Critical Decision: Help Me Choose A Strip Surgeon For First hair transplant On Virgin Scalp

Taking into account Price/Value which Doctor should I go with for FUT/Strip?

  • Dr Damkerng Pathomvanich of Thailand

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Drs Hasson & Wong of Vancouver

    Votes: 7 70.0%
  • Dr Steven Gabel of Portland, OR

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Dr Rahal of Canada

    Votes: 9 90.0%
  • Dr Alexander of Phoenix, AZ

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    10

jcs87

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Hi all, I've been lurking on this forum for the past couple of months. Tremendous resource and I know so much more than I did just a few months ago.

I have decided that I am going to get a hair transplant to restore density to my hairline and fill in some of my temple angles - although I would be interested if folks here think I am doing this at too young of an age/stage of hair loss...

First the basics:

Age: 29
Location: Virginia, USA (East Coast / Mid-Atlantic area)
Age I started losing hair: Probably really started to notice it around 20 years old.
Past Surgeries: None
Treatment: Taken Propecia for the past 3 years. It definitely helped. I think it probably added some density in the crown and mid-scalp areas but the temples are still continuing to recede, albeit at a slower pace compared to when I wasn't on propecia.

I've used Rogaine on and off but I never felt like it was doing much and it would sometimes give me an itchy scalp so I haven't used it in about 12 months.

Ideally I'd like to get off Propecia because I don't like messing with my body's hormones like that and I've felt like the libido side effects have hit me at times (but never bad enough to stop taking the meds). But I am pretty sure that if I were ever to do that then my hair loss would come back with a vengeance...so I'm sort of on the fence about future propecia usage.

Most likely procedure: I'm leaning towards FUT Strip at this point

Based on a lot of research and consultations I've narrowed my list down to five top doctors (all prices have been converted to $USD so these prices will fluctuate a little bit with exchange rates). Also each doctor's treatment plan / pricing structure is slightly different but I assumed 2,500 grafts so that I could do an apples to apples comparison:

All Prices converted to $USD:

Dr. Pathomvanich in Thailand - $2.66 per graft for a total cost of $6,700
Drs. Hasson & Wong in Vancouver - $3.91 per graft. Total cost of $9,500 (this price factors in a $800 travel credit)
Dr Rahal in Canada - $3.88 per graft. Total cost of $9,700 (this price factors in a $1,000 travel credit and $1,500 in taxes)
Dr Alexander in Phoenix, AZ USA - $4 per graft = total cost of $10,000
Dr Gabel in Portland, OR USA - $4 per graft + $500 setup fee = total cost of $10,500

I'm basically looking to balance price with skill/quality.
As far as I can tell all of these doctors are very skilled and widely respected. Dr Path is significantly cheaper than the other three (and I go to vacation in Thailand once a year so I was thinking I could kill two birds with one stone and do the surgery while I'm there anyways.) That being said, if the consensus is that one of the other three doctors is far and away a much better surgeon then perhaps I'd reconsider and spend the extra money...

I'm leaning towards Dr Path and just scheduled a surgery date for mid Feb'17 (I still have ~10 days to cancel without any penalty though). The price is right and he seems to be quite well respected but I have some concerns:

1. It sounds like his nurses do all of the graft placement - he only handles the strip removal and lateral slit incisions. I would prefer that my doctor is involved in every step of the process (even though I understand it would be impossible for him to plant every single graft)
2. I came across this very negative hair transplant experience that someone had on hair Restoration Network: Can't seem to insert the link due to spam filters
3. In that same thