crap, chest soreness is not surface, it's deep...crap.....

[Diddy]

well guys friday and saturday i went out and got really hammered. Woke up sunday, was putting on my shirt, and noticed my right nipple felt really sensitive. I went and kinda poked it, and noticed that behind my nipple when i pinch it it feels sore...today it is still sore.

Now i don't remember anyone pinching my nipple or anything, but it is very possible since i don't remember much from saturday at all.
However this doesn't feel like my actual nipple is sore, its like just beneath my nipple....

I seem to recall that alcoholic men tend to develop gyno because alcohol apparantly increases estrogen temporarily right? Anyone think my binge coupled with 8 months of finasteride could have pushed levels slightly too high??

I'm gonna wait a few days to see if it subsides. Should take only 3-4 days max if it is just a pinched nipple or something.

Any thoughts guys? I've come too far to just stop taking this drug, but i sure as hell don't want boobs....As far as lumps go i've always had fatty pecs, so there is always kinda lumps in my pecs (soft fat i guess, always been there)[/b]

 

[Hairybush1]

Re: I really really hope this isn't gyno....

well guys friday and saturday i went out and got really hammered. Woke up sunday, was putting on my shirt, and noticed my right nipple felt really sensitive. I went and kinda poked it, and noticed that behind my nipple when i pinch it it feels sore...today it is still sore.

Now i don't remember anyone pinching my nipple or anything, but it is very possible since i don't remember much from saturday at all.
However this doesn't feel like my actual nipple is sore, its like just beneath my nipple....

I seem to recall that alcoholic men tend to develop gyno because alcohol apparantly increases estrogen temporarily right? Anyone think my binge coupled with 8 months of finasteride could have pushed levels slightly too high??

I'm gonna wait a few days to see if it subsides. Should take only 3-4 days max if it is just a pinched nipple or something.

Any thoughts guys? I've come too far to just stop taking this drug, but i sure as hell don't want boobs....As far as lumps go i've always had fatty pecs, so there is always kinda lumps in my pecs (soft fat i guess, always been there)

Who knows? Maybe, during one of those nights of drinking you passed out and were used as a gimp sex slave and had nipple clips attached to your boobies. Is your bum sore? If it isnt and the discomfort in your nips still exsists, you probably might be developing gyno and you possibly werent violated after all. Whew..

To be sure and not wait around to sprout double d's go see your doctor.

 

[Dice_Has_Hair]

Re: I really really hope this isn't gyno....

well guys friday and saturday i went out and got really hammered. Woke up sunday, was putting on my shirt, and noticed my right nipple felt really sensitive. I went and kinda poked it, and noticed that behind my nipple when i pinch it it feels sore...today it is still sore.

Now i don't remember anyone pinching my nipple or anything, but it is very possible since i don't remember much from saturday at all.
However this doesn't feel like my actual nipple is sore, its like just beneath my nipple....

I seem to recall that alcoholic men tend to develop gyno because alcohol apparantly increases estrogen temporarily right? Anyone think my binge coupled with 8 months of finasteride could have pushed levels slightly too high??

I'm gonna wait a few days to see if it subsides. Should take only 3-4 days max if it is just a pinched nipple or something.

Any thoughts guys? I've come too far to just stop taking this drug, but i sure as hell don't want boobs....As far as lumps go i've always had fatty pecs, so there is always kinda lumps in my pecs (soft fat i guess, always been there)

Sounds like gyno to me. :cry:

 

[Diddy]

man, my chest was bugging me, so i decided screw it and started prodding around my pecs. Well, the soreness is inside. In fact its basically when i flex my pecs there is an area of fat there. Now if i squeeze the harder portions of this fat, there is one area is very sore when squeezed. It is harder tissue, not skin. Thing is i've always had these "fatty" deposits, just never sore....

What the heck should i do???
1/4 proscar for 8 months as of yesterday.

Anyone ever experience this and it didn't turn into gyno??

 

[The Gardener]

Grrrr... I would have loved to watch you do that.

Kidding of course, big boy... hehehe.. :twisted:
It could be a lipoma-type fat deposit... these are hardened fat deposits that are found just under the skin's surface. They usually are not painful, but if you play around with them as much as you seem to be playing with yours, I suppose it could get a bit irritated?

 

[Dice_Has_Hair]

man, my chest was bugging me, so i decided screw it and started prodding around my pecs. Well, the soreness is inside. In fact its basically when i flex my pecs there is an area of fat there. Now if i squeeze the harder portions of this fat, there is one area is very sore when squeezed. It is harder tissue, not skin. Thing is i've always had these "fatty" deposits, just never sore....

What the heck should i do???
1/4 proscar for 8 months as of yesterday.

Anyone ever experience this and it didn't turn into gyno??

You need to find something that will lower or block the estrogen. Nolvadex maybe. Adding soy products might help.Add green tea or green tea extract also.

 

[garthbrooks]

i thought soy raised estrogen levels?

 

[The Gardener]

I think you are correct, Garth, but that is one tidbit of knowledge that a machismo-man like myself would never admit knowing in a public forum such as this.

