Arginin /Lysine/Orthinine...the facts

[Guest]

Hi I am new here, my first post.

I read below the thread about Arginine and it's interaction with Lysine.

Firstly Arginnine and Lysine do not 'cancel' each other out!

The two do compete for entrance to the brain through the blood brain barrier, this can easily be avoided by using Arginine PYROGLUTAMATE instead of plain 'ol Arginine, (Arginine polyglutamate does not compete with arginine)

Think about a grid with 9 holes and 18 balls, sure they all can't fit on but they certainly don't 'cancel' each other out.

The use of Lysine is in fact known to boost Arginines action.

Always try to use the L-version of an amino acid like L-Lysine or L-Arginine as opposed to Lysine or Arginine, the L pre-fix denotes the natural unsynthesised version which is more bio-avaliable.

It is best to take the majority of amino acids on an empty stomach (before bed is good), with just a glass of water, this is true of the above.

Ornithine is twice as effective as Arginine (as a growth hormone stimulator) but alas twice as expensive but it does not compete with Lysine, this is best used in a 'satck' with Lysine, Arginine.

Now some questions :freaked2:

If I rub my minoxidil in to my head say at 10.00 am and 10.00pm could I take a bath/shower at say 6.00pm, is the minoxidil fully absorbed into the scalp by then, or would I be washing some stuff off ?

Is using 0.5mg (as opposed to 2.5mg) of dutasteride more effective than using 1.25mg of propecia ?


cheers for any help in advance

If you have got any Amino-Acid questions I will be pleased to answer them.


Ty

 

[nikeaddict]

minoxidil takes 2-4 hours to absorb, theres a good guide on the rogaine website with lots of questions answered. so 6 would be more than enough time for that.

 

[maddoc23]

Ty,

How would you overcome the competition (thus the canceling affect) between the uptake of Arginine and Lysine in the gastrointestinal lumenal epithelium cells, since the amino acid transporter transfers similar AAs and thus will become saturated quickly, resulting in a loss of proportioned amino acid uptake?

D

 

[Guest]

er.....

get up early?

or

try staggering your amino acids.

or

the old 'syringe in the brain' method.

When I said have you got any questions I was thinkng more along the lines of "how do you spell 'nitric oxide'", what are you an endocrinologist? :freaked:

Ty

 

[Lizzad]

If I rub my minoxidil in to my head say at 10.00 am and 10.00pm could I take a bath/shower at say 6.00pm, is the minoxidil fully absorbed into the scalp by then, or would I be washing some stuff off ?

It will be fully absorbed.

Is using 0.5mg (as opposed to 2.5mg) of dutasteride more effective than using 1.25mg of propecia ?

As for as i know, yes

How would you overcome the competition (thus the canceling affect) between the uptake of Arginine and Lysine in the gastrointestinal lumenal epithelium cells, since the amino acid transporter transfers similar AAs and thus will become saturated quickly, resulting in a loss of proportioned amino acid uptake?

Called your bluff there huh! :laugh:

 

[rahezy]

Here's a newbie question for you. What does arginine and lysine help with in terms of male pattern baldness and overall?

 

[Guest]

rehezy

they have been found to influence the pituitary gland into releasing growth hormone.

dose and time taken is important in the respect of GH release.

resitance exercises also causes a similar GH release.

Lee

 

[RalphyWiggum]

Hi I am new here, my first post.

I read below the thread about Arginine and it's interaction with Lysine.

Firstly Arginnine and Lysine do not 'cancel' each other out!

The two do compete for entrance to the brain through the blood brain barrier, this can easily be avoided by using Arginine PYROGLUTAMATE instead of plain 'ol Arginine, (Arginine polyglutamate does not compete with arginine)

Think about a grid with 9 holes and 18 balls, sure they all can't fit on but they certainly don't 'cancel' each other out.

The use of Lysine is in fact known to boost Arginines action.

Always try to use the L-version of an amino acid like L-Lysine or L-Arginine as opposed to Lysine or Arginine, the L pre-fix denotes the natural unsynthesised version which is more bio-avaliable.

