Aden's Story

Aden D.

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Hello,

This board is a rather comforting place, as hair has been on my mind dramatically for several weeks now. I'm 20 years old, and I'm afraid that I'm losing my hair, starting at the crown. I do have incredibly thin hair, but it has been this way for a few years.

I'll tell my story, and it spans a few years, but every detail is important to understand my state. I thank, in advance, the members who will respond to me.

When I was in middle school and high school, I was obese. For most of these years, I was about 5'5" and 240 pounds. This led to very late puberty, no friends, involuntary isolation and repression, massive depression, throwing up...really, you name it. I was a legitamately sad person during the years where I should've been having fun.

But I did something about it. Late sixteen, I became a vegetarian, which steadily progressed into a very, very healthy lifestyle. It took a few years, but I managed to find the attractive person on my outside that I thought didn't exist.

Now I'm 20, 5'10", and 165 pounds, and I consider myself an attractive person (and have been told that I am, too). I'm at the gym at least 6 days a week for an hour a day, I'm out a lot, I eat insanely healthy (vegan), take vitamins, etc...

...and it looks like I'm probably starting to lose my hair (more on this next paragraph). As anybody here can imagine, I'm still trying to cope with this irony that I'm faced with. I lived most of my life believing that I looked horrible, lived most of it hiding from people...now that I'm confident and have vanity (something I never thought I would have) I want to keep it, but this hair loss isn't going to make things easy.

Here are a few facts: My mother's side of the family all have completely full heads of hair, absolutely no history of hair loss. My father's side, however, has dramatic hairloss...my Dad had a bald spot by the age of 22. With that said, I look nothing like my father, I have my mother's eyes, nose, etc. I don't think I have either of their hairs. It's a toss up, it seems, but I think my father's genes are kicking in.

As for the details on my hair loss, there is no concrete bald spot on my head yet.

A little more history: ever since I was a little boy, hair has been pretty faint in that area, and it has always grown like that. I made a short film (and appeared in it) when I was 17, three years ago, and there are above angle and over the head shots where you can see the back of my head...and the crown was faint then too (and I wasn't even fully developed then, but I was starting to get there). Another photograph, from a year ago, still has that hairspot there...it does appear to have gotten worse though.

But even so, I was only sporadically worried about it until I saw my dermatologist a couple weeks ago and asked him what he thought, and indeed, he told me what I didn't want to hear...that it appeared I had lost 50% of hair in the area. Now, I didn't have time to tell him my history as I told all of you just now, but nevertheless, he recommended Propecia.

For a week now I've been on the generic Propecia (the fours "1.25 style"), and have experienced no side effects. This morning I thought I had noticed a little difference, though I'm not sure if it's real or if I was imagining it.

I have no digital camera, and no picture of my crown, and I can't find a picture online of a similar crown (can you direct me to any sites with examples?). It's a crown with hair still growing out of it...no bald spots...but it does look very faint, as if it's the starting signs.

So, Propecia will hopefully take care of those awful DHTs. And I'm washing my hair with Pantene Pro-V, which seems good, and its credentials are certainly impressive (should I use another shampoo though?).

I'm just waiting it out...I look forward to the day (if it comes) wherein I'll look in the mirror and see a full crown. Maybe that day will come in a few months...until then, this site will help when I start worrying. I'm only 20, and there is a good chance to preserve what i have, and maybe a good chance to grow back what isn't there.

Do you recommend I take anything else other than what I'm doing? Any other comments? Anything I should know?

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Follically Challenged

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Well man there's tons of things. Personally I don't like recommending things because I don't really know what works and what doesn't.

But AAKG with an l-ornithine stack has me excited.

And so does Nano shampoo.
 

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The Big Three:

Propecia (Finasteride) or Avodart (Dutasteride)
Minoxidil
Nizoral

Everything else may or may not help. It also depends how much you really want to shell out every month, as well as how much you want to have to do every day to keep your hair. I would think it becomes difficult to know what is working and what isn't if you use the kitchen sink approach and throw in 15 things at once. The above three are the most proven, and if you'd like to add things to that, I'm sure others can recommend them!

Edit: I guess I should add that if it's only been a short time, you probably won't see any regrowth yet. Most people don't see regrowth for about 4-6 months. Sometimes it takes longer. Sometimes nothing regrows but you're able to maintain. It's best to take before pictures, be consistent with treatment for 4-6 months and take after pictures and compare the two. Good luck, I'm sure after the shock of losing your hair wears off, you'll be back in good spirits in no time. :)
 
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Aden D. said:
My mother's side of the family all have completely full heads of hair, absolutely no history of hair loss. My father's side, however, has dramatic hairloss...my Dad had a bald spot by the age of 22. With that said, I look nothing like my father, I have my mother's eyes, nose, etc. I don't think I have either of their hairs. It's a toss up, it seems, but I think my father's genes are kicking in.

You can inherit it from your dad's side as well as I have found out. My hairloss pattern is eerily similar to my dad's NW5 diffuse pattern at 50 and his father's NW5 diffuse pattern at 50.

My mom's side has great hair genes and I look like her as well but I'm still balding.

Get on Propecia and Nizoral and don't look back. Oh and see a derm if you haven't already.
 

Aden D.

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Thanks for the responses. Yes, I unfortunately do know that you can inherit from your father's side, which is what I believe is kicking in, unfortunately. But he went bald very early, by his mid 20s (and this was in the 1970s, the decade for hair if there was any, so it must've been hell for him at first).