 

[Dice_Has_Hair]

i thought soy raised estrogen levels?

You might be right. I might have made a mistake. I read somewhere that it's supposed to block estrogen recepter sites. I might have read wrong. Sorry. But I believe green tea is supposed to be good for it though.I've been using soy products to help my hair. It's supposed to lower 5-alpha reductase in the body. If it makes more estrogen then why is my sex drive very high and I have no feminine side effects. I been using it for about 1 year now along with other hair treatments.

 

[Diddy]

You know what more and more i feel like it is early gyno...
I came across this somewhere else

"Eating lots of fat increases blood levels of estrogen because fat in the intestines increases estrogen absorption"

Well, for the past 2 months, i've been bulking up in weight lifting, and have since gained about 8 pounds. Thing is my fat intake has increased by nearly 4x-5x. Its all the damn peanut butter i eat.

I'm still going to wait a few days to see if discomfort goes away naturally. if it is gyno shouldn't it persist? Like Mr Telogen had discomfort for a few weeks i think? Anyone know? I'd hate to brush it off because of no more pain, and then wake up with D cups.....

Also I've read that in something like 60% of finas induced gyno it naturally remits, anyone ever experience otherwise???

 

[Dice_Has_Hair]

You know what more and more i feel like it is early gyno...
I came across this somewhere else

"Eating lots of fat increases blood levels of estrogen because fat in the intestines increases estrogen absorption"

Well, for the past 2 months, i've been bulking up in weight lifting, and have since gained about 8 pounds. Thing is my fat intake has increased by nearly 4x-5x. Its all the damn peanut butter i eat.

I'm still going to wait a few days to see if discomfort goes away naturally. if it is gyno shouldn't it persist? Like Mr Telogen had discomfort for a few weeks i think? Anyone know? I'd hate to brush it off because of no more pain, and then wake up with D cups.....

Also I've read that in something like 60% of finas induced gyno it naturally remits, anyone ever experience otherwise???

Peanut butter also has chemicals in it that may increase estrogen.

 

[Stingray]

Well, you'll be needing to visit THIS SITE a lot then.

Good luck with your manbreasts.

 

[Hairybush1]

Natural peanut butter fat really isnt that bad for you. Its a good fat. What probably happened is the proscar just caused your test levels to go up and in turn your body's estrogen level went up, then you got gyno.

That is one of the possible side effects of finasteride.

As far as your bulk cycle goes, it shouldnt be much different than a "cutting diet cycle", other than the volume of food you should be eating. Gaining a whole bunch of fat that you'll need to burn off later anyway will cause you to burn precious muscle as well. The less fat you need to lose after a bulk diet, means more muscle spared when you start to decrease calories because you wont have to diet as long or as hard.

Stick with low glycemic carbs like oatmeal, brown rice, yams. Eat lots of protein like fish, some beef (when bulking), eggs, whey protien, cheeses (when bulking), chicken breats and get your fat from natural peanut butter (when bulking), flax seed oil, salmon.

Good luck.

 

[Sben]

Re: crap, chest soreness is not surface, it's deep...crap...

dude, did you try going to dermatologist to see what can be done with your under skin bumps…I have same situation I have those bumps new a few places like upper leg, chest and back….let me know if your dermatologist prescribe something for you

well guys friday and saturday i went out and got really hammered. Woke up sunday, was putting on my shirt, and noticed my right nipple felt really sensitive. I went and kinda poked it, and noticed that behind my nipple when i pinch it it feels sore...today it is still sore.

Now i don't remember anyone pinching my nipple or anything, but it is very possible since i don't remember much from saturday at all.
However this doesn't feel like my actual nipple is sore, its like just beneath my nipple....

I seem to recall that alcoholic men tend to develop gyno because alcohol apparantly increases estrogen temporarily right? Anyone think my binge coupled with 8 months of finasteride could have pushed levels slightly too high??

I'm gonna wait a few days to see if it subsides. Should take only 3-4 days max if it is just a pinched nipple or something.

Any thoughts guys? I've come too far to just stop taking this drug, but i sure as hell don't want boobs....As far as lumps go i've always had fatty pecs, so there is always kinda lumps in my pecs (soft fat i guess, always been there)[/b]

 

[Dice_Has_Hair]

A miracle? That's what we're all looking for. As of right now, NO! If you find one let us know,

 

[Diddy]

bah, weird feeling is still there tonight, in fact kinda flares up througout the day, and feels like a burning sensation. I'm quiting finasteride for a week, and then gonna go back on at lower dosage. Anyone else have success doing this (HairLossTalk.com i know you've done this correct?, considering you are now no longer taking finasteride i guess it didn't work, but maybe for a while it did?)

 

[Dice_Has_Hair]

bah, weird feeling is still there tonight, in fact kinda flares up througout the day, and feels like a burning sensation. I'm quiting finasteride for a week, and then gonna go back on at lower dosage. Anyone else have success doing this (HairLossTalk.com i know you've done this correct?, considering you are now no longer taking finasteride i guess it didn't work, but maybe for a while it did?)

Yes a lower dosage might be wise.