Black seed oil

[Mothman]

For over 3000 years, Black Seed has been revered by people from cultures around the world for its amazing power to heal and strengthen the body.

Also known as the "Blessed Seed", Black Seed has been recommended in religious scriptures and was well-known in Ancient Egyptian, Roman and Greek medicine. It is an important herb in Ayurvedic and Middle Eastern treatments. Traditional uses for Black Seed are numerous and range from digestive complaints and skin problems to asthma and infertility.

In the last few decades, Black Seed has been the focus of numerous scientific and medical studies. The results have far surpassed expectations. Black Seed oil is rich in essential fatty acids, minerals and vitamins. An array of over 100 active components act in a unique synergy to strengthen and enhance the body, primarily through the immune system but also through the digestive, circulatory, respiratory and hormonal systems as well.

 

[rwhairlosstalk]

if you're talking black current seed oil i was just looking it up as it has gla which is against dht. gla and epa were shown in a study to down grade the androgen receptors so that helps against dht. i'm thinking of adding this to my regi. Let me kn ow if you do.

has anyone else had any success with a gla supplement like evening primrose oil, black current seed oil and omega 3 curbing shedding?

 

[Bryan]

if you're talking black current seed oil i was just looking it up as it has gla which is against dht. gla and epa were shown in a study to down grade the androgen receptors so that helps against dht. i'm thinking of adding this to my regi. Let me kn ow if you do.

GLA from natural oils (black currant oil, evening primrose oil, borage oil, etc.) doesn't have any effect on DHT. To get GLA (which, by the way, is gamma-linolenic acid) to do that, you have to get it from a chemical company; they're the only ones who know how to get GLA into its chemically "free" form.

 

[rwhairlosstalk]

I wonder about that. Because I know someone who was having dht hair loss issues through a thyroid problem. She said when she took large amounts of Borage Oil (high gla) and pumpkin seed oil, she experienced less hair loss. And we all know keeping hair is the 1st defense because it's darn sure hard to get it back.

 

[LawOfThelema]

it could be operating via other mechanisms than interfering with the activity of the enzyme 5ar. dht itself isnt causing you to lose hair. it is causing a mutated gene to be expressed which is initiating the follicle to miniaturize. you can regard it as the first domino along the chain that gets it going, tho the causal processes in the body are better understood as a web or network rather than a domino chain form of causation. doesnt mean you cant throw a monkey wrench into the process even if you arent stopping the thing which is turning on the process. there are numerous biologic factors involved in that miniaturization. it is entirely possible that the GLA interacts with that process. similarly minoxidil doesnt block DHT, yet it still has an effect on the process of hair loss. put it on your dome for a few months and come back and tell us if it affected your hair. dont wait around for the establishment to fund a study where they put borage oil on mens heads to test its effect. borage oil is a traditional easily obtainable ingredient which doesnt require any patenting. its cheap enough that you have no excuse to not try it. people have reported benefits from oil mixes involving sources of GLA.

see for instance the pics posted in this thread: http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/t7517p90-injury-bald-scalp-hair-re-growth-explain

 

[Bryan]

I wonder about that. Because I know someone who was having dht hair loss issues through a thyroid problem. She said when she took large amounts of Borage Oil (high gla) and pumpkin seed oil, she experienced less hair loss...

I doubt that it had anything to do with DHT. Maybe she was having a purely nutritional problem of some sort which was helped by the borage and pumpkin seed oils.

