Any news from Edinburgh ?

[hahadaxiao]

It`s said that the 7th World Congress for Hair Reaserch was just held in Edinburgh in May 4th to 6th .Anyone knows something about that ? Any good news expecially about follice cloning and stem cell treatment ? I will work for that as well and if any good news ,I will post to you guys .

 

[Kirby]

Nothing mentioned at all on BTT. I imagine it's an event for research findings rather than to trail new actual products, which will be 10 years away at least anyway.

 

[vinhd]

It`s said that the 7th World Congress for Hair Reaserch was just held in Edinburgh in May 4th to 6th .Anyone knows something about that ? Any good news expecially about follice cloning and stem cell treatment ? I will work for that as well and if any good news ,I will post to you guys .

The meeting is from May 8th to May 11th according to Histogen's website. So just wait for a few more days.

 

[IDW2BB]

They are talking about a way to make an existing product more effective. Whether this reduces side effects, I don't know.http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/b...ategory-1-order-last_answer-descasc-DESC.html

Topical Finasteride Formulation: The swedes have come up with P-3074 which is a Finasteride 0.25% topical solution mixed with hydroxypropyl-chitosan (HPCH) which is a film-forming agent. They compared using this solution (once daily) with 1mg oral finasteride once daily and what they saw was mind boggling!!! Topical reduced scalp DHT by 71% whereas oral reduced it by 51%. Furthermore, serum DHT was reduced by about the same in both groups!!!

http://www.google.com/patents/EP2153836A1?cl=en

 

[Quantum Cat]

a topical Finasteride that works, and isn't absorbed systemically would be the holy grail. Let's hope they put this on the market soon!

 

[hahadaxiao]

Hi vinhd . But the website of the organizer said it was held during May 4-6 . OK, anyway I will wait .
http://www.hair2013.org/

 

[abcdefg]

I hope their wrong because a topical version of finasteride that works as well or better then the oral would baffle everyone. Why in 20 years would merk not have found this or tried it given the huge amounts of profit they make claiming its all R&D right? Lots of men without doubt would be on finasteride if it was topical without the dangerous sides including me. I hope someone can get topical finasteride to work well and prove it does and start selling it because I would gladly use that over messing up my delicate hormonal system.

 

[Quantum Cat]

the only downsides are that topicals are a pain to apply and can leave your hair looking and smelling awful - whereas it's much easier and cleaner just to pop a pill. There's a lot of angst about side effects on forums like this but in the general populace most men aren't that concerned about sides from Propecia.

Maybe that's why Merck never went down the topical finasteride route. Creating new drugs is a very expensive business and they have to be sure they'll make a profit. Propecia sales were described as disappointing, probably because most of us bought the generic 5mg instead, and now the patent's expired Merck will make even less money from it

 

[Sparky4444]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ --- that's all it is about...it costs pennies to make those little pills and put them in the packets...topicals are messy and a pain...why compromise a cash-cow by adding more crap to the package and making it less desireable for usage...pop a pill and done...apply crap on your hair for life every night?? yuk..

plain and simple

 

[abcdefg]

I dont know I think most men that have common sense might question taking a strong hormonal drug for years what that could do to you. I mean its for any drug not just this no one has any idea what most drugs are going to do someone long term which is why no one should really use them unless its an important health problem where you need to use them.
I will agree the idea of using a topical everyday is a royal pain I gave up on topical spironolactone, but a big part of it is lack of proof it does anything. I might be a little more motivated if I knew a topical worked well for hair loss. Less frequent applications though would be a big plus but if topical finasteride could work why not just try dutasteride or RU topically? Again though we need proof it works and its safe which is where all the many topicals fall short so far. I am not mixing and formulating it myself.

 

[Sparky4444]

I dont know I think most men that have common sense might question taking a strong hormonal drug for years what that could do to you. I mean its for any drug not just this no one has any idea what most drugs are going to do someone long term which is why no one should really use them unless its an important health problem where you need to use them.
I will agree the idea of using a topical everyday is a royal pain I gave up on topical spironolactone, but a big part of it is lack of proof it does anything. I might be a little more motivated if I knew a topical worked well for hair loss. Less frequent applications though would be a big plus but if topical finasteride could work why not just try dutasteride or RU topically? Again though we need proof it works and its safe which is where all the many topicals fall short so far. I am not mixing and formulating it myself.

Good points...

If RU could be applied without PPG then I would consider it

I know quite a few guys who have had no problem at all popping that pill because they are desparate and their ego's are very fragile...I always felt iffy about it and it got to the point where I just couldn't do it anymore...

At the end of the day, I had positive results with CET and Tricomin but even then I was feeling light-headed after a few months...

