Covid-male pattern baldness link (overactive immune system)

[czecha]

Copy paste from another forum I‘m on:


Guys there are studies that bald men do worse when Covid infected, I‘m sure you have heard about them.
2 explanations I am seeing:
•bald men are unhealthier
•bald men have stronger immune responses

Here is a haidut quote on covid response unrelated to hair loss/

haidut said:
All viruses can do that, including the flu. If a person dies from the "flu" (or other viral infections), the cytokine storm and multi-organ failure is what usually does them in. There is nothing special/unique in regards to COVID-19 when it comes to causing it.
Inside a Cytokine Storm: When Your Immune System is Too Strong | Breakthroughs
The cytokine storm of severe influenza and development of immunomodulatory therapy
New fronts emerge in the influenza cytokine storm

Some public health authorities have said things like "well, some viruses (like Ebola) cause severe bleeding and those effects are unique". Nope, pretty much any virus can cause the same bleeding when the infection is severe enough. Including the "flu".
How a mild influenza B infection can kill: A case of pulmonary hemorrhage
Novel H1N1 influenza A viral infection complicated by alveolar hemorrhage - PubMed
A case of hemorrhagic colitis after influenza A infection - ScienceDirect
https://journal.chestnet.org/article/S0012-3692(18)31296-0/fulltext
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I think it has been theorized that male pattern baldness (maybe due to funghi, or bacteria?) is the immune system attacking your follicles
Cortisone can work against hair loss, suppresses immune system
Cushing disease sufferers tend to have great hairlines and weak immune systems
It has recently been theorized that finasteride upregulates a corticosteroid

So imo this is making the overactive immune system-male pattern baldness link more plausible

there is also a study claiming covid survivors experience reversable hair loss

65% of COVID-19 survivors surveyed report experiencing hair loss, among other long-term effects​

A recent survey conducted by Survivor Corps, a COVID-19 nonprofit, and Dr. Natalie Lambert from Indiana University School of Medicine found that 65% of coronavirus survivors reported hair loss.

So covid leading to overactive immune system in itself

 

[jan_miezda]

Older men = more prominent form of alopecia visible on scalp + poorer immune response due to age = higher susceptibility to covid death/symptoms


that's like saying there is a higher number of males infected with covid with erectile dysfunction (bc they are old)

 

[czecha]

Older men = more prominent form of alopecia visible on scalp + poorer immune response due to age = higher susceptibility to covid death/symptoms


that's like saying there is a higher number of males infected with covid with erectile dysfunction (bc they are old)

You are not particularly smart for thinking the studies do not account for age.
The people conducting them are trained to filter these correlations out.

it’s funny to me how keyboard warriors just bombard threads without reading the studies. Dunning kruger maxxed

 

[jan_miezda]

just like your dumbass posted the exact same thread that someone else posted. learn how to use the search fx and read maybe.maybe the covid already seeped through your bald head

You are not particularly smart for thinking the studies do not account for age.
The people conducting them are trained to filter these correlations out.

it’s funny to me how keyboard warriors just bombard threads without reading the studies. Dunning kruger maxxe

 

[Will Be an Egg in 5 years]

Baldness is linked to several health issues, specially cancer and heart diseases. I don't why it isn't more disclosed.

 

[czecha]

just like your dumbass posted the exact same thread that someone else posted. learn how to use the search fx and read maybe.maybe the covid already seeped through your bald head

Cope

 

[Janko]

You might be on to something. A lot of docs are already speculating, that hair loss at young age is linked to some health issues, that we don't see yet. If you think about it, if you see a young dog losing fur it indicates you, that it is sick. Autoimmune diseases are more and more common at younger and younger age and so is balding. I know , that one Doctor told me theory, that balding is a sign of autoimmune problems. This study points links between inflammatory bowl diseases and balding: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4284339/
I have friend who has IBD confirmed and he was balding already at 19. Now he is always for some time on budesonid and he claims, that his hair always improves dramatically, while he takes it. And I can confirm his hair is better than when he was 20. There might be some link to it, because I had best results while on big 3 when I had inhalator with corticosteroids to trigger asthma. Since I am off my hair is slowly fading away even while on minoxidil, finasteride, dutasteride and nizoral. Pitty, that I cant get the inhalator again to try if it would improve my situation....

