Conclusions and verifications. MB and CCS please

[riptiduh]

Thank you for the wealth of info, again.

I just need clarification for myself and anyone else reading these great studies on peppermint, licorice, coal tar etc..

Is it peppermint or licorice that we need to be using? On paper licorice is said to be stronger but MB has physically studied peppermint.

If yes on licorice or peppermint, is it a good idea to put 1 of these in our shampoo? As well as create a topical consisting of water, peppermint or licorice and maybe alcohol, an emulsifier or maybe jojoba or grapeseed oils?

Is coal tar worth it at this point, or is trading between a shampoo of apple poly and peppermint with nizoral enough?

One more thing, CCS, I created a small topical consisting of water, alcohol, apple poly, white curcumin. Is it ok to add both of these to my minoxidil or just the apple poly?

I hope this is the right forums, with all the talk of peppermint/licorice/coal tar/white curcumin, this is getting exciting indeed!

 

[michael barry]

I dont variate from finasteride, and look at a peppermint oil/purifiedwater topical or perhaps a licorice one an additiveto it.

I still use nizoral and prox-n personally also to round out my little regimine.


We think, based on these studies, these things might be helpful-----but I wouldn't run the risk of using them all alone and forsaking finasteride.




On the coal tar----that is supposition based on a patent application of how it might be indirectly responsible for lessening the amount of alpha five reductase action by reducing a necessary co-factor of it. However, only a heightened plaebo effect of users in a finasteride study back that up, and would only look at it as an "additive" to the proven stuff until more info becomes available.


I mean, I wish some big research entity did look into topical licorice oil for baldness and found it to be as effective as dutasteride was, but I know these things seldom get researched.

Here is a dutasteride study of some pretty damn bald twins and how it not only stopped their hair from falling out, but they actually regrew some with a couple of pictures, http://baumanmedical.typepad.com/articl ... s_MPHL.pdf
I think it shows that anti-androgens ALONE are probably going to be just "halters" of further baldness, and one might perhaps grow a little back-----but it is interesting. Could topical licorice be that good...............we will probably never know, but it might be a very good additive for finas or dutas.

 

[riptiduh]

I totally agree that these new treatments are only additives to a proven regimen. I just wanted to make sure it was licorice that was the right ingredient that showed the most promising synergistic effect along with finasteride/minoxidil/nizoral/prox-n (the big 4) rather than peppermint.

Is the licorice ok to add to shampoos?

 

[michael barry]

Is the licorice ok to add to shampoos?

I googled licorice and shampoo and found some shampoos have licorice in them. HairCycle has both peppermint oil and licorice if I remember correctly. There were a few more. Im pretty sure it would be fine to add, but wonder about what kind of consistency one could get by merely adding it instead of buying one.

 

[CCS]

Is the licorice ok to add to shampoos?

I googled licorice and shampoo and found some shampoos have licorice in them. HairCycle has both peppermint oil and licorice if I remember correctly. There were a few more. Im pretty sure it would be fine to add, but wonder about what kind of consistency one could get by merely adding it instead of buying one.

much cheaper to add yourself. more importantly, you know how much is in there. Any shampoo with these extracts in them should NOT have a fragrance in them. If they need a fragrance, it means they have very little peppermint in them.

 

[michael barry]

You know CCS, licorice just might be the damn wondertopical for baldness everyone has been waiting for............strong alpha five inhibition, blocks recetpors, SOD-activity, anti-microbial................Damn, a RU+Finas with a couple of other positive activities thrown in. ALmost too good to be true.

When I notice that its many hair-removal creams for unwanted body hair...............I think companies have noticed its potential long before, but blocking an androgen receptor is considered a "pharmaceutical action" and its literally illegal to use such a compound in a non-pharmacuetical, so they keep their mouths shut. Mixing some mint with licorice ought to mask the smell of licorice..................a whammy anti-androgen topical.


HairCycle shampoo has both licorice and peppermint oil
Directions:
Apply to wet hair. Work into a rich lather. Leave on for two minutes to allow anagen stimulators to penetrate. Rinse and repeat.

ingredients:
Purified Water, Extracts of Seaweed, Licorice, Rosemary, Saw Palmetto and Grapefruit Seed, Aloe Vera Gel, Stearalkonium Chloride,Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Hyaluronic Acid, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, L-Arginine, Jojoba Oil, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Alpha Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Sorbic Acid, Benzoic Acid, Peppermint Oil, Chitosan, Biotin, Azulene, Fragance.

http://www.haircycle.com/catalog/Shampoo_dir.html



Ive not used that stuff, but it sounds good. Dr. John Cole, a transplant surgeon, came up with it.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

You know CCS, licorice just might be the damn wondertopical for baldness everyone has been waiting for............strong alpha five inhibition, blocks recetpors, SOD-activity, anti-microbial................Damn, a RU+Finas with a couple of other positive activities thrown in. ALmost too good to be true.

