Crap I think I have gyno. What's the alternatives?

[davidHair]

I posted awhile back about possibly taking Propecia to combat my hairloss. Was a bit hesitant to try it because of all the horror stories going on here. I think one or two of you guys convinced me that the bad stories here weren't that common (and those ppl are just here to complain so stats are wrong), to take the plunge anyway and see how things work out.

Well I've only taken the drug for a couple of months and not long enough to know whether it's working or not yet cause I'm still shedding. During this time I noticed that I it was giving me an erection problem which I thought was just placebo. And even if it was really the drug, I thought that hell, I'd rather have my hair than a boner any day.

But only until recently I've started to notice (actually my gf was the one who noticed first) that my nipples are beginning to perk up. They aren't big, but there's like a small cone shape to them that just sort of puffs out. When I touch them there's no pain but there's seems to be a little hard lump on both of them. I saw a doctor on it this morning, but he admits that he doesn't have much knowledge on it and tells me to stop taking Propecia.

So guys, is this suppose to go away if i just simply stop taking the drug? Or is there some kind of estrogen blocker I can get that'll help with this, because I really don't want to go under the knife for $3,000.

Also I'm still not giving up the fight. What's the alternative solutions I can try to "stop" my haiross besides Propecia? Rogaine doesn't seem to work that well for me, and at best it may only grow new hairs but not stop the problem.

If anybody has input or thoughts, please let me know. I dread being a bald dude with b**ch tits.

-David

 

[Jm0311]

And even if it was really the drug, I thought that hell, I'd rather have my hair than a boner any day.

Are you really serious? you must need help

well maybe you were the 2 percent and also...might be a spammer...hmm

 

[davidHair]

And even if it was really the drug, I thought that hell, I'd rather have my hair than a boner any day.

Are you really serious? you must need help

well maybe you were the 2 percent and also...might be a spammer...hmm

Ummm...what's with the spammer comment? and what are YOU TALKING ABOUT?

I came to this forum to find help and info about my hairloss a couple of months ago and this site was the first one to pop up on Google. I checked all the info, read the horror stories and taken into account the risks, and asked you guys for advice on whether the horror stories were common or not!

One or two of you reassured me that I should GIVE it a try and I agreed with it. I still agree that this is sound advice and it's better to do SOMETHING than nothing at all. And I appreciate that advice.

Look man. If you actually read my first post on this thread I was trying to be as calm as possible for a very SERIOUS issue that I'm having here. I've read some of the lame debate on the 2% of people stuff. And quite frankly I don't give a care whether it's 2%, 10%, or 200%.

All I care about is that I'm having serious side effects, and I'm looking for some advice. Not for some random dude to be a jerk and call me a 2% or question me as a "spammer". If you don't have any advice to give ther than this uncaring statement, please don't respond at all.

Sorry that I lost my cool on this post. But if you or anybody else have some helpful advice or genuinely give a care, please help.

 

[Jm0311]

yea sorry about that..

well are you taking any other meds besides finasteride? and also the truth may hurt but you may be the 2 percent..but i think those figures are higher.
ALSO. there are things you can take if you read up on the bodybuilding forums. i dont know much about that.

 

[davidHair]

Thanks for a better second reponse dude. No I'm not taking any other meds besides finasteride.

Again I don't really care much whether I'm 2% or not, nor do I want my thread to wrap up in some crappy debate. I just want a solution or alternative options I can explore...

 

[Axl15]

have you seen a better doctor who is more aware of the sides for finasteride? and can offer alternatives . . i dont know but it seems to me that doctors care more about their pockets than their patients.

Good Luck, I hope sh*t gets better let us know cause i might be getting on finasteride so if this sh*t happens i wouldnt mind to know how i can fix it :S

 

[SkylineGTR]

if you search here is a previous post by Harie quoted.

On to Gyno & other dutasteride/finasteride problems.

Gyno: The best course of action for correcting gyno is to catch it early and try like hell to stop it. Your best bet to combat gyno, if caught early on, is either Nolvadex, Clomid, Letrozole, Clomiphene, Tamoxifen, Raloxifene and/or Rebound Reloaded.

