Are the side effects estimations for Finastride accurate?

[SpaceFox]

Well, I've noticed that many on the internet are quick to jump on a bandwagon and complain about the dangers

But is this anywhere near or close to what the real life actual percentage of men is?

I've noticed they outweigh the ones who have had success, even though, I have seen both stories throughout the web.

I'm getting this sense that the men who say or have claimed it "completely ruined their lives" are sort of really neurotic to begin with, and many of the complaints are just them attributing or blaming the drug for everything...is this possible?

I suppose in all honesty, Finastride isn't really all that known or talked about that often still, so trying to get an idea from the internet isn't really the best idea or example to use.

But anyway, just curious what others think.

I'm still trying to decide a bit, but I finally found a doctor willing to prescribe! but now, I'm just on a waiting list.

I'm just getting this sense that maybe it's more then anything "poison" being peddled by the "evil pharmaceutical" companies, just to make a buck, when it doesn't actually do close or nearly what it's supposed to do.

To be fair, they still make Finastride is still pretty cheap, so it can't all just be a case of money.

 

[parisienne]

Hi,

Basically some will tell you it ruined their life forever..others will call the first ones pussies and say "go for it". I think that you shoud see finasteride as an educated risk and listen to your body the whole time without being paranoid. Every experience is different. Wishing you good luck

 

[buckthorn]

Well, I've noticed that many on the internet are quick to jump on a bandwagon and complain about the dangers

But is this anywhere near or close to what the real life actual percentage of men is?

I've noticed they outweigh the ones who have had success, even though, I have seen both stories throughout the web.

I'm getting this sense that the men who say or have claimed it "completely ruined their lives" are sort of really neurotic to begin with, and many of the complaints are just them attributing or blaming the drug for everything...is this possible?

I suppose in all honesty, Finastride isn't really all that known or talked about that often still, so trying to get an idea from the internet isn't really the best idea or example to use.

But anyway, just curious what others think.

I'm still trying to decide a bit, but I finally found a doctor willing to prescribe! but now, I'm just on a waiting list.

I'm just getting this sense that maybe it's more then anything "poison" being peddled by the "evil pharmaceutical" companies, just to make a buck, when it doesn't actually do close or nearly what it's supposed to do.

To be fair, they still make Finastride is still pretty cheap, so it can't all just be a case of money.

I don't think you should be too worried about sexual sides. You should be more worried about it f*cking destroying your hair forever. This seems to be a much more common side effect. :banned:

 

[SpaceFox]

To answer your question in short, no they aren't.

Read these recent threads on this topic, although the topic was how people who got PFS were treated but it steered off into Pro Propecia VS Against Propecia debate:

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interac...d-Truth-Talk-is-hypocritical-Here-s-why/page5

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/showthread.php/98018-Vincent777-is-right-I-concede

Also here's why statistics are not established:

[video=youtube;qG37eHJqCgI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG37eHJqCgI&feature=youtu.be&t=3m13s[/video]

The fact remains that you don't know if it will hit you, you don't know what statistical chance you have to contract PFS from using finasteride because there wasn't a study done and that it's basically a Russian roulette. Does the cylinder of the gun have 5, 20 or 2000 bullet slots with one slot loaded? Nobody can say. You're risking of getting irreversible side effects when taking propecia and if you're ok with that then great.No doubt there's guys that will take this stuff forever and never have an issue. The problem is you never know which side of the fence you're gonna land on.

Oh for god sakes. Yeah, I guess I'll just have to put up with losing hair and rely on toppik and my "hair-systems" or some crap.

Does anyone have any experience with the "hair systems" ?

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No offense to Vincent777 though, but you seem kind of biased and set on making it out to seem all negative.

That video by the doctor looks like the most comprehensive and reliable source of information regarding the likely hood of effects, though. 70-99-ish(?) is quite shocking.

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It's just that what makes me think it's a bit over stated or said is that the drug is given at a 1MG percent, and can that small amount of something that is not dangerous and has a chance of side effects really be that harmful or bad? there are people who take higher doses and you don't hear any serious or major complaints like this.

 

[buckthorn]

It's just that what makes me think it's a bit over stated or said is that the drug is given at a 1MG percent, and can that small amount of something that is not dangerous and has a chance of side effects really be that harmful or bad?

-(not fear mongering) Yes, it can be harmful for CERTAIN people. It doesn't matter the dosage, it matters the effect. 1mg drastically reduces serum DHT. You fill in the blanks. Don't get me wrong, I took it for a year. For some people it's an amazing drug. For other's it is not. Risk and reward. How your scales are balanced. You know the sayings. Is it very rare that you're going to have PERMANENT sexual DYSFUNCTION? It depends how you define dysfunction. Watery semen? probably a good chance. Limp d*ck? probably not permanently. lowered libido? pretty good chance. As you can see, my job is not to educate you, rather confuse the f*ck out of you.

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also 1mg is not a percent, it's a mg... 1mg of certain things will KILL you instantly!! wahahaha :uglylol:

 

[SpaceFox]

It's just that what makes me think it's a bit over stated or said is that the drug is given at a 1MG percent, and can that small amount of something that is not dangerous and has a chance of side effects really be that harmful or bad?

-(not fear mongering) Yes, it can be harmful for CERTAIN people. It doesn't matter the dosage, it matters the effect. 1mg drastically reduces serum DHT. You fill in the blanks. Don't get me wrong, I took it for a year. For some people it's an amazing drug. For other's it is not. Risk and reward. How your scales are balanced. You know the sayings. Is it very rare that you're going to have PERMANENT sexual DYSFUNCTION? It depends how you define dysfunction. Watery semen? probably a good chance. Limp d*ck? probably not permanently. lowered libido? pretty good chance. As you can see, my job is not to educate you, rather confuse the f*ck out of you.

