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Bryan: Estrogen- Friend or Foe?

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Bryan,

I was googling around today and found this link:

I'm wondering what you and other guys on here think about it.Basically he advocates reducing estrogen with an aromatase inhibitor. He wants more testosterone in his body and almost no estrogen and dht.

But eveyrthing i've read on here says that testosterone can be bad for the follicles and nothing about estrogen.s till he had some sources at the bottom and it sounded interesting so i decided to post it to get thoughts. he advocates taking proscar 5 mg per day along with an aromatase inhibitor:

"Finally, the moment you’ve all been waiting for. Drum roll, please... you have to take an aromatase inhibitor (Cytadren or Arimidex) with a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor (Proscar)! By taking both drugs together, you’ll keep testosterone up at all times (not to mention other body parts also) because it can’t convert to estrogen or DHT. Don’t forget to also take the Saw Palmetto because it "blocks" estrogen and DHT at the receptor sites. Now you have a lethal combo: inhibitors with blockers (good triumphs over evil once again!).

http://www.anagen.net/ar1.htm

"Right off the bat, most of you will say, "friend." Hell, why not. We’d all like our women to have more estrogen (female hormone) than testosterone (male hormone), that’s what gives them those beautiful curves, soft skin and great breasts. As far as the whole "hair" thing is concerned, most are familiar with the fact that giving estrogen to a balding man will in most cases, stop the reseeding hair line. So, it seems that estrogen is a good guy, or should I say, "gal".

Well, I’m sorry to break the bad news to you, but estrogen is our enemy. On the outside it looks deceivingly pretty, the kind of hormone you bring home to mom. But underneath the disguise is a cheap hooker who carries the "virus" (not HIV, but the "balding" virus). OK, so I’m getting a bit dramatic, but sit up straight and pay attention, because I’m going to tell you how you can not only stop your receding hair line and actually grow hair, but how you can decrease fat, put on muscle and increase your sex drive all at the same time!!!

Before we get to the good stuff, I’m going to have to get a bit technical. It may get boring, but I’ll try to keep you awake. What ever you do, DON’T SKIP THIS SECTION!

Estrogen is the so called "female" hormone. Technically speaking, "estrogen" is a general term: there are two distinct types (in both women and men). The primary and most potent type in women is estradiol which is produced mostly in the ovaries from progesterone. The other weaker estrogen is estrone, converted from an adrenal androgen called androstenedione. Are you still awake......because here comes the important stuff. In the male body, all the estrogen (specifically, estradiol) is made from an enzyme called "aromatase". The more aromatase you have the more estrogen you have. In fact, as the male body ages, his estrogen levels keep rising because the aromatase enzyme increases.

As estrogen rises, the hypothalamus senses this and stops the production of gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH), luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH). (NO, FSH has nothing to do with "hair" follicle stimulation. It has to do with sperm production). A decrease production of the above three hormones, indirectly decreases the production of testosterone by signaling your testes to close down shop {2,3,} (in some instances, your testicle will actually shrink in size due to lack of use!). As estrogen increases and testosterone decreases, many men become prone to gynocomastia. Gynocomastia (or "b**ch tits" to the bodybuilding community) is the swelling of breast tissue in the male body. In fact, up to 50% of all adolescent boys experience transitory swelling of the breast area (right underneath the nipple) from the sudden spurt of testosterone (and subsequent conversion to estrogen). In most boys, their nipples return back to normal after a year or so. Many years later, after your mid-life crisis, gynocomastia once again pops up (or out). That’s why you see lots of old guys with droopy chests, it has nothing to do with gravity, it has to do with the increase in estrogen due to aromatase. One last thing, estrogen closes the growing ends of the long bones{8}, signaling these bones to stop growing longer. That’s why women are shorter than men!

Ok, so what the hell does all this mean!?!? Well, what is one of the typical stereo types with "bald guys"? They are usually "short, fat, hairy and bald"! We just saw that the "shortness" is caused by estrogen and so is the fat accumulation. (Yes, I know, there are exceptions to everything, but these are generalities, so bare with me.) And, I’ve also noticed that most of these "short, fat, hairy, bald guys" also have some form of gynocomastia. Are you still with me.....? Also, as we get older, we become fatter, hairier and balder---even though the aging man’s testosterone decreases year after year (but remember, the estrogen keeps RISING year after year!). I have also observed that the less hairy you are, the more muscular you are. This is because of a few factors. Balding guys usually have higher levels of Dihydortestosterone (DHT is not anabolic to muscle tissue) and estrogen (which is very anabolic to FAT tissue). And don’t forget, higher levels of DHT and estrogen, equal lower levels of muscle building testosterone! Lastly, even though women only have a fraction of the total androgen levels of men ("androgens" are all the male hormones), a "hair raising" 50% of it is DHT. That’s why female athletes (and even some super models, believe it or not!) who take even the smallest amount of anabolic hormones, will instantly become hairy and start the balding process.