So I firmly believe beyond hair transplant's, topical's is where this battle will be won..and if topical finasteride can reduce scalp DHT like this one claims to do, then that's all there is to it

 

[IDW2BB]

The answer is obvious as to why topical finasteride/dutasteride/RU will never be pursued by Big Pharm.. The liability is far to great for someone accidentally transferring "some" amount of the drug to someone else. The wife sleeping next to a husband who has a finasteride. topical on is an obvious one. How about the guy who scratches his head and touches a pregnant lady at work? This doesn't address the matter as to "if" the topical is more effective, just as to why it will never be on the market! Here is the kicker, what if the topical is safer for us and more effective but, just to dangerous of a risk to others?! We stay bald to protect the well being of others! Sounds about like our luck!:doh:

 

[Quantum Cat]

so we have to continue suffering for a bullsh!t reason rotest: ...... again!

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although topical spironolactone, if it was transferred accidently to someone else could be dangerous. In fact, there are probably a lot of things people smear on their bodies that could harm others if they came into contact with it

 

[Sparky4444]

The answer is obvious as to why topical finasteride/dutasteride/RU will never be pursued by Big Pharm.. The liability is far to great for someone accidentally transferring "some" amount of the drug to someone else. The wife sleeping next to a husband who has a finasteride. topical on is an obvious one. How about the guy who scratches his head and touches a pregnant lady at work? This doesn't address the matter as to "if" the topical is more effective, just as to why it will never be on the market! Here is the kicker, what if the topical is safer for us and more effective but, just to dangerous of a risk to others?! We stay bald to protect the well being of others! Sounds about like our luck!:doh:

Gawd, can you be more paranoid?? This rant has no merit whatsoever

 

[Quantum Cat]

Gawd, can you be more paranoid?? This rant has no merit whatsoever

it sounds unlikely, but when you think of the litigious age we live in - people suing for the tiniest thing; all these spurious Propecia lawsuits being drawn up - it might not be so far fetched. The corporations are not going to take any risks if it means they might have to shell out lots of cash later down the line.

It's a shame really, the lawsuit trend stifles real research and development into meds that might help people

 

[IDW2BB]

Gawd, can you be more paranoid?? This rant has no merit whatsoever

Ever read the handling instructions on a box of finasteride in regards to women? Does it address crushed pills? Does it mention the possibilty of absorbtion? Now, what if you add a compound that increases absorbtion through the skin? I'm not paranoid, I'm giving an opinion on a message board. It is up to you whether you think Finasteride's warning label has any "merit" to it.

 

[Sparky4444]

Ever read the handling instructions on a box of finasteride in regards to women? Does it address crushed pills? Does it mention the possibilty of absorbtion? Now, what if you add a compound that increases absorbtion through the skin? I'm not paranoid, I'm giving an opinion on a message board. It is up to you whether you think Finasteride's warning label has any "merit" to it.

If I'm in a relationship where having children is the plan, then the last effin' thing on my priority list is worrying about my hair!!

Sure, if you put this stuff on and she runs her hand through your hair, OK, then that's a risk...ONLY IF YOU'RE TRYING TO HAVE KIDS...

Anyways, the responsibility is yours...there's nothing stopping people from crushing pills and making their own topicals, so why would the FDA legislate it out with a topical solution that comes off the shelf?? If this new thing is a mixture of finasteride and a liquid vehicle, then there is nothing stopping them from making the liquid vehicle...get the finasteride on your own...It's like buying a gun without the bullets....American's do it all the time and you people die like crazy from guns yet the FDA will legislate this out???

Gimme an effin break

 

[IDW2BB]

If I'm in a relationship where having children is the plan, then the last effin' thing on my priority list is worrying about my hair!!

Sure, if you put this stuff on and she runs her hand through your hair, OK, then that's a risk...ONLY IF YOU'RE TRYING TO HAVE KIDS...

Anyways, the responsibility is yours...there's nothing stopping people from crushing pills and making their own topicals, so why would the FDA legislate it out with a topical solution that comes off the shelf?? If this new thing is a mixture of finasteride and a liquid vehicle, then there is nothing stopping them from making the liquid vehicle...get the finasteride on your own...It's like buying a gun without the bullets....American's do it all the time and you people die like crazy from guns yet the FDA will legislate this out???

Gimme an effin break

I think you are correct that we will have to make this ourselves. I was giving an opinion as to why Big pharm. will not be the one to supply us with this. I'm glad you recognize there are risks involved with this! If you are going to wait and get this prescribed by a doctor, that day may never come. Both finasteride and the hp-chitosan are already FDA approved so what would be the hold up in your opinion? Money? If you can get better results with this topical (and that has to be the case doesn't it?), then Merck or whoever could potentially make even more money with this than the pills. Why didn't/don't they pursue it then? BTW, dutasteride. nor RU are approved for hair so let's keep the discussion about finasteride.

 

[resu]

so we have to continue suffering for a bullsh!t reason rotest: ...... again!

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although topical spironolactone, if it was transferred accidently to someone else could be dangerous. In fact, there are probably a lot of things people smear on their bodies that could harm others if they came into contact with it

Like herpes.

 

[Sparky4444]

Based on what we've all learned about hairloss through the years, I think it is clear that even if this topical DHT thing were to decrease dht scalp levels by 70%, that alone wouldn't be enough to awaken the follicles to regrow back to normal..it would be the ultimate maintainer, bar-none...and it would no doubt propel things like CET and minoxidil to regrown a lot stronger....