When I notice that its many hair-removal creams for unwanted body hair...............I think companies have noticed its potential long before, but blocking an androgen receptor is considered a "pharmaceutical action" and its literally illegal to use such a compound in a non-pharmacuetical, so they keep their mouths shut. Mixing some mint with licorice ought to mask the smell of licorice..................a whammy anti-androgen topical.


HairCycle shampoo has both licorice and peppermint oil
Directions:
Apply to wet hair. Work into a rich lather. Leave on for two minutes to allow anagen stimulators to penetrate. Rinse and repeat.

ingredients:
Purified Water, Extracts of Seaweed, Licorice, Rosemary, Saw Palmetto and Grapefruit Seed, Aloe Vera Gel, Stearalkonium Chloride,Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Hyaluronic Acid, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, L-Arginine, Jojoba Oil, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Alpha Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Sorbic Acid, Benzoic Acid, Peppermint Oil, Chitosan, Biotin, Azulene, Fragance.

http://www.haircycle.com/catalog/Shampoo_dir.html



Ive not used that stuff, but it sounds good. Dr. John Cole, a transplant surgeon, came up with it.

if we only knew how much he put in....

do you plan on buying this shampoo MB?

 

[CCS]

http://www.haircycle.com/catalog/hair-c ... -p-30.html

and affordable too. I still want the licorice topical. I want to use it on my face to get ride of some of the redness.

 

[CCS]

http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... n%26sa%3DG

would someone please call them and find out how much it costs? Preferably two people call them. Ask about the 100g and the 500g.

 

[blaze]

HairCycle shampoo has both licorice and peppermint oil
Directions:
Apply to wet hair. Work into a rich lather. Leave on for two minutes to allow anagen stimulators to penetrate. Rinse and repeat.

ingredients:
Purified Water, Extracts of Seaweed, Licorice, Rosemary, Saw Palmetto and Grapefruit Seed, Aloe Vera Gel, Stearalkonium Chloride,Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Hyaluronic Acid, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, L-Arginine, Jojoba Oil, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Alpha Tocopherol (Vitamin E), Sorbic Acid, Benzoic Acid, Peppermint Oil, Chitosan, Biotin, Azulene, Fragance.
http://www.haircycle.com/catalog/Shampoo_dir.html
Ive not used that stuff, but it sounds good. Dr. John Cole, a transplant surgeon, came up with it.

great Shampoo MB.

I think it definitely looks like a good addition. Licorice is one of the first things listed as well, so it should have a good amount in there.

 

[riptiduh]

I really hope we can find out the exact licorice extract that was used in the study that yielded such great results.
I told CCS that I ordered the DGL Licorice extract from BAC Vitamins online. He nor I know for sure if it is the right "species" of extract that will give the same results. I am going to add some to my shampoo and create a new spray using licorice instead of peppermint and hope for the best. It is going on 8 days now with the peppermint spray and things are already looking better than before. I hope the licorice that I ordered will work! "fingers crossed"

 

[CCS]

This is the exact licorice they used it the study:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hair loss=en&sl=ko&u=
http://eng.whacheon.co.kr/sub02/sub01.p ... 00502%26lv
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extract%2BP-U%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

It is right here. I've searched the net. The other ones are all a different species with a different extraction method. I don't want to buy a $10 international calling card just yet. Would someone please call them?

would someone please call them and find out how much it costs? Preferably two people call them. Ask about the 100g and the 500g.

 

[riptiduh]

What is with the personal attack? Of course I can read. Not cool. I was just stating what we talked about, to everyone, because you were not sure if they were the same species at BAC. So now that you know they are not.........someone definitely needs to call.

 

[CCS]

What is with the personal attack? Of course I can read. Not cool. I was just stating what we talked about, to everyone, because you were not sure if they were the same species at BAC. So now that you know they are not.........someone definitely needs to call.

Sorry about that. I just got bothered because I thought my find was skipped over. I knew yours was different when I first got your PM. I just don't know how many compounds overlap between the two species. $5 for 100 grams is tempting. But I hope someone calls these other people. Got to paste the whole link into the browser. HairLossTalk.com has a bug: it makes supper wide posts.