 

[LawOfThelema]

Bryan, isn't there an over expression of prostaglandin d2 in balding scalp? Doesnt minoxidil function to upregulate prostaglandin e2? Aren't prostaglandins mediators of inflammatory processes? arent omega fatty acids precursors to prostaglandins? It would seem this is the mechanism of action a modulation of the prostaglandins rather than addressing "nutritional deficiency" per se. And it would seem their esterfication doesnt matter with regards to this since we get them from dietary sources and they have their effect nonetheless. Or are you drinking free form alpha linoleic acid / GLA / et al for their protective effects from the chemical company

 

[Bryan]

All I know about "prostaglandins" and inflammation causing hair loss is (like everybody else) from the little bit I've read on hairloss forums. Maybe in coming years, we'll hear more about it. In the meantime, if you want to use topical fatty acids strictly as 5a-reductase inhibitors, you'll have to use free-form fatty acids for that. Fatty acids from nutritional sources just won't work for that purpose.

 

[Jacob]

it could be operating via other mechanisms than interfering with the activity of the enzyme 5ar. dht itself isnt causing you to lose hair. it is causing a mutated gene to be expressed which is initiating the follicle to miniaturize. you can regard it as the first domino along the chain that gets it going, tho the causal processes in the body are better understood as a web or network rather than a domino chain form of causation. doesnt mean you cant throw a monkey wrench into the process even if you arent stopping the thing which is turning on the process. there are numerous biologic factors involved in that miniaturization. it is entirely possible that the GLA interacts with that process. similarly minoxidil doesnt block DHT, yet it still has an effect on the process of hair loss. put it on your dome for a few months and come back and tell us if it affected your hair. dont wait around for the establishment to fund a study where they put borage oil on mens heads to test its effect. borage oil is a traditional easily obtainable ingredient which doesnt require any patenting. its cheap enough that you have no excuse to not try it. people have reported benefits from oil mixes involving sources of GLA.

see for instance the pics posted in this thread: http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/t7517p90-injury-bald-scalp-hair-re-growth-explain

I thought those were going to be real pictures from IH himself. :wow:

 

[LawOfThelema]

lol. he has pictures up on his site. diffused norwood 2. seems to have held it for a good number of years on his approach.

 

[Jacob]

lol. he has pictures up on his site. diffused norwood 2. seems to have held it for a good number of years on his approach.

Anyone else posting those pictures would be laughed out of these forums. Especially from someone who for years and years claimed how things could never be better hair-wise..pretending to be some hair loss guru...pushing things, and as predicted- eventually selling things.

There are also no recent pictures..there are no overhead/crown shots(care to ask him for some?)..and in the videos(I'm not the only one to point this out) there's a convenient nice bright light blasting into the room behind him.

 

[LawOfThelema]

i dont care to ask him for crown shots. i already pretty vociferously disagree with some of his claims in my posts over on his forums. i dont want to be a complete contentious prick since i do attribute his site to my learning experience. as you say his hair doesnt really look spectacular, but ive seen far worse progressions. i think hes in his mid 30s. if he held ground and prevented further loss over several years then its something, but he didnt see any regrowth, at least not by comparing those pictures. you can see with the bright light behind that his hair is still pretty diffusely thinned. but its what you expect from a theory and practice that doesnt address or denies the importance of the androgenic nature of male pattern baldness. i want to get them to at least cede that DHT coupled with an overexpressed androgen receptor is the primum movens or initial cause of androgenetic alopecia but i dont really see it happening. lol

a problem at that site is the willingful conflation of different hair loss types. guy just posted a link to some researcher who "thickened his hair" on an all meat diet from the 20s. But when you look at his pictures it was evident that he always was a norwood 0, and that by the time he was of advaced age he was a norwood 1.5 at the worst. Yeah like that proves anything. Its this type of grasping at straws and reliance on single isolated cased where there is no data if the person who "cured their hair loss" ever even had Androgenetic Alopecia in the first place which has me increasingly doubting the role of lifestyle as any component larger than 10 to 15% in Androgenetic Alopecia if that. some studies have found for example in identical twins that smoking and drinking regularly were risk factors in the accelerated progression of Androgenetic Alopecia but genetic factors still overhwhelmingly dominated.

there is something to be gained by ooking at biological factors downstream of DHT initializing the biological processes that cause the actual miniaturization to occur, but there is so many factors that any individual one is going to be very diffusive. you can not account for how they all interact, and how they feedback to one another. the most promising approaches dont address them supplementally or ad hoc but intervene at the more basic level of biology with stem cells and derived factors.

i dont doubt that taking a kitchen sink full of supplments could affect the hair somewhat or could have some effect on those factors that are brought into play once DHT gets the whole thing going, but I don't think anyone has ever seen spectacular results doing that compared to simply stopping the initial cause. There is some value to his site, because he does post some obscure findings which have at least some relevance.

