in Vitalaxin, can normally be destroyed in the stomach by trypsin, an amino acid. The addition of a Trypsin Inhibitor to Vitalaxin, preserves the integrity and potency of relaxin. Bovine colostrum is known for its strengthening and rebuilding abilities.
 

squeegee

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Good find! WTF is relaxin?????????
 

squeegee

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Here is my next try: http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/e-ph ... grams.html

I waste about 300.00 CND per month on supplements but hit the gym min 5 days a week... Micronized DHEA is the best thing I tried so far.. You have to take it at night before bedtime for best results.. 50 mg...minimum.. you feel like superman on this.. Coenzyme A is another one.. I never get tired.. and Peak ATP.. unbelievable !!!!!!!! I just had a bloodtest.. I am in the military and part of the aircrew (air force) for the next 3 years.. so the medical exam is not easy.. The DR.. was just WTF! really impress.. yep supplements and daily exercises do the job i guess. If you think that mashed potatoes is enuff your are wrong!
 

Hoppi

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yeah I did mainly mean the topicals - they seem to be more to do with rejuvenating and maintaining the actual hair follicles than combating the DHT or anything, aren't they? It seems like it might take better care of the follicles in some ways than going for their androgen receptors or increasing nitric oxide or anything. Did you plan the combined effects of your topicals or did it just come together over time? :)
 

Jacob

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squeegee said:
Good find! WTF is relaxin?????????

We discussed this and I posted about that product some time ago..in another forum. This is something that was posted there:

Relaxin

What is it?

Relaxin is a polypeptide insulin-like hormone. What does it do?

Relaxin is a poorly understood hormone which has been thought to be related to pregnancy since levels rise at that time. Recent research is find that it is involved with many physiologic processes and that a lack of it can cause many symptoms such as:

Striated Muscle: FMS Myofascial Pain Muscle Problem

Smooth Muscle: Dizziness Irregular Heartbeat Edema (Swelling of Extremities) Shortness of Breath

Autonomic Nervous System: Blurred Vision Dry Organs, Decreased Secretions Poor Digestive Process Irritable Bowel Esophageal Reflux Pelvic Floor Pain

Connective Tissue: Joint Pains TMJ Brittle Hair and Nails Dry, Thin and Scaly Skin

Central Nervous System: Cognitive Dysfunction Emotional Distress Poor Coping Mechanisms Headaches

Woman who have been through menopause, have had a hysterectomy or oophorectomy tubal ligation, or have used birth control pills for extended periods of time, may have a Relaxin deficiency. Older men as well as women may become deficient in Relaxin since, like most hormones, it diminishes with age.

Dr. Samuel K. Yue made an interesting observation. He found that his patients who had fibromyalgia usually improved considerably when they were pregnant. He suspected it was the Relaxin increase during pregnancy that was responsible. From this he hypothesized that fibromyalgia may be in fact, at least partly a Relaxin deficiency disease. People with insufficient Relaxin suffer not only from fibromyalgia but premature aging. Subsequent tests of this hypothesis in his clinic proved that fibromyalgia does, in fact, respond very well to Relaxin.

Human recombinant Relaxin is currently undergoing clinical trials for Scleroderma and indications are "very encouraging." Dr. Yue says that porcine (from pigs) Relaxin is 4 times more effective than human Relaxin. In general Relaxin provides increased energy, increased growth of hair and nails, and improved complexion and elasticity of the skin. Those who suffer from premature aging may also be a candidate for relaxin.

Benefits may take up to 8 to 9 weeks to manifest.

Here is a FAQ about relaxin:

How does relaxin affect the physiology of collagen?

· Relaxin increases the metabolism of fibroblasts, which synthesize the collagen fibers of the dermis, producing a new collagen layer. As a result of this new collagen layer, relaxin has been found not only to promote and accelerate healing of wounds in damaged tissue, but also to contribute to effacement and prevention of wrinkles and lines.

What is relaxin's effect on skin?

· Relaxin normalizes the differentiation of cells in the epidermis, which results in smoother, better hydrated skin. Cells are not only produced more rapidly, but are shed in exfoliation as individual cells rather than as clusters or scales. The result is a smoother surface with less conspicuous pores and fine wrinkles. In sun-damaged skin, abnormal growths and segments of atypical epidermis are corrected, reversed or eliminated. Mottling and spots are reduced, and actinic keratoses ("sun splotches") and blackheads may be eliminated.

Will users become 'dependent' on relaxin?

· The need to continually take relaxin is similar to taking vitamin C, estrogen or insulin. While it does not create dependence or addiction, it does serve to replace a critical hormone that the body originally produced in sufficient quantities. Most people who experience relief from their symptoms choose to continue taking it. Not taking it will only take patients back to their original physical state.

Can you test for the level of relaxin?

· Yes, but at present, there are no credible tests that can measure relaxin because the levels are so small - below 200 picograms. The two tests available are the ELISA test, which is sensitive but not specific enough, and the RIA test, which is specific but not sensitive enough.

Fibr
 

Jacob

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squeegee said:
Here is my next try: http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/e-ph ... grams.html

I waste about 300.00 CND per month on supplements but hit the gym min 5 days a week... Micronized DHEA is the best thing I tried so far.. You have to take it at night before bedtime for best results.. 50 mg...minimum.. you feel like superman on this.. Coenzyme A is another one.. I never get tired.. and Peak ATP.. unbelievable !!!!!!!! I just had a bloodtest.. I am in the military and part of the aircrew (air force) for the next 3 years.. so the medical exam is not easy.. The DR.. was just WTF! really impress.. yep supplements and daily exercises do the job i guess. If you think that mashed potatoes is enuff your are wrong!

Did u notice this from your link?

Although rare, possible androgenic side effects including but not limited to acne, increased risk of male pattern baldness, and gynecomastia may occur.
 

squeegee

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Jacob said:
squeegee said:
Here is my next try: http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/e-ph ... grams.html

I waste about 300.00 CND per month on supplements but hit the gym min 5 days a week... Micronized DHEA is the best thing I tried so far.. You have to take it at night before bedtime for best results.. 50 mg...minimum.. you feel like superman on this.. Coenzyme A is another one.. I never get tired.. and Peak ATP.. unbelievable !!!!!!!! I just had a bloodtest.. I am in the military and part of the aircrew (air force) for the next 3 years.. so the medical exam is not easy.. The DR.. was just WTF! really impress.. yep supplements and daily exercises do the job i guess. If you think that mashed potatoes is enuff your are wrong!

Did u notice this from your link?

Although rare, possible androgenic side effects including but not limited to acne, increased risk of male pattern baldness, and gynecomastia may occur.


Yep everything related to dhea and testo=baldness...I know but here is a link from a guy from IH: http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/natu ... light=dhea

H, I wanted to confirm you're theory that low DHEA could signal your body to produce more DHT. Of course this isn't too scientific, but still interesting.

December 2007
DHEA 432 (5-1476 ug/24hrs) (Not on any DHEA supps)
THF 2281 (942-2800 ug/24hrs) (5AR Activity)
5a-THF 2382 (796-2456 ug/24hrs) (5AR Activity)

February 2008
DHEA 1268 (5-1476 ug/24hrs) (I was on oral DHEA and Preg, this level is a little too high)

BUT, check out how much lower my 5AR activity is:

THF 1936 (942-2800 ug/24hrs) (5AR Activity) (-345)
5a-THF 1638 (796-2456 ug/24hrs) (5AR Activity) (-744)

I saw other similar results on anabolicminds and bodybuildings forum...
 
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