Choose: Best to worst

[sylent]

In this topic rate these appearance based (not life threatening like Cancer, which would obviously be worse) things and how much they would drive your self confidence down. These are the choices: Fat, short, skinny, bald, acne, small penis, unattractive face. I would say:

1) Skinny - sort of a desireable trait for some
2) Fat - not permanent
3) Acne - Absolutly sucks when you have it but treatable and non-permanent.
4) Short - permanent, sucks but can easily be look passed and is socially acceptable.
5) Unattractive face - Depends on how bad other things are. If youre in shape with NW1 hair, not so bad.
6) Bald
7) Small Penis - This was really a toss up but I chose small penis as being worse. Im not talking 5', I mean 4.5 or less. While being bald could somewhat inhibit your sex life, having a small penis could almost ruin it (for some). Id rather be turned down by a girl at a bar than take her home and be laughed at.

Anyways thats my list. Thought we could poke a little fun at these problems instead of always being depressed

 

[kejan]

I have a tiny penis and to be honest, I don't actually mind at all. I'd happily have a small penis if it meant I kept my hair.

 

[HairPieceMan]

items 1,2,5 , & 7 can be fixed these days, you can fix shortness and baldness with leg legnthening + lifts & wigs.

therefore IMO both these condisions are "treatable" although its obviously not IDEAL to wear a wig nor IDEAL so spend £10,000 to get your legs broken and stretched over time to get taller.

you can also get penile enlargment, and there is some sort of jelking thing that can increase penis size, in addition you can wear bulge increasing pants (search shock jock) from andrew christian.

wieght is within your control and it is an ideal solution to eat right etc.

BUT EVEN THOUGH THESE SOLUTIONS ARE NOT IDEAL, these things are far better than having an ugly face, or something that requires a full face lift of some kind.

actually cutting into your skin is nuts.

so id say id take all of the above over a face, becuase you CAN change the above with wigs/lifts/LL/Diet.

however the face you cannot change, or you risk looking really strange.

 

[virtuality]

Worst: low self-esteem

for everything else there is MasterCard :whistle:

Seriously, all those problem can be overcome to a certain degree with a strong personality.

I also don't think small penis is such a big deal, I guess emotionally it's probably worse than being bald but when it comes to the mechanics of sex, I don't think it makes much difference. I know from experience that some women have smaller vagina and when they have sex with an average or above average penis, they hurt very quickly. That's one of the main reasons why I would never again date a petite girl.

 

[TheInvincible]

5) Unattractive face - Depends on how bad other things are. If youre in shape with NW1 hair, not so bad.
6) Bald

I would say it's much better to have attractive face and no hair than the other way round. you at least have something good. having hair is not good, it's normal by default.

 

[agent00]

Good questions. Just to be clear, I think they all suck. Here are my ratings from top ("best") to bottom ("worst")

1) Skinny - you see a lot more pretty girls walking around with uber skinny guys than uber fat guys
2) Short - I'm pretty short (5'7) but I am taller than most girls, so it's all good. I rarely get picked on about my height.
3) Small penis - I do unfortunately have a small penis, I just gotta make it up with oral
4) Acne - having a potmarked face is really nasty but there are some medications, it's a toss up between this and losing your hair
5) Bald - losing your hair sucks, I think we can all agree. it's hard for white guy to pull off a shaved head look. It makes you look older no matter what.
6) Fat - I have seen nice looking girls with guys with the 5 above but being fat really hurts your chances landing a pretty girl. I have yet to see a really obese man with a hot chick.
7) Unattractive face. I've seen tall, well built guys with a full head of hair that I wouldn't want to be. I'd hate to have this.

 

[sylent]

@ Fred

A lot of people here may think youre a cocky douche but I like the honesty. If you know youre a good looking guy, theres no point lying about it. I'm also a pretty good looking guy myself but we all have our flaws.

 

[Eureka]

items 1,2,5 , & 7 can be fixed these days, you can fix shortness and baldness with leg legnthening + lifts & wigs.

LL is not something you just "do" on a long weekend. LL is not a surgery for the masses, it's for a small very insecure group of people who are willing to pay to have their legs broken, for generally no more than 2.5 inches of increased height. Whilst wigs are generally unacceptable because the exact type who wants one is the type to worry about others knowing he has one.

I would say it's much better to have attractive face and no hair than the other way round. you at least have something good. having hair is not good, it's normal by default.

I think it's semantics. Hair can frame a face, a good haircut can improve overall looks, structure etc. Without hair there's nothing to hide behind.