Lets summarize my thoughts: I think that estrogen potentiates all the negative effects of testosterone’s evil twin, DHT, while decreasing all the positive effects of testosterone!! My solution—reduce the estrogen. This will not only grow hair back, but by decreasing the estrogen, testosterone increases (remember?). This will in turn increase your muscle mass, decrease your body fat and shoot up your sex drive! Did my hypothesis work? You bet it did!!!!

About six months ago, I proposed this idea to one of my doctor friends. Even though he is also balding, he said that I was crazy. He said that if anything happens, I’d probably speed up the whole balding process! I said fine, but asked him to write me a script for an aromatase inhibitor anyways. Both our theories sounded great, but I thought my sounded better so I gave it a try. I took a drug called Cytadren. With out getting into the whole pharmacology of the drug, a dose of 250 mg. will reduce the estrogen in the body. Great, so I took one tablet at bed time. I kid you not, but a month later I was getting so much head hair growth I was shocked. Granted, I was no "Chia Pet", but I was growing hair where I forgot I ever even had any. It wasn’t baby fine either, it was pretty thick (yet still not as thick as the sides of my hair). As expected, my sex drive did increase (only a little) and my body hair decreased (by about 30%). I stayed on it for another month before reporting back to my doctor friend. At the end of two months, it looked like I would have a full head of hair within a year—it was growing that fast!!!

So, I phoned the doctor, told him of my amazing discoveries and he decide to also give it a go. By the third month though, the hair growth slowed down tremendously. Don’t get me wrong, I was still growing better than any other drug I had ever taken; but it had slowed down. About a month later, the doctor called me and said that it was working so well, that he’s thinking of opening up a clinic for hair growth just using this one simple drug. But I had to break the bad news to him and told him that the growth does slow down (but it never stopped—even now, after six months of use). To test out my theory even more, he got off the Cytadren and began taking a very new and much more powerful aromatase inhibitor, Arimidex. He took a super high dose, and after a week he said that his facial hair almost stopped growing and his head hair began growing really well.

But, he couldn’t think clearly and his sex drive was non-existing! So he got off and everything returned to normal a couple days later. You see, everything has to be in moderation. Estrogen occurs naturally in men, and it’s there for some very good reasons. Many areas in the brain have estrogen receptors which regulate intelligence and mood. Estrogen also effects the sex drive{1,} (in good and bad ways) and maintains desirable levels of the high-density lipoprotein{2,} (HDL—the "good" cholesterol). So our male balancing act is this: we’d like to minimize estrogen, just enough to increase testosterone and avoid gynocomastia, all the while maintaining our libidos and HDL levels.

So our male balancing act is this: we’d like to minimize estrogen, just enough to increase testosterone and avoid gynocomastia, all the while maintaining our libidos and HDL levels. The solution is easy and simple, but yet very complicated in some ways. If you don’t do it right, you’ll actually have a lot more problems on your hands (and head)! I’ll reveal the SECRET combo in the next newsletter, but I won’t leave you empty handed (that would be much too crass, even for me). In the mean time, take 320-640 mgs. of saw palmetto extract. Make sure that it is the extract kind and not the dry powder. The label should say "85-95% standardized extract". Take it with food and split the dose—one in the morning and the other half at night. Never take below 320 mgs., it’ll just be a waste. Some come with "pygeum extract" which potentiates the effects of the saw palmetto. If you can afford it take it (it couldn’t hurt), but if it becomes too costly, just take the saw palmetto by it self. Basically, the saw palmetto "blocks" (but does not inhibit) BOTH estrogen and DHT. It’s cheap and easy to get, so don’t forget to take it. Be optimistic cause there is hope, lots of it!



