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Appearance: why baldness matters.

Don't ask me how I got to this site lol, I was searching for a study of Cash. Anyway I enjoyed the piece of writing;


Why should baldness be such a big deal in the first place? After all hair is just dead cells called keratin!! And baldness is not only a human trait. Some other primates such as Chimpanzees, stump-tailed macaques and South American Nakari show progressive thinning of the hair as they age. Do you ever hear them complaining about having to regain hair loss? Fortunately for them they don’t have to deal with other humans.

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We live in an age where appearance is king, so how do other people view bald or balding men generally? Cash's 1988 study gives us a good idea. He asked three groups of people - young, middle-aged and elderly - to look at slides of bald and haired men. No one in the study was told why he or she was looking at these particular pictures, but was asked to rate the person in each slide for qualities such as intelligence, life success, personal likeability, self-assertiveness, social attractiveness, physical attractiveness and their perceived age.


The study confirmed a generally negative social stereotype of balding people as being less attractive, less happy and less successful. Both men and women expected the balding men to be less personally like-able than the non-balding. No wonder people are looking to regain hair loss.


Personal attractiveness impinges on all aspects of life. From pre-school to work and from courtroom to relationships, beauty is a commodity that influences the quality of your life. Anything that lessens attractiveness must surely work to your detriment to some degree. From the available research, going bald is certainly one of those things that does diminish attractiveness.


Sure, you can point to Yul Brynner and Sean Connery but they are loved because they made movies. Would they be held in such high esteem if one ran Yul’s butchery and the other ran Connery’s Key Cutting and Shoe Repair? I doubt it.


Sean and Yul aside, in a Zoomerang survey of 2006, 78 percent of those surveyed thought that men with a full head of hair were sexier than those who are losing their hair and those who are bald. No wonder men everywhere are searching regain hair loss.


In another study a perception of bald men looking less attractive (and less attractive sexually) was found in more than 90% of subjects surveyed. Importantly, this view was more common in women than non-balding men but still prevalent.


One study showed that a man with a full head of hair was more likely to be invited to a job interview by a personnel manager and more likely to be hired after the interview. One aspect of this research that may explain the results is that bald men were seen as being older than their real age. A survey from Hong Kong found that nearly half of all companies there discriminated against baldness.


Out of the 113 employers polled forty-three percent said they would not hire people with hair-loss for customer service jobs, and 26 percent would refuse them for managerial positions where they would be required to represent their firms at important meetings. Is there any good news? Well, yes. Bald and balding men are generally perceived as being more intelligent, which is a very small consolation when they lose out in so many other areas. And that leads us to how to regain hair loss....
taken from; http://www.electricphysique.com/regain-hair-loss.html
 

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It's so true Swoop. Subconsciously the appearance of someone else actually shapes everything about them to us. Especially in the initial stages. Their intellect, charisma whether they are trust worthy e.t.c. It affects many facets of life as that article alludes to. The value of good looks (with full hair) can set you up for sure.
 

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And then you have studies that say bald men are "more dominant", "taller, and stronger" (http://spp.sagepub.com/content/4/2/198.short).

The way baldness is perceived is a social construct and will elicit different reactions in different people, albeit mostly negative to different degrees. Unfortunately, we already know that. I'm not advocating burying one's head in the sand but at this point, to keep posting more articles like OP's just feels like beating a dead horse.

Or maybe I'm slightly jaded this end of year and don't fully realize it. If so, my apologies.
 

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Male attractiveness makes women emote. Period. Nature/evolution set this up. The unattractive man is up against VERY strong headwinds because nature is a VERY powerful force and nature steers ALL women towards attractive men. While she still has free will her natural inclination is to select attractive men. This holds true for every place on earth wherever there are women and men.
 

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That doesn't explain why so many ugly to average guys still manage to get laid.

Women are attracted to men they feel sexually compatible with.

You really think attractive men can get any woman they want?

Saying this is just pure fantasy, I know the sluthate guys would really like this to be true, but unfortunately, reality contradicts that statement.

My cousin is very attractive and I've seen him get rejected by 90% of the girls he approached.

But still, it's obvious he was advantaged by his good looks. How many men can brag about getting 10% of the girls they approach? That's a huge success ratio.

And many girls would admitted that yes, he was pretty cute, but that he just wasn't doing it for her.