Small Penis - This was really a toss up but I chose small penis as being worse. Im not talking 5', I mean 4.5 or less. While being bald could somewhat inhibit your sex life, having a small penis could almost ruin it (for some). Id rather be turned down by a girl at a bar than take her home and be laughed at.

If you're dating someone who likes the "look" of a large penis, then yes it would be a problem. But it's purely psychological, not physical. It's been stated again and again, A. it isn't length it's girth B. Most women can't have an orgasm via penetration alone anyways. This is well known, despite size. Once again we get into very young women, whom I'd almost call girls care about this sort of thing. Women would rather a small/average sized one that came along with a knowing set of hands and a tireless tongue than a guy who's hung but can't be bothered to give oral.

And no this isn't coming from a guy with a small one. But once you spend a significant amount of time with a woman who is older.. and isn't insecure about telling you what she wants and how to do things, you learn much and more.

 

[DoctorHouse]

Fred, I have to admit I do enjoy your posts. You know deep down inside you are thinning( I won't use the word balding since it sounds less alarming) but try to convince yourself and everyone else you are not. However, you finally came clean when you showed the most recent photo.

You did say something that was very true and I commend you on that point you made in your post above. You can be tall, good looking, have a great head of hair, be financially successful, and still have low self esteem and lack confidence that can hinder your success in attracting good looking women. You are smart that you realized that now at such a young age. I guess it took me much later in life to learn that. I knew about it all along but never believed in myself to realize it was true.

I always believed that no matter how good looking you think you are, there is always going to be someone that is way better looking than yourself. I thought why compete when you can never win. I thought women always look to trade up in the looks department. The moment someone better looking comes along and shows them attention, the more likely they will cheat and get rid of you. Now I realized the best way to attract and keep good looking women is to make sure you can physically and emotionally be intimate with them. Most guys never can do both. For most guys, the emotional part is hard to accomplish. Being physically intimate might be hard too if you can't stay hard due to finasteride or anxiety but we have v**** for that just in case. I doubt a small penis it going to hinder you that much. Howard Stern has proven that theory with his model wife.

So in my opinion lacking confidence and self esteem is going to be the biggest handicap for most guys with or without hair. It definitely was mine.

 

[Eureka]

So in my opinion lacking confidence and self esteem is going to be the biggest handicap for most guys with or without hair. It definitely was mine.

I wish more people would come to this realization before wasting years and years they'll never get back.

 

[DoctorHouse]

This is me with my hair right under the sun in the summer of 2008, seriously, was I even balding? can you tell I'm balding? and a year later in the summer... you know how I was, my picture in the pool was taken in the summer of 2009. How did that happen, almost bald, in only 1 YEAR?! I'll try to explain that in my new topic lol.

To be honest, your hairline does not look so thick in that photo. As a professional Norwood spotter, I would definitely say you are thinning even then. Even if you say your thinning stopped, it is going to continue sooner or later as you age. Aging alone will cause you to thin. If you don't want to call that classic male pattern baldness, I will agree. I would call it DPA.
You may get lucky and gain some thickness back without a DHT blocker but I seriously doubt your hair is going to stay that way in the next 10 years. If it does, I will be happy for you but if it does not I will be happy for s.a.f. because he told you so. :whistle:

 

[s.a.f]

Freds hair is very simalar to how mine was at that age like me he definatley does'nt have good hair genes. Although hr is'nt balding per se in the photo above his hair is still fine/thin and thats not a strong hairline ie its a NW2. Like me Fred is one of those guys who was never a NW1. But the fact is he's still just a kid there, I've cant recall seeing anyone with hair like this in their youth that did'nt go bald or have a noticible degree of hairloss by the age of 30.

People always used to describe my hair as fine (ie not thick) and then as a teen I began to get comments like "yeah you're one of those guys who'll be bald in his 20's. They were right - its weak genetics in the hair dept.

 

[LooseItAll]

So in my opinion lacking confidence and self esteem is going to be the biggest handicap for most guys with or without hair. It definitely was mine.

I wish more people would come to this realization before wasting years and years they'll never get back.

Yeah that sucks. I regret that I didn't take action when I was a teen. It is so much harder(impossible?) to start now as a 24 year old virgin and the thoughts of wasted years and watching younger guys enjoying their lives while some of your relatives are already married and/or have kids that is really depressing.

 

[Eureka]

Yeah that sucks. I regret that I didn't take action when I was a teen. It is so much harder(impossible?) to start now as a 24 year old virgin and the thoughts of wasted years and watching younger guys enjoying their lives while some of your relatives are already married and/or have kids that is really depressing.