 

[czecha]

You might be on to something. A lot of docs are already speculating, that hair loss at young age is linked to some health issues, that we don't see yet. If you think about it, if you see a young dog losing fur it indicates you, that it is sick. Autoimmune diseases are more and more common at younger and younger age and so is balding. I know , that one Doctor told me theory, that balding is a sign of autoimmune problems. This study points links between inflammatory bowl diseases and balding: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4284339/
I have friend who has IBD confirmed and he was balding already at 19. Now he is always for some time on budesonid and he claims, that his hair always improves dramatically, while he takes it. And I can confirm his hair is better than when he was 20. There might be some link to it, because I had best results while on big 3 when I had inhalator with corticosteroids to trigger asthma. Since I am off my hair is slowly fading away even while on minoxidil, finasteride, dutasteride and nizoral. Pitty, that I cant get the inhalator again to try if it would improve my situation....

Did you have side effects from the cortisone?

i have seen a guy who got cushings disease from a pituitary tumor go from Norwood 2.5 to nw1

 

[TurboFixer]

Did you have side effects from the cortisone?

i have seen a guy who got cushings disease from a pituitary tumor go from Norwood 2.5 to nw1

I saw that guy - his hairline pictures were quite odd but it did seem like his hair line did change shape


I know a guy who had success using Betamethasone - he said his hair thickened a lot

he used dutasteride without success and had a pretty intense loss all over his head but mainly on the crown and temples

 

[coolio]

Balding is linked to health problems, in the same way that shorter height is. You can find plenty of correlations but that does not prove causation. The vast majority of cases are simply due to genetics and there is no health problem factor.

 

[9982]

True. The obituaries are full of pictures of guys going bald when they were in their 20s during WW2, then dying in their nineties

 

[czecha]

Yeah I am also not a believer in that bald men are unhealthier, there are likely some advantages (I am thinking in the cancer department) and disadvantages (cardiovascular) generally speaking.

has anyone explored the route of lowering one’s immune system? What other ways other than cortisone are there?
Is it possible to get a mostly topical effect?

 

[jan_miezda]

Baldness is linked to several health issues, specially cancer and heart diseases. I don't why it isn't more disclosed.

Hair growth is a mode of excretion of many nutrients/micronutrients which can other wise cause toxicity in the body and cause further downstream problems (transcriptionally etc..). That’s why you can have hair zinc assay completed and other ones as tools to study levels of certain micronutrients

I’d be interested to see how a DRI changes for certain nutrients from people with wild type hair growth to people with alopecia

 

[coolio]

Over the years researchers have observed hair gains during raised AND lowered immune response. The complexity of this stuff is staggering.

 

[Loife]

I remember watching/reading something on how a type of fungi takes over a plant by bypassing it's immune system by sending it into overdrive to avoid detection and thinking this could be happening to us (we like to think we are special when we are just another organism), I strongly believe Fungi/candida is massive in alot of health issues (especially auto immune ones) whether that crosses into hairloss is another matter....however the stress put on your body through being in constant fight or flight I'm saying is a factor in speeding things up!

 

[czecha]

I remember watching/reading something on how a type of fungi takes over a plant by bypassing it's immune system by sending it into overdrive to avoid detection and thinking this could be happening to us (we like to think we are special when we are just another organism), I strongly believe Fungi/candida is massive in alot of health issues (especially auto immune ones) whether that crosses into hairloss is another matter....however the stress put on your body through being in constant fight or flight I'm saying is a factor in speeding things up!