That doesn't change the fact that even the most handsome guys out there will still get rejected by 90% of the girls out there.

In order to get a girl, you have to be her type. And being a girl's type has sometimes little to do with conventional attractiveness.

This is why I think it's important to stress the difference between looks and beauty.

Anyway, I've never understood this debate about baldness and beauty.

Yes, baldness isn't pleasing to the eye, but it won't turn any man (good-looking or not... especially a good-looking one) into a beast.

I don't want to be bald not because it makes me ugly, I don't want to be bald because I want to look f-ing normal for my age.

I want to be able to fit in, to be treated with respect by my peers, and not have guys come up to me and so: "You're unemployed?! No wonder, you have no hair!"


You're incorrect.

When I had my hair I was a totally arrogant jerk and I could have any woman I wanted.

That's why good-looking guys behave so badly. They know they can be their natural jerky selves and still get women.
 

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And of course you would know if I'm tellin the truth or not.

Feller, good looking guys act like jerks because women want those guy and those guys know it.
When it comes to women, they all want the same guy and he's attractive.
 

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All I can say is: create a YouTube channel, and film yourself getting all the women you approach, it would be a first in human history, and you could make a lot of money out of this.

Oh, but you cannot do it because you don't have your hair anymore! That's such a shame. Well, I guess we'll just all take your word for it then, it's not like there are people writing BS on the internet.


It doesn't matter about me specifically because everybody knows that attractive men get away with a lot of stuff.
And if a guy is very handsome he can get way more than 10% of the women he picks up on and everyone knows this.

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All I can say is: create a YouTube channel, and film yourself getting all the women you approach, it would be a first in human history, and you could make a lot of money out of this.

Oh, but you cannot do it because you don't have your hair anymore! That's such a shame. Well, I guess we'll just all take your word for it then, it's not like there are people writing BS on the internet.

Why would someone get a lot of money by picking up a lot of women?
 

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Fred, he really is out of it. :laugh:


Go get a hair piece, might suite you and your grande expectations, and deluded-megalomaniac self.
 

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Even Brad Pitt reported being rejected often (when he wasn't famous, but still).

This guy (Paul Janka) said he only had sex with 10% of the girls whose number he got, so ultimately, even less than 10% of the girls he approached:

Paul-Janka-2.jpg


But I guess nameless is above both of them.

Maybe if Brad Pitt and Paul Janka acted more like jerks, they would never have been rejected?

Maybe Brad Pitt just said what he said to make other guys (who don't get to look as good) feel less bad AND JEALOUS of him. Maybe he worries that if other guys are jealous of him that will harm his popularity with guys who don't get to look so good.

Look at how shookwun took it personally and called me a "megalomaniac" just because I said I used to be good-looking and I used to have a lot of girlfriends. Shookwun's annoyed reaction to the disclosure that I was popular when I had my hair supports my point that Brad Pitt has a reason to pretend he has girl problems - to protect his popularity with guys who don't get to look good and don't get to be popular. If Brad Pitt is claiming girl problems I'm laughing. Who would actually fall for that?

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Fred, he really is out of it. :laugh:


Go get a hair piece, might suite you and your grande expectations, and deluded-megalomaniac self.

You go wear a wig.
 

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Already had a hair transplant to restore my hairline while you sulk in memories of your former self, and think you deserve hair.


Hairs a privilege stud, deal with it.
 

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Already had a hair transplant to restore my hairline while you sulk in memories of your former self, and think you deserve hair.


Hairs a privilege stud, deal with it.

I never said I "deserve" hair. I said I want hair. There's a big difference. In other words, you lied.

And I don't sulk here. I just discuss my hair-related observations here and that's what this place is for. YOU sound personally wounded by the revelation that I was popular when I had my hair and then you
say I'm sulking. LOL! Take a look in the mirror to see the dude that's sulking. I gather that even when you had your hair you didn't get to be a stud. Ah well.

And if your restored hair line has you in great shape then what do you continue to come here? And don't bother answering that question because it was a rhetorical question. I know why you come here.
You come here sniffing for hair loss information because you are not in great shape. In other words, when you tried to promote the falsehood that you're in great shape you were lying again.

And hair is not a privilege because some people get to keep their hair their entire lives. Hair loss is just one disfigurement that some unlucky people get stuck with, and we drew snake eyes.
 