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also 1mg is not a percent, it's a mg... 1mg of certain things will KILL you instantly!! wahahaha :uglylol:

Yes, well it's well known that it can cause side effects, and that there is a risk with taking it, but the focus on them seems kind of obsessive and extreme a bit.

I understand the feelings and the outrage, but it's been stated that there is a possibility for negative side effects...
I don't see the point of fear mongering to such an extent, lol

Yeah, but does anyone have any info on Anti-depressants?

The potential side effects are so acknowledged and known about here, I've never quite seen that with SSRI's as much.

Honestly, I've had extreme doubts about the pharmaceutical company in general, and am still suspicious that they made have caused me harm prior from taking AD's.

Unfortunately, there is not as much information out there as just to what the long term (and permanent) side effects could be from taking them, amongst other pharmaceutical poisons.

I already have had sexual issues, and persistent cognitive (mostly brain fog) since taking the damn things. I've been off of them for years, but still I wonder.

 

[buckthorn]

Yes, well it's well known that it can cause side effects, and that there is a risk with taking it, but the focus on them seems kind of obsessive and extreme a bit.

I understand the feelings and the outrage, but it's been stated that there is a possibility for negative side effects...
I don't see the point of fear mongering to such an extent, lol

Yeah, but does anyone have any info on Anti-depressants?

The potential side effects are so acknowledged and known about here, I've never quite seen that with SSRI's as much.

Honestly, I've had extreme doubts about the pharmaceutical company in general, and am still suspicious that they made have caused me harm prior from taking AD's.

Unfortunately, there is not as much information out there as just to what the long term (and permanent) side effects could be from taking them, amongst other pharmaceutical poisons.

Like I say in all my posts about finasteride without trying to fear monger - there NEEDS to be listed as a side effect - "Some users may notice a drastic and permanent increase in hair loss. The mechanism for this reaction is not yet evaluated or understood" or some crap like that. now THAT is the side effect that pisses most of us off on these forums.

 

[molybdenum]

I question the official side effect percentages, and question the opinions of those who feel "no side effects". I'm not sure how one would not notice a perceptible difference from decimating their most potent androgen.

 

[buckthorn]

I question the official side effect percentages, and question the opinions of those who feel "no side effects". I'm not sure how one would not notice a perceptible difference from decimating their most potent androgen.

I think finasteride is complete f*cking bullsh*t. (I am not a doctor or medical professional. I implicate this because I am sad and bitter)

 

[onglet]

I question the official side effect percentages, and question the opinions of those who feel "no side effects".

Apparently, the company that developed / produces finasteride has also "sponsored" a lot of these studies, so you can assume that a lot of them at least will lean in a certain direction.

 

[Norwood One]

They did under-report the incidence of sides. But I do believe PFS is overblown. One/ a few pills do not dramatically destroy your body forever.

But minor side effects are also under-reported. Go onto bodybuilding.com finasteride threads, which is just a random sample of otherwise healthy males. 2 out of 3 people will complain about low libido/sex drive issues. NOT PFS or impotence, but a reduction in libido and morning erections. For some that's bearable, for others, it's enough for them to stay away from finasteride all together.

 

[Norwood One]

I think the turning point was the small vocal minority and the lawsuits for PFS. That's when universities and research teams (independent to Merck) started looking into the side effect profile.

 

[M.G]

The amount of law suits against finasteride is about 20.000 I've read.

There's more than 1 million finasteride users.

But 20.000 of 1 million users is still 2%.

I definitely think that the actual side-effect-profile is higher than what's reported.

I'm guessing like maybe 10-20% for stuff like watery semen, less semen, lowered/higher libido etc. Stuff that over time can be hard to notice.

Though I believe really bad side-effects doesn't go over 5%.

I mean say what you want some of the studies not being done completely right, the fact is that they all still point to the same pattern, whether it's finasteride, dutasteride or 5 mg finasteride.

The internet is in no shape of form representative of what the reality is like.

Everyone must make their own decision and read up and consider whether the risks are worth it or not.

In my case, as a very badly balding 21-year old who have been balding since 11, the choice was not that hard.

However, if anything happens to me, I will have to accept it.

 

[Foxi]

2% 5 Years Studie
but after ten Years 50% the side effects worser all Years

 

[Swoop]

Here is a interesting poll from a national dutch hair loss forum. This was back in 2004, there was not as much hysteria surrounding finasteride back then.

Around 500 people that answered the poll;

The question was; side effects?

- 45,81% said they didn't notice anything.

- 31,58% said they did get side effects but they were not severe enough to discontinue the medication, so they continued.

- 22,61% said yes that´s why I stopped the medication

 

[Norwood One]

31+22 = 53% That's a bit on the high side, even though it wasn't a scientific poll.

 

[Swoop]

Yeah well only 22% really quit. The 31% is of people that noticed subtle side effects. Things like some loss of morning wood, no spontaneous erections, visual changes sperm etc. Back then there were almost no scaremongers.

It's not scientific indeed but still interesting.

 

[Dench57]

That's still a lot higher than the Merck studies would have you believe.

 

[Swoop]

That's still a lot higher than the Merck studies would have you believe.

Yeah I think the Merck studies are a bit on the low side regarding side effects.

However nobody in that topic out of 500 people complained about "permanent" side effects. And I personally think that is way more important. The chances of getting "pfs" are extremely low to non-existent imo.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

I hope to get back on finasteride once I solve my ED.

I was doing nofap prior to finasteride, but what finasteride did was it both reduced my sleep (only for 2 weeks), and raised my sex drive, which knocked out my nofap.