Yeah and most things that work for male pattern baldness have anti fungal properties
I think our relationship with funghi on scalp is symbiotic though, which is why anti fungals will never be a cure and will only help some individuals to some extent :/

 

[Zlatan]

Yeah and most things that work for male pattern baldness have anti fungal properties
I think our relationship with funghi on scalp is symbiotic though, which is why anti fungals will never be a cure and will only help some individuals to some extent :/

I think it makes sense. I suffer of dermatitis and when I cure it with antifungal tablets my hair definitely improves. I guess the inflammation plays a big role in hair loss, not as big as DHT indeed but still important

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

You might be on to something. A lot of docs are already speculating, that hair loss at young age is linked to some health issues, that we don't see yet. If you think about it, if you see a young dog losing fur it indicates you, that it is sick. Autoimmune diseases are more and more common at younger and younger age and so is balding. I know , that one Doctor told me theory, that balding is a sign of autoimmune problems. This study points links between inflammatory bowl diseases and balding: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4284339/
I have friend who has IBD confirmed and he was balding already at 19. Now he is always for some time on budesonid and he claims, that his hair always improves dramatically, while he takes it. And I can confirm his hair is better than when he was 20. There might be some link to it, because I had best results while on big 3 when I had inhalator with corticosteroids to trigger asthma. Since I am off my hair is slowly fading away even while on minoxidil, finasteride, dutasteride and nizoral. Pitty, that I cant get the inhalator again to try if it would improve my situation....

Baldness is an affliction of primarily white and Semitic people. It is all but unknown among Siberians, Inuit and Native Americans and far, far less prevalent among Asian peoples.

Second, baldness occurs concurrently with the yao to its ying, which is beard growth. So we have hair coming in facially and hair going out from on top of the scalp for afflicted males. I have a difficult time seeing male pattern baldness as being a sign of disease. Is it a mutation that has benefits? Or a mutation with no benefits? We do know that several health issues are related to T and DHT, including baldness, dermatitis, dandruff and acne and they occur externally essentially nowhere else on the body. Why don't females suffer from baldness beginning in adolescence as males do? It's hard to see a disease model as indicative of hair loss per se but rather as the beginning of changes in metabolic processes that in the words of John Cougar: "make us women and men".

With respect to correlation, I often see studies where the authors appear to have overlooked quite obvious correlations but hopefully that is becoming rare. A famous example was a study related to "crack babies" in DC where the authors of the study failed to control for income levels and came up with a result now deemed to be the opposite of the underlying reality.

Goddess bless but we never ever see pics of anyone with cosmetically significant improvement from anyone except the folks using HRT. We have seen several impressive improvements with progression pics over several months to a couple of years on HRT threads and the community is growing.

Even beyond all of that, the regrown hair is of much better quality and grows longer and has much more body and much less sebum. In spite of what many hospitals and universities and even transgender folks might purport, it appears possible to regrow an entire head of hair from balding scalp tissue. At the same time, many seem to not achieve regrowth success. It might be because you have to use a lot of estrogen and maintain adult female estradiol levels for at least six months to 18 months. Most cis-guys are leery of using that much and they are right to be wary but prolonged use of any form of estrogen is likely to be feminizing. We have one fellow who restored his hair and now he is trying to cross back to the "male" side of things hormonally, using only dutasteride, which is something theoretical, that to my knowledge, no one has publicized as something they are trying.

So would these treatments triple anagen? Cause if they don't, they appear likely to be of little benefit. There are a whole host of differences between white and Semitic "male hair" and "female hair". Mere coverage for people with ugly hair is not much relief and male hair struggles to reach longer lengths during puberty but especially after the age of 18. Very few white males can maintain such hair past 30 and it appears to be highly correlated with success among actors and models.

I think all of us, myself included, are likely to see using HRT to combat hair loss and perhaps dermatitis as not being linked to gender per se but rather as medical options, unrelated to being transgender. I know some of the folks here participate but would love to see you:

https://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/threads/hair-is-not-life-but-its-pretty-damn-close-hrt-and-pictorial-posts-prove-it.130425/page-8#post-1928787

 

[inmyhead]

Baldness is an affliction of primarily white and Semitic people. It is all but unknown among Siberians, Inuit and Native Americans and far, far less prevalent among Asian peoples.