I try to be as open minded and objective as possible.

 

[Jacob]

If you had been around since the beginning..you'd know what I was referring to. The way he talked you'd think he'd found the cure..each time he came across something "new" or tried something new(I see a recent post there on E cava- back in the days it was proclaimed the best thing one could take for hair loss(by him) before it was ever tried. The study or whatever he now cites- is with the TOPICAL use of it 8O). Then there's the plagiarizing...the forum(Regrowth) hijack...those guys trying to take things over- as they did at HLF....on and on. I posted recently about the topical(does IH talk about using it? It shouldn't be needed for him lol..) and how a poster was shot down for saying he didn't notice any regrowth. They saying there's nothing in it that should make anyone think it's for regrowth. And yet the video and description talk about just that.


I don't see the big deal about asking him for a crown shot btw..and other better pictures. He's the one proclaiming to have the answers. To have solved the problem..with each changing regimen. And now making money off of it. But as I said some time ago..when/if he does produce such pictures/evidence finally...the transplant will look nice.....everything nicely healed and all.

 

[LawOfThelema]

lol, yeah i saw one joke about OMG selling laser helmets to fund his high quality hair transplants!

i think there is something to lasering but that was still a hilarious comment to read.

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hey clear you PM box wanna send you something, jacob

 

[Jacob]

I swear if he hadn't mentioned the transplants prior to getting into selling stuff...we never would have heard about it. Just so many things about those guys...

 

[hairregrowth21]

Any ideas on where to get free-form fatty acids?

I just got a bottle of organic black seed oil and was sick today. I took two teaspoons and felt significantly better within a few hours. I am going to be adding a little to shampoo and my essential oil mix.

Did anyone keep up with this?

 

[Jacob]

A chemical company. If you mean a natural forum..that flower pollen extraxt(s) contains it. Swanson has a combo: http://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-ultra-max-strength-graminex-flower-pollen-ext-500-mg-60-caps

More info on it: http://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/showthread.php/53126-Fat-soluble-pollen-extract-high-in-FFFA-s

 

[hairregrowth21]

Thank you- have you had any success with it? Thoughts on incorporating it with dermarolling?

 

[Jacob]

No, never used it..'cept in a combo once as a supplement. I noticed they now have that NAX paste form in softgels: http://www.graminex.com/previa.php Amazon is one place that carries it. Looks like the only other ingred is flaxseed oil...wonder how that would work topically....

More on the NAX: http://www.naturalproductsinsider.com/news/2010/09/graminex-nax-holds-anti-microbial-properties.aspx

 

[Argan]

For over 3000 years, Black Seed has been revered by people from cultures around the world for its amazing power to heal and strengthen the body.

Also known as the "Blessed Seed", Black Seed has been recommended in religious scriptures and was well-known in Ancient Egyptian, Roman and Greek medicine. It is an important herb in Ayurvedic and Middle Eastern treatments. Traditional uses for Black Seed are numerous and range from digestive complaints and skin problems to asthma and infertility.

In the last few decades, Black Seed has been the focus of numerous scientific and medical studies. The results have far surpassed expectations. Black Seed oil is rich in essential fatty acids, minerals and vitamins. An array of over 100 active components act in a unique synergy to strengthen and enhance the body, primarily through the immune system but also through the digestive, circulatory, respiratory and hormonal systems as well.

Did you use any of this oil, what were the results?