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I never said I "deserve" hair. I said I want hair. There's a big difference. In other words, you lied.

And I don't sulk here. I just discuss my hair-related observations here and that's what this place is for. YOU sound personally wounded by the revelation that I was popular when I had my hair and then you
say I'm sulking. LOL! Take a look in the mirror to see the dude that's sulking. I gather that even when you had your hair you didn't get to be a stud. Ah well.

And if your restored hair line has you in great shape then what do you continue to come here? And don't bother answering that question because it was a rhetorical question. We all know why you come here.
You come here sniffing for hair loss information because you are not in great shape. In other words, when you tried to promote the falsehood that you're in great shape that was you lying again.

And hair is not a privilege because some people get to keep their hair their entire lives. Hair loss is just one disfigurement that some unlucky people get stuck with, and we drew snake eyes.

No, there's no way you can be in your 40s you're just too stupid it's impossible.
 

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No, there's no way you can be in your 40s you're just too stupid it's impossible.

LOL! It is VERY possible.

But what exactly did I say that makes you claim I'm stupid?

Please quote the statement(s) I posted that indicate I'm stupid, if you can.
 

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LOL! It is VERY possible.

But what exactly did I say that makes you claim I'm stupid?

Please quote the statement(s) I posted that indicate I'm stupid, if you can.

"And I don't sulk here. I just discuss my hair-related observations"-Yes, you do sulk, take a look at your post history.

"YOU sound personally wounded by the revelation that I was popular"-lol trying to spin the conversation to make him look like the one with the problem.

"I gather that even when you had your hair you didn't get to be a stud"-how could you come to that conclusion from his post? on the contrary, most of us felt great when we had hair, but the majority of guys here lose it when they're very young, 20s and in some cases like mine, start balding in teens, so we get less time to enjoy it.

"And if your restored hair line has you in great shape then what do you continue to come here? "-Because we care about hair loss still? Seriously you think just because our situations have improved we no longer care about the problems we faced in the past, or the people we spoke to who may still be facing problems? Imagine if a cancer sufferer beat a cancer which most other sufferers didn't beat, they would be happy that they made it, but also aware that the problem could manifest itself again, and be sad for those still fighting, especially if the cancer was ignored in the public eye the same way male pattern baldness is.

"And don't bother answering that question because it was a rhetorical question."-What? No it wasn't.

"We all know why you come here.
You come here sniffing for hair loss information because you are not in great shape" -read above

"In other words, when you tried to promote the falsehood that you're in great shape that was you lying again. "- again, how can you deduct that from his post? Just trying to score points and be annoying.

"And hair is not a privilege because some people get to keep their hair their entire lives."-So? I get to live in a nice house, with food, warmth and shelter my entire life, it's still a privilege.
 

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There are some very interesting points here. Fred, it's interesting how you say that there is very little negative stigma about baldness in your own country. Here in the United States, it is very, very different. It's also interesting you say that you barely made the minimum requirement to attend a university. That surprises me since judging by your posts, you seem to be intelligent and articulate.

I disagree though when you say a woman who was sexually attracted to you when you had hair, will still be sexually attracted to you when you are bald. As we all know, hair loss does erode a man's attractiveness and can make a once-good-looking man simply look average or below average. I see it happen all the time, men who were once good-looking with hair, now look much older and uglier. And what woman will still have the same level of sexual attraction to a man whose looks have so significantly and negatively altered?

Ugly and average guys still manage to get laid, but usually with ugly and average women. Very few times do you see a great-looking woman with an ugly, bald guy (unless she is a gold-digger).
 

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Yesterday i was in the market place,there i saw a very strong handsome man with goggles coming to the shop(mechanical Vehicle shop where repairing of two wheelers was done),one girl was there was looking at him(she might liked his appearance),when he came out in mechanic shirt that girl just visually got uncomfortable and moved her face in different direction,i was just laughing that time..
this girl must be cursing herself for looking at him.
 

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Yesterday i was in the market place,there i saw a very strong handsome man with goggles coming to the shop(mechanical Vehicle shop where repairing of two wheelers was done),one girl was there was looking at him(she might liked his appearance),when he came out in mechanic shirt that girl just visually got uncomfortable and moved her face in different direction,i was just laughing that time..
this girl must be cursing herself for looking at him.