It is best to take the majority of amino acids on an empty stomach (before bed is good), with just a glass of water, this is true of the above.

Ornithine is twice as effective as Arginine (as a growth hormone stimulator) but alas twice as expensive but it does not compete with Lysine, this is best used in a 'satck' with Lysine, Arginine.

Now some questions :freaked2:

If I rub my minoxidil in to my head say at 10.00 am and 10.00pm could I take a bath/shower at say 6.00pm, is the minoxidil fully absorbed into the scalp by then, or would I be washing some stuff off ?

Is using 0.5mg (as opposed to 2.5mg) of dutasteride more effective than using 1.25mg of propecia ?


cheers for any help in advance

If you have got any Amino-Acid questions I will be pleased to answer them.


Ty

Very good points TynanW!

But the only problem here is that most of us use arginine for the purposes of stimulating the production of Nitric Oxide. Now I'm not entirely convinced that arginine does in fact help up the production of NO since it only a precursor to NO and citrulline. If you or anyone else has any info on the NO pathway and the implications of NO production via arginine please enlighten me!

Any how there is a misconception on this board that using arinine is the same thing as v****. This is not true IMHO. Seeings how the two work in completely different ways it is doubtful that arginine is benefical UNLESS it helps produce more NO.

The reason for this is that v**** inhibits phosphodiesterase these upregulating the amount of cyclic GMP in cells thus after a casade of kinase events you blood vessel in your penis relax.

 

[Redbone]

Tynan what do you know about super nitric oxide reducers like N02 by pinnacle and N03 by universal and oxydrene by Klein Becker. These are purported to release huge amounts of Nitric oxide so much infact that your muscles including your dick are pumped 24 hours a day. To get the same effect with strait Arginine you would need 15-20 grams.

The active ingrediant in these new body building supps is Arginine AlphaKetogluterate 6000mg a day for optimum results.

As for Arginine being like v**** mr. Wiggum, I dont think so, but it does give you stamina, greater firmness and hug loads. Try 3g a day and let me know how it worked for you. I love the stuff, but my girlfriend doesn't, ha ha.....

 

[rahezy]

I am only taking Nizoral right know before I speak to my derm to see if I need any of the big two. So I'd be alright if I took L-arginine alone right? It sems like it has many benefits.

 

[Redbone]

Sure, I lift 4x a week and if It don't help for hair it cant hurt for lifiting. No side effects.

 

[unicron73]

tyan - thanks for the information, is there something online that you got this from?

curious, one post after you mentioned maybe staggering the time of ingestion..any comment?

so - who is up for a lysine shake??

 

[Guest]

info is from various books I have.

My comment about staggering was to get around the fact that certain Amino Acids compete for entrance to the blood brain barrier, specifically L-Arginine and L-Lysine, this can also be solved by using L-Arginine Pyroglutamate as this form of Arginine does not 'compete' with Lysine.

The time between taking these two amino acids would have to be enough to allow the first to be completely ingested.

Quite how long this is I don't know, but if you took your lysine in the morning (on an empty stomach) and your Arginine (on an empty stomach) later on in the day or evening you should be fine.

When they say 'on an empty stomach' I make sure I have not eaten for 1.5 hours and am not going to eat for another hour, I think this is a good interpretation of 'on an empty stomach'.

Also it is advised to always take anti-oxidants with Arginine, I am not sure why, I am trying to find out as different anti-oxidants work in different tissues and parts of the body and I would like to known what kind of anit-oxidant to take....

I will post an update if I unearth any more information.

Recipe for Lysine shake:

2g of L-Lysine
8oz of water
Blend to a grey paste

and....er...enjoy?


Ty :freaked2: :freaked2: :freaked2: :freaked2: :freaked2: :freaked2:

 

[Redbone]

Tynan it also says people with Psychosis shouldn't take it what the F**k does that mean, will it make me a Psycho?

 

[Guest]

"...........Tynan it also says people with Psychosis shouldn't take it what the F**k does that mean, will it make me a Psycho........."

People with CERTAIN phycosis may find the condition can worsen on Arginine.

I am sure this is fairly rare but I haven't got time to find out why as I am just getting ready to do a random killing.

Ty