What happens when you're 30 and lament all the time you wasted in your 20's wishing you'd spent your time better in your teens?

 

[LooseItAll]

Yeah that sucks. I regret that I didn't take action when I was a teen. It is so much harder(impossible?) to start now as a 24 year old virgin and the thoughts of wasted years and watching younger guys enjoying their lives while some of your relatives are already married and/or have kids that is really depressing.

What happens when you're 30 and lament all the time you wasted in your 20's wishing you'd spent your time better in your teens?

Same thing. You see there is a big difference between your teens and mid 20es

I wasn't very insecure to begin with but at least I was "normal" in terms of intimate standards. Yet still I didn't manage to get myself out of this mental state. But I wasn't as objective as I am now, I wasn't analysing my life so carefully.

When you are a teen you are naturally among other peers. So it just happens that some girls are attracted to you, still I wasn't able to take advantage of that. Now once you graduate it is all over. To be among people you have to force yourself to go into places like pubs, clubs etc. These are not comfortable places for an antisocial and very shy person like myself. Being a virgin at that age, having no friends and no life really do not help in stepping up to the task. So yeah I think it is nearly impossible and I agreee that being 30+ is even worse. But the fact is there is a bigger gap between your teens and my age than being my age vs 30+. The life does not change much once you graduate. For me it is work-home, work-home schedule and I will probably sport the same schedule in my 30+.

I thought about it much and I just can't think of a realistic solution for an uber shy guy with no life.

 

[cantholdmedown]

Yeah that sucks. I regret that I didn't take action when I was a teen. It is so much harder(impossible?) to start now as a 24 year old virgin and the thoughts of wasted years and watching younger guys enjoying their lives while some of your relatives are already married and/or have kids that is really depressing.

What happens when you're 30 and lament all the time you wasted in your 20's wishing you'd spent your time better in your teens?

Same thing. You see there is a big difference between your teens and mid 20es

I wasn't very insecure to begin with but at least I was "normal" in terms of intimate standards. Yet still I didn't manage to get myself out of this mental state. But I wasn't as objective as I am now, I wasn't analysing my life so carefully.

When you are a teen you are naturally among other peers. So it just happens that some girls are attracted to you, still I wasn't able to take advantage of that. Now once you graduate it is all over. To be among people you have to force yourself to go into places like pubs, clubs etc. These are not comfortable places for an antisocial and very shy person like myself. Being a virgin at that age, having no friends and no life really do not help in stepping up to the task. So yeah I think it is nearly impossible and I agreee that being 30+ is even worse. But the fact is there is a bigger gap between your teens and my age than being my age vs 30+. The life does not change much once you graduate. For me it is work-home, work-home schedule and I will probably sport the same schedule in my 30+.

I thought about it much and I just can't think of a realistic solution for an uber shy guy with no life.

You have to adopt the attitude, of not giving a f*** about what other people think. It's the most liberating feeling in the world.

 

[LooseItAll]

I don't think that you can develop such attitude out of nothing. Some people just acquire it when they grow up.

 

[virtuality]

If you're dating someone who likes the "look" of a large penis, then yes it would be a problem. But it's purely psychological, not physical. It's been stated again and again, A. it isn't length it's girth B. Most women can't have an orgasm via penetration alone anyways. This is well known, despite size. Once again we get into very young women, whom I'd almost call girls care about this sort of thing. Women would rather a small/average sized one that came along with a knowing set of hands and a tireless tongue than a guy who's hung but can't be bothered to give oral.

I'd agree that penis size is mainly about aesthetics and not functionality.

However, there are some girls who like their cervix/fornix being stimulated and for some it's actually painful or uncomfortable. If the articles on sex are to go by, i'd say most women don't like their cervix being banged. Thus, average penis is probably ideal.

My ex was one of those that could orgasm much easier through deep penetration than stimulation of the clitoris. My ex-ex was the opposite, deep penetration hurt her and she needed clitoral stimulation...

My point is, just like all men are different, women too are all different. Eg, I'm not crazy about BJs, but most men are.

 

[virtuality]

Stop stressing about your hair and go get yourself some p*ssy.

Take it from me, for one night stands or short term relationships anyone would do, don't be picky. This advice goes to all the young guys.

 

[cantholdmedown]

I don't think that you can develop such attitude out of nothing. Some people just acquire it when they grow up.

No, just logically realize:

Any judgment or hate you get is because people have low self esteem themselves.

People who are secure with themselves and have high self esteem/self love truly do not care that much about your actions.

Just get out there and f*** what everyone else thinks. Take baby steps if you must.