I've been on the generic Propecia for a week and plan to stay on it. I'll look into Nizoral in the next couple days. Can anybody tell me a bit about Minoxidil?

And yes, I won't be turning back, I want hair on my head for as long as possible. At least I've taken notice and charge at 20 instead of waiting longer, because once it's gone it's gone, and this way it seems likely with these meds that I'll be able to keep it for a longer time.
 
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Aden D. said:
Can anybody tell me a bit about Minoxidil?

It's the active ingredient in Rogaine. It's a liquid that you apply to your scalp using a dropper or they have a foam version of it now which I've heard absorbs better and is more effective. You apply it directly to the balding areas on your scalp twice a day, so morning and night. It doesn't stop the balding process like Propecia but it is a great product to use in tandem with Propecia because Propecia will stop the balding and maybe give you a bit of regrowth while Rogaine should give you more regrowth.
 

Aden D.

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JayMan,

I looked through your thread, and I'm just wondering, can you please list here exactly what you're doing/taking? Is it just dutasteride (does really block 50% more than Propecia?), Nizarol, and Minoxodil? I'm asking because I'm rather impressed with your hair, and I want to get to where you are right now.

Are there side effects to Minoxodil?

I wish I could post a picture of my crown just so I can get some estimates or guesstimates on the stage, etc. Anybody know of a website with examples of crowns?

Thanks in advance.

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Aden D.

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(continued from post above)

Two more questions:

What is the best shampoo to use?

How often should I wash my hair (I'm assuming everyday isn't a good idea).

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Ketoconazole shampoo, every morning or evening if you cant take it.
 

Aden D.

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Hello,

I'm sure we've all been here, but I just had the most terribly depressing day today worrying about my hair. That, and today (for the first time in many years) my hair is very itchy. Is this normal when starting finasteride?

And I found a fellow user's crown pick that (more or less) resembles mine when it's under bright light.

http://img7.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=61263_Spa500333_378lo.jpg

The difference is the pattern of the balding is a bit different on my head, and (like this user also indicated) there are no solid bald areas yet on my crown, there is just a noticeable thinning pattern. My hair is also much darkner than his. And for me, the balding is rather noticeable when you look at my left profile (but even as a little boy my thin crown was noticeable on my left profile...so maybe that's just me...but having a noticeable light pattern there certainly doesn't help).

I'm on finasteride, and will explore other areas. What do you guys think of this kind of general balding?

And, if possible, somebody please tell me more about this itching.

And there is talk that in five years there will be better treatments. Any indications of what to expect? I'll be 25 in five years, and hopefully will have retained 90-100% of what I have right now.

Please help...I'm just depressed and worried like hell about this, it's distracting me from everything. Like many here I feel as if my youth and chances of attracting a woman are slipping away (even though, at the moment, I still have plenty of hair...albeit thin).

Best,
Aden
 

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Aden D. said:
What makes it the best?

Ketoconazole is in Nizoral and similar shampoos, and I am told it has some effect on DHT. Good luck.
 

Aden D.

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I hope somebody here answers my questions in my previous posts sometime...this thread sort of just died.

One of the main ones: should I wash my hair every day? Because, that's what I've been doing, and while afterwards my hair is fluffy as hell as covers all bald areas, a few hours later the bald areas come more into sight.
 

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Aden D. said:
I hope somebody here answers my questions in my previous posts sometime...this thread sort of just died.

One of the main ones: should I wash my hair every day? Because, that's what I've been doing, and while afterwards my hair is fluffy as hell as covers all bald areas, a few hours later the bald areas come more into sight.

The questions are personal, and my solutions won't necessarily work for you. This is like any area of research in complex biology, unfortunately you need to read hundreds of posts, some informative and clear, others no so. We are trying to be salamanders, instead of growing back one squiggley tail, it is thousands of little squiqqley hairs.
Best wishes.
Boru
 
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Aden D. said:
I hope somebody here answers my questions in my previous posts sometime...this thread sort of just died.

One of the main ones: should I wash my hair every day? Because, that's what I've been doing, and while afterwards my hair is fluffy as hell as covers all bald areas, a few hours later the bald areas come more into sight.

washing your hair once a day is fine. or wash it once a week or twice a day. it won't affect your hair loss.
 

Boru

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I have seen some dreadful nanomats slapped on like curry paste, is yours subtle?
 

Aden D.

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Hello everybody,

Well, I've been on finasteride for a little over a month now, and my hair hasn't gotten worst. It's possible that there has been some slight improvement, or maybe I'm just feeling better about it (always a good thing, too).

However, now I'm going to finally start to introduce other treatments into the mix. I bought a NIOXIN Thinning Hair System Starter Kit today, which includes NIOXIN Cleanser, Scalp Therapy, and Scalp Treatment.

It says to use each "daily," but I know others on here, like Jayman, use it only twice or four times a week. Can anybody provide me with a recommended usage for these products?

Next week I'm breaking out the Rogaine, the three combined hopefully kicking the sh*t out of any potential hairloss. Wish me luck.

PS- JayMan, I'm particularly interested in your comments on Nioxin, thank you.
 

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Aden D. said:
Just a question...Nioxin is good, right?

I don't know anything about it but reading your above post I say it sounds really dodgy. A hair thinning system :roll:

What is it supposed to do?
 
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