" A restrospective review of patients with persistent pubertal gynecomastia who received either raloxifene (n = 10) or tamoxifen (n = 15) reported a decrease in gynecomastia in 12 of 14 breasts (86 percent) and 20 of 22 (91 percent) breasts in the raloxifene and tamoxifen groups, respectively. More patients in the raloxifene group experienced a 50 percent reduction in the breast glandular tissue (86 versus 41 percent in the raloxifene and tamoxifen groups, respectively). However, only 3 of the 10 patients in the raloxifene group and one of the 15 patients in the tamoxifen group had complete resolution of the gynecomastia in both breasts."
The above taken from http://www.gynecomastia.org/cgi-bin/gyn ... 1;start=15

If Nolvadex and/or Clomid does not get rid of your gyno, the next step is to try Rebound XT or Rebound Reloaded. Both versions of Rebound drastically reduce estrogen levels while increasing testosterone levels. Users of Rebound have reported marked decreases in size of gyno or complete elimination of all gyno in a very short amount of time.

When using Rebound Reloaded or Rebound XT, you should take steps to have a 5ar blocker such as finasteride or dutasteride (but you're taking that already if you're reading this). Smile

If it were me, I would try using Rebound Reloaded followed by a month or two of Raloxifene. All the aforementioned products can be obtained without a script if you know where to look.

The last problem that one may possibly get while on finasteride/dutasteride is testicle shrinkage. It is very easy to correct this if it happens. Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin is commonly used to correct testicle shrinkage in steroid users. To properly use HGC, one should do the following.

250 - 500iu/day for 1 week.

In retrospect, I'd go see a doctor if you have testicle shrinkage unless you know how to shoot up yourself and do it safely.

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[hairwegoagain]

I just want a solution or alternative options I can explore...

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[Beethoven]

I just want a solution or alternative options I can explore...

Welcome to "War of the Topicals".
I also had weak erections due to finasteride, and I think I'm low respondent to minoxidil.
First your need something topical to fight DHT: first shot is topical spironolactone (I had trouble with that, but I guess I'm a very very rare case, see my story in my signature for details, I still advice topical users to at least try topical spironolactone first, it's considered "semi-proven" and pretty cheap), second shot could be fluridil (much more expensive, also only "semi-proven", but zero side effects).
Another important angle that you can add to your fight is copper based product like Prox-N/Folligen/Tricomin.
And last you can add other regorowth stimulants like Aminexil(inside DNC - togther with minoxidil, or Vichy standalone product), Tricosaccaride (Foltene), Appleploy (again in DNC or standalone products).

Good luck!

 

[AssignmentZero]

Hey,

Just a side question. If you are on finasteride and begin to see signs of gyno, will stopping finasteride stop the gyno (stop it at the stage it is currently in) or will gyno still progress even though you've stopped taking finasteride?

Thanks

 

[SkylineGTR]

it'll go away if you stop it.

 

[steve333]

gyno

Went to two doctors with confirmed case of mild gyno and other sides due to finasteride and saw palmetto. Both Told me should subside after 6 months


Now trying to go on a healthy diet plus exercise as recommended by doctor to counter too much estrogen etc..

Having researched found that the below are meant to counter act effects of too much estrogen

Brocolli
Cabbage
Brusell sprouts
Onions
citrus fruits

Told to avoid soya and alcohol

 

[BEHMESH]

I hope the puffiness i got from finasteride will be gone soon. I quit finasteride 3 months ago.

Do you guys know if using topical spironolactone will affect this puffiness? Stop it from going away or making it worse?

 

[CJ1980]

I think the gyno has to be developing for something like 6 months before it becomes permanent. I believe that if you stop the propecia before that time is up the gyne should go away. If I started to develop b**ch tits I would get off the medication immediately.

 

[Far Too Young]

I've read on multiple sites, even the Mayo Clinic's, that mary-j is a cause of gynecomastia? Does anyone know anything else about this?

 

[Jm0311]

yes i use topical spironolactone....will this effect anything?


i caught this early if i even have gyno..i feel a lump in my breast area....what should i do?

 

[Harie]

yes i use topical spironolactone....will this effect anything?


i caught this early if i even have gyno..i feel a lump in my breast area....what should i do?

Summed up.

Anti-E = Adex, Aromasin or Letrozole
High Prolactin = Selegiline or Cabser
More fat being stored in your chest = Yohimburn
Cardio

 

[joseph49853]

Intense cardio is the one I tried. As long as gyno is exhibited as fat and not tissue, it can definitely be reversed without any surgery. Some people have weird hormone inbalances, which can be easily exacerbated and cause an inevitable tissue build-up. Not everyone is THAT unlucky.