Estrogen: Friend or Foe? Part II

HAIR: THE ULTIMATE FRONTIER

It’s 3:23 A.M. here in Los Angeles (don’t ask why the hell I’m up so damn early) as I’m beginning to write the second part of my "Estrogen: Friend or Foe" article and I don’t know where to begin writing. Do I begin by doing a quick summary of my last article for those people who haven’t read it yet......or do I just jump right in with the cliff hanger "secret combo" for hair growth......or should I begin with my "new" revelation for hair growth......or how about I start off with a real funny joke to get things going?

Well, here it goes. There is nothing to joke about when it comes to hair loss, if you didn’t read my last article—then screw you, and my "secret combo" or new "hair revelation" can wait. I want to talk about me! I’m really upset because this month I lost a lot of hair!!! I haven’t been losing this much hair for a very long time. In fact, I was losing so much hair that I was panic stricken for a while.

But one good thing came out of my misery....I found out what was causing the hair loss—and I fixed it! Do you want to know what it is? Well, I think I’ll save it for later, but I’ll give you a hint: it’s something any one can buy, it’s found in any drug store, super market, Wal-Mart, Target or Price Club type of store and it’ll probably cost you less than $5 a month to use!

A QUICK SUMMARY

OK, so where did I leave off in my last article? Oh yeah, basically I said that estrogen sucks! I told you that you needed to take an aromatase inhibitor (a drug that decreases estrogen production in the body), but if you took it by itself or at a wrong dose, you’d actually lose more hair and also lose your sex drive (life just can’t get any worse than that, a bald guy who can’t get it "up"). In the mean time, I suggested for you to take an herb called Saw Palmetto extract until I revealed my "secret combo" to you.

Have you been taking your Saw Palmetto? Are you ready to grow hair? Are you ready to lose some body fat and grow some muscle? Here comes what you’ve been waiting for... actually, I’ve got one last thing to say. Read the rest of the article carefully, because even though I won’t really get too scientific, it’ll still get a bit confusing at times.

BALANCING THE SCALE

I want you to picture a scale. On the right side sits Dihydrotestosterone (DHT)--testosterone’s evil twin brother who’s a "bad boy" with tattoo’s everywhere and smokes a pack of cigarettes every hour (off course, he still gets all the chicks). On the left side sits Estrogen—testosterone’s ex-girl friend who he caught cheating with his twin brother, DHT (as usual, the nice guy loses!).

As a reminder, testosterone can convert to either DHT by an enzyme called 5-alpha reductase, or to estrogen by an enzyme called aromatase. So, now you have one of the aromatase inhibitor drugs in your hand (either Cytadren or Arimidex) and you’ve decide to take it. What happens?

As you inhibit estrogen, testosterone begins to rise—that’s a good thing. Now you have low estrogen and high testosterone, but don’t forget, testosterone can also convert to DHT. Here is the bad news, you have so much more testosterone now (because of estrogen inhibition) that all the extra testosterone converts to DHT!! Now you have more DHT than ever before—which is bad (unless you’re doing a "Mr. Clean" commercial)!

Did you see what happened to the scale? Estrogen went down and DHT went up—not good. By the way, this "scale" system is why Proscar (or the "new" balding drug, Propecia) can cause impotence or lowered sex drive for some people who take it. If you take Proscar (a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor), your DHT decreases and your testosterone increase—but only temporarily because all the extra new testosterone now converts to estrogen (by aromatase). And don’t forget, as I said in my last article, estrogen will send a message to your testicles to shut down the production of testosterone and hence... lowered sex drive and impotency!!! [On a side note: Proscar also inhibits the production of an amino acid called l-arginine which produces nitric oxide which is needed for erections. If you’re taking Proscar you should also supplement your diet with extra l-arginine).

THE "SECRET" COMBO

Finally, the moment you’ve all been waiting for. Drum roll, please... you have to take an aromatase inhibitor (Cytadren or Arimidex) with a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor (Proscar)! By taking both drugs together, you’ll keep testosterone up at all times (not to mention other body parts also) because it can’t convert to estrogen or DHT. Don’t forget to also take the Saw Palmetto because it "blocks" estrogen and DHT at the receptor sites. Now you have a lethal combo: inhibitors with blockers (good triumphs over evil once again!).

How much should you take? If you’ve got some big balls (and you will after this stack) take 250mgs of Cytadren every 12 hours (basically it’s one tablet twice daily) and take 5mgs (one tablet) of Proscar once a day. If you want to save your money, just take one (1) tablet of Cytadren at night with half (1/2) tablet of Proscar daily. For those of you wanting to take the Arimidex instead of the Cytadren, take only half (1/2) tablet, every-other-day. The Arimidex is very strong, so taking quarter (1/4) tablet every-other-day may also work just fine. This is a very new drug, so I don’t have as much feedback on it yet. Remember, you don’t want to completely shut off your estrogen levels, just lower them!