I know what you mean and can relate! (Despite the slight language barrier)
 

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I believe that looks are important in College/company because your base criteria is same(same education level.company,economic status),however in real world,look no matter how awesome you are is not enough,you have to be successful in personal life to get a girl.
 

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"And I don't sulk here. I just discuss my hair-related observations"-Yes, you do sulk, take a look at your post history.

"YOU sound personally wounded by the revelation that I was popular"-lol trying to spin the conversation to make him look like the one with the problem.

"I gather that even when you had your hair you didn't get to be a stud"-how could you come to that conclusion from his post? on the contrary, most of us felt great when we had hair, but the majority of guys here lose it when they're very young, 20s and in some cases like mine, start balding in teens, so we get less time to enjoy it.

"And if your restored hair line has you in great shape then what do you continue to come here? "-Because we care about hair loss still? Seriously you think just because our situations have improved we no longer care about the problems we faced in the past, or the people we spoke to who may still be facing problems? Imagine if a cancer sufferer beat a cancer which most other sufferers didn't beat, they would be happy that they made it, but also aware that the problem could manifest itself again, and be sad for those still fighting, especially if the cancer was ignored in the public eye the same way male pattern baldness is.

"And don't bother answering that question because it was a rhetorical question."-What? No it wasn't.

"We all know why you come here.
You come here sniffing for hair loss information because you are not in great shape" -read above

"In other words, when you tried to promote the falsehood that you're in great shape that was you lying again. "- again, how can you deduct that from his post? Just trying to score points and be annoying.

"And hair is not a privilege because some people get to keep their hair their entire lives."-So? I get to live in a nice house, with food, warmth and shelter my entire life, it's still a privilege.


None of the above quotes by me are stupid. Your reasoning for why my posts are stupid
(posted by yourself after each of my quotes) is itself stupid, subjective, debatable, and ultimately
biased. You've come to conclusions you want to come to, at the expense of other possible conclusions,
because you feel defensive, offended, & angry by my posit that balding young people, like yourself, do
not deserve special sympathy. You want & expect special sympathy because you're dealing with baldness
at a young age. I reject your reasoning for the biased, arguable, and incorrect stupidity that it is.

Before ending our discussion I want to be very clear that if there was only a treatment for
one person then I would use it for myself unless I had an immediate family member who needed it more
than I. But I would NOT give that one cure to a stranger just because he's younger than I am. The quality
of my life is just as important to me as the quality of his life is to him. Deal with it entitled whiner.

And now I'm done talking to you because you're just upset because you've lost your hair, you're young,
and you think you're ENTITLED to more sympathy for your hair loss because you're young. But you've
come across an older person who does not feel obliged to entitle your whiny entitled self. There's no
point in having a dialogue with a person who is biased and can't see past his bias.
 

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None of the above quotes by me are stupid. Your reasoning for why my posts are stupid
(posted by yourself after each of my quotes) is itself stupid, subjective, debatable, and ultimately
biased. You've come to conclusions you want to come to, at the expense of other possible conclusions,
because you feel defensive, offended, & angry by my posit that balding young people, like yourself, do
not deserve special sympathy. You want & expect special sympathy because you're dealing with baldness
at a young age. I reject your reasoning for the biased, arguable, and incorrect stupidity that it is.

Before ending our discussion I want to be very clear that if there was only a treatment for
one person then I would use it for myself unless I had an immediate family member who needed it more
than I. But I would NOT give that one cure to a stranger just because he's younger than I am. The quality
of my life is just as important to me as the quality of his life is to him. Deal with it entitled whiner.

And now I'm done talking to you because you're just upset because you've lost your hair, you're young,
and you think you're ENTITLED to more sympathy for your hair loss because you're young. But you've
come across an older person who does not feel obliged to entitle your whiny entitled self. There's no
point in having a dialogue with a person who is biased and can't see past his bias.

LOL what? I don't want you're sympathy and I'm not interested in your if's and decisions you'd make if you were able to (which you never could make thankfully). I, unlike you, am not bald, I am NW1.5 in one temple and NW2 in the other, worse comes to worse I will get a hair transplant and be smooth sailing, even more so if a permanent cure came out in the future. I doubt I'll need a hair transplant though as I am already seeing temporal regrowth on my current regimen. I'm guessing you don't respond to treatments or you're too scared to take them. Enjoy male pattern baldness and sulking plus reminiscing about your past.
 
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