Second, baldness occurs concurrently with the yao to its ying, which is beard growth. So we have hair coming in facially and hair going out from on top of the scalp for afflicted males. I have a difficult time seeing male pattern baldness as being a sign of disease. Is it a mutation that has benefits? Or a mutation with no benefits? We do know that several health issues are related to T and DHT, including baldness, dermatitis, dandruff and acne and they occur externally essentially nowhere else on the body. Why don't females suffer from baldness beginning in adolescence as males do? It's hard to see a disease model as indicative of hair loss per se but rather as the beginning of changes in metabolic processes that in the words of John Cougar: "make us women and men".

With respect to correlation, I often see studies where the authors appear to have overlooked quite obvious correlations but hopefully that is becoming rare. A famous example was a study related to "crack babies" in DC where the authors of the study failed to control for income levels and came up with a result now deemed to be the opposite of the underlying reality.

Goddess bless but we never ever see pics of anyone with cosmetically significant improvement from anyone except the folks using HRT. We have seen several impressive improvements with progression pics over several months to a couple of years on HRT threads and the community is growing.

Even beyond all of that, the regrown hair is of much better quality and grows longer and has much more body and much less sebum. In spite of what many hospitals and universities and even transgender folks might purport, it appears possible to regrow an entire head of hair from balding scalp tissue. At the same time, many seem to not achieve regrowth success. It might be because you have to use a lot of estrogen and maintain adult female estradiol levels for at least six months to 18 months. Most cis-guys are leery of using that much and they are right to be wary but prolonged use of any form of estrogen is likely to be feminizing. We have one fellow who restored his hair and now he is trying to cross back to the "male" side of things hormonally, using only dutasteride, which is something theoretical, that to my knowledge, no one has publicized as something they are trying.

So would these treatments triple anagen? Cause if they don't, they appear likely to be of little benefit. There are a whole host of differences between white and Semitic "male hair" and "female hair". Mere coverage for people with ugly hair is not much relief and male hair struggles to reach longer lengths during puberty but especially after the age of 18. Very few white males can maintain such hair past 30 and it appears to be highly correlated with success among actors and models.

I think all of us, myself included, are likely to see using HRT to combat hair loss and perhaps dermatitis as not being linked to gender per se but rather as medical options, unrelated to being transgender. I know some of the folks here participate but would love to see you:

https://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/threads/hair-is-not-life-but-its-pretty-damn-close-hrt-and-pictorial-posts-prove-it.130425/page-8#post-1928787

"Goddess bless but we never ever see pics of anyone with cosmetically significant improvement from anyone except the folks using HRT"
-This is completely wrong. Plenty of people having insane regrowth from combining min and finasteride, or dutasteride. Sometimes even finasteride has crazy results.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

"Goddess bless but we never ever see pics of anyone with cosmetically significant improvement from anyone except the folks using HRT"
-This is completely wrong. Plenty of people having insane regrowth from combining min and finasteride, or dutasteride. Sometimes even finasteride has crazy results.

Not in terms of restoring juvenile hairlines and the ability to grow hair long unless we are talking about people using finasteride/Min during puberty.

Insane growth to me is restoration of a full head of hair from balding scalp with easily apparent improvements in quality and anagen. I have seen pictures related to what you describe that are definitely improvements cosmetically although very, very few people ever get "insane" regrowth from finasteride or Min, although oral minoxidil might provide "insane" growth but still I don't see people posting pics. Once we move to using a stack of meds, it is hard to determine what is causing what. finasteride might delay baldness for a long time for some and I assume many actors use it.

But very few guys in their 40's appear to get any sort of "insane" growth from finasteride or Min and my rule of thumb is that I only relate that they are highly efficient at maintenance and useful even if no regrowth is ever seen. Except for minoxidil, all of our current treatments are hormonally based, and minoxidil itself might have some hormonal impact when used orally. I continue to conclude that only HRT medications, including reductase inhibitors appear able to "regrow" hair at all and even in these cases, for men, unfortunately, virtually no one gets cosmetically significant improvement.