There you have it. I’m not going to promise you a "Chia head" scalp in time for the new year, but this will definitely reduce and probably stop hair loss, and even grow hair for most people. You must be patient though because you are reversing hormonal damage that began when you hit puberty. It’s going to take time (especially for those who have been losing their hair for a while), but it will happen!

Do me a favor please. Pay attention to your body while using these medications and take some notes for me. Your head hair should increase, body hair decrease, sex drive increase, and fat decrease. Maybe we can do a quick survey later and see what happened and how long it took to happen and we’ll give you the feedback on it. I think you’ll be very excited with the results because I already have been receiving positive feedback from others.

THE "MYSTERY" PRODUCT

Oh, yeah—I almost forgot about the mystery "$5 hair growing product"..... Actually, it’s no mystery, it’s good old generic 2% Minoxidil. But the reason I mention it is because it needs more credit than it’s been getting lately. The way I use it 2ml, 2-3 times a day! It may be sound like a lot, but for only $5 a bottle (at Price Club or Costco) you just can’t beat it.

One thing you have to understand about Minoxidil is that the drug is "dose dependent." This means that the more you take it, the better the results (and side-effects too). Ok, so how can we up the "dose"? Well, some of you may just buy the 5% solution.....some of you may just take the 2% solution more often.....and some of you may actually combine both methods! Of course, I always like to take the easiest, most productive and least inexpensive route to success: oral Minoxidil!!!!

Oral Minoxidil will grow more hair than any topical Minoxidil in the world! But you’ll grow it all over your body too (not cool!)!! Granted, if your already a hairy dude, then don’t worry about. Just go to your doctor and request an Rx for it. Oral Minoxidil is used for high blood pressure—so it’s not a weird Rx for a doctor to fill out. When your asking for your Proscar-Cytadren cocktail at the doctors office, just ask him to throw in a few drops of Minoxidil for good measure—but make sure your cocktail is shaken, not stirred (all right...that one sucked, but it’s been a long day so cut me some slack).

Sam A.

1) C.J. Bagatel, J.R. Heiman, J.E. Rivier, and W.J. Bremner, "Effects of Endogenous Testoserone and Estradiol on Sexual Behavior in Normal Young Men," Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism 78.3 (1994):

711-716.

2) C.J. Bagatel, J.R. Heiman, J.E. Rivier, and W.J. Bremner, "Physiological

Levels of Estradiol Stimulate Plasma High Density Lipoprotein Cholesterol Levels in Normal Men," Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism 78.4 (1994) 855-861.

3) A. Morishima, M.M. Grumbach, E.R. Simpson, C. Fisher, and K. Oin,

"Aromatase Deficiency in Male and Female Siblings Caused by a Novel Mutation and the Physiological Role of Estrogen," Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism 80.12 (1995): 3689-3698."
 

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Summarizing,

testosterone can be turned into estrogen or DHT. When we stop DHT production, the excess testosterone is turned to estrogen. Estrogen is only good at the right amount, not too much, not too little. How does estrogen cause hair loss again?

I'd rather take dutasteride than proscar.

Cytadren 250mg once or twice a day, or Arimidex 1/2 or 1/4 tablet EOD blocks the conversion of testosterone to estrogen to an extent. Not too much, but enough to counter the estra testosterone getting converted to estrogen which balding men have. I wonder if http://www.unitedpharmacies.com has it.

The saw palmetto 320mg twice a day is a weak estrogen/DHT receptor blocker that works in the body and to reduce man boobs. Wouldn't it also block testosterone?

320-640 mgs. of saw palmetto extract. Make sure that it is the extract kind and not the dry powder. The label should say "85-95% standardized extract".

Then (idea I got readng this) buy oral minoxidil tablets and dissolve them in PPG to save money on the liquid stuff.

And proscar somehow interfers with arginine production, so you have to supplement your diet with arginine to get enough. arginine is needed to make NO which is needed for erections.

Author, did you say that estrogen just reduces testosterone production and gives us fat, or did you say it hurts head hair as well. If also the head hair, how does it do that again?
 
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so whats your overall conclusion from this college? i checked united's site they don't have it.
 

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I think it has a valid point that estrogen will go up if testosterone goes up. for that i am considering buying the weaker of those drugs if i can get it somehow.

however, I don't know if the amount of estrogen gained is really all that much, and what the consequences are. i for one don't have any body fat gain or man tits.

Also, I think saw palmetto is probably a very weak AR blocker. free GLA would do better, but i don't see how it is possible to block estrogen and not testosterone as well. Saw palmetto is not VERY cheap. 120 capsules with 160mg each is $22, i think. it might have been less. but i'd use that up in one month at the dose suggested, and the $22 is four times the cost of the borage oil I plan to apply to my face and top of head after reaction.

the minoxidil will do more than grow hair on your body. it will lower blood pressure too. 60oz has 3g, so I would need 30 100mg tablets to make a month supply and attempt to beat the minoxidil, and have a hassel. i think the liquid is better than making my own liquid with the pills.

i've been advocating arginine supplimentation for a while, and this give more reason.


VERY IMPORTANT

read up on the estrogen inhibitors and their doses before buying them and taking the dose that guy suggested. That should be common sense. I wonder if they have any side effects or drug interactions.
 
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i actually heard that it's not good to take saw palmetto with dutasteride/finasteride because the SP can compete with the finasteride/dutasteride for the receptor sites and it's better for the finasteride/dutasteride to bind with it because it's stronger than the weaker sp.
 

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when you talk about the receptor, do you mean 5ar? finasteride and dutasteride do not bind with the androgen receptor, just 5ar. even then, if finasteride can't compete with dutasteride, then neither can SP. I just don't take it for the cost, and because I think it would block testosterone as well as estrogen, unless estrogen has a very weak affinity for the AR. SP definitely can not compete with DHT for the AR. Does estrogen bind to the same receptor that testosterone does?
 
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collegechemistrystudent said:
when you talk about the receptor, do you mean 5ar? finasteride and dutasteride do not bind with the androgen receptor, just 5ar. even then, if finasteride can't compete with dutasteride, then neither can SP. I just don't take it for the cost, and because I think it would block testosterone as well as estrogen, unless estrogen has a very weak affinity for the AR. SP definitely can not compete with DHT for the AR. Does estrogen bind to the same receptor that testosterone does?

yes i meant 5 ar. i may be misatken.

i thought SP was supposed to block estrogen receptors.

the problem with this study that i posted, college, is that aren't we supposed to believe that too muich testosterone is bad for the hair and can damage it just like DHT can? we haven't heard much about estrogen damaging hair and in fact things like spironolactone have been reported to convert test to est.
 

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If estrogen was bad for hair wouldnt women be just as bald as men?
 

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htownballa said:
interesting article...i want to hear what bryan has to say

I think it's a load of bullshit. By no means is this the first time that that article by "Sam A" has been posted. It's come up from time-to-time on various hairloss sites, going all the way back to alt.baldspot.

As I've pointed out many times over the years, almost all the available scientific evidence seems to indicate that estrogen is GOOD for human scalp hair. Sam A's technique in that article is to use nothing but "guilt-by-association" in an effort to make everybody believe that estrogen contributes to balding: "Estrogen rises in men as they get older and their balding gets worse, therefore estrogen must cause balding". That's lousy science.

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Interesting thread I just finished reading and decided to bump out from the not too distant vault.

Since Bryan called B.S. on this, I guess you have to question whether or not the author was actually telling the truth since he stated himself and his doctor had noticeable results after trying this.

I wouldn't give this a try myself of course, but it's still an interesting read. I do use, and will continue to, 400mg of SP extract a day. It is also inexpensive to buy at Walmart with the Spring Valley brand.
 

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I don't know if you guys noticed, but he doesn't really seem to address that estrogen furthers balding? He simply states that taking proscar, like the rest of us do..helped out his hair...and just took an anti estrogen to help out with body fat and other issues....I mean, nowhere did he deduce a scientific reason...all he does is talk about the bad effects of estrogen and then goes on to state...oh btw i took these 2 drugs and coincidientally my hair regrowth exploded...not to mention he states that minoxidil is dose dependent (when I swear it's been stated numerous times that taking it more then recommended does not help @ all)....anyways what Im trying to get @ thru myrambling is anti estrogen will give you a hand in reducing your b**ch tits, fatty deposits...and that's about it.
 

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Higher than normal levels of general estrogen increases the production of DHT and the sensativity of AR receptors.

As most men get older #1 DHT level rise #2 Estrogen levels rise.

I will dig up a study where insteatd of anit-andro treatment, anti-aromatase was used and resulted shrinking of the prostate and it is due to lower amount and sensativity of the AR and reduced DHT

You see the more estrogen one produces naturally the more DHT one produces in order to keep you a man, other wise you would become very very womenly.

The reason for high estrogen levels is mainly due to poor cardiovascular health
 

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purecontrol said:
Higher than normal levels of general estrogen increases the production of DHT and the sensativity of AR receptors.

As most men get older #1 DHT level rise #2 Estrogen levels rise.

I will dig up a study where insteatd of anit-andro treatment, anti-aromatase was used and resulted shrinking of the prostate and it is due to lower amount and sensativity of the AR and reduced DHT

You see the more estrogen one produces naturally the more DHT one produces in order to keep you a man, other wise you would become very very womenly.

The reason for high estrogen levels is mainly due to poor cardiovascular health

I call B.S. on this post.

1. If estrogen levels rise, then testosterone production will decrease through negative feedback, thus, DHT production will also decrease.

2. Aromatizable androgens, and thus, estrogen are required for hair growth in areas such as the pubic region, so they are actually what make you look like a man in certain regions of the body.

3. Estrogens are actually associated with better cardiovascular health. They are one (if not the main) reason why women tend to have higher HDL and lower LDL levels.

Estrogen is naturally produced by the testes for the duration of a man's life once he hits puberty. It's there for a reason and like somebody said above, if estrogen is bad for hair, then why don't women go bald? Instead, they have hair loss during the time in their lives when androgens are produced in excess and estrogen/progesterone production is significantly decreased (i.e. post-menopause).
 

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purecontrol said:
Higher than normal levels of general estrogen increases the production of DHT and the sensativity of AR receptors.

As most men get older #1 DHT level rise #2 Estrogen levels rise.

I will dig up a study where insteatd of anit-andro treatment, anti-aromatase was used and resulted shrinking of the prostate and it is due to lower amount and sensativity of the AR and reduced DHT

You see the more estrogen one produces naturally the more DHT one produces in order to keep you a man, other wise you would become very very womenly.

The reason for high estrogen levels is mainly due to poor cardiovascular health

This is true, but I doubt the AR upregulation makes up for the extra estragen that is good for hair. Also, dutasteride can easily over power any extra 5ar activity. And Retin-A supposedly down regulates the AR.
 

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docj077 said:
purecontrol said:
Higher than normal levels of general estrogen increases the production of DHT and the sensativity of AR receptors.

As most men get older #1 DHT level rise #2 Estrogen levels rise.

I will dig up a study where insteatd of anit-andro treatment, anti-aromatase was used and resulted shrinking of the prostate and it is due to lower amount and sensativity of the AR and reduced DHT

You see the more estrogen one produces naturally the more DHT one produces in order to keep you a man, other wise you would become very very womenly.

The reason for high estrogen levels is mainly due to poor cardiovascular health

I call B.S. on this post.

1. If estrogen levels rise, then testosterone production will decrease through negative feedback, thus, DHT production will also decrease.

2. Aromatizable androgens, and thus, estrogen are required for hair growth in areas such as the pubic region, so they are actually what make you look like a man in certain regions of the body.

3. Estrogens are actually associated with better cardiovascular health. They are one (if not the main) reason why women tend to have higher HDL and lower LDL levels.

Estrogen is naturally produced by the testes for the duration of a man's life once he hits puberty. It's there for a reason and like somebody said above, if estrogen is bad for hair, then why don't women go bald? Instead, they have hair loss during the time in their lives when androgens are produced in excess and estrogen/progesterone production is significantly decreased (i.e. post-menopause).

thanks for the info. Yeah, one of my anabolic drugs inhibits aromatase, thereby causing the testes to make more testosterone. I did not know the testes made estrogen.
 

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purecontrol said:
I will dig up a study where insteatd of anit-andro treatment, anti-aromatase was used and resulted shrinking of the prostate and it is due to lower amount and sensativity of the AR and reduced DHT

If you really have such a study I'd like to see it, because I can show you one that had different results: an aromatase inhibitor was given to men with BPH, and it had no effect at all. I have that full study lying around here somewhere...

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You see the more estrogen one produces naturally the more DHT one produces in order to keep you a man...

Baloney. Prove it.
 

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lol exactly. by that conclusion

if estrogen = baldness
all women should be bald

load of bologna.

If anything i think it might be a good thing although it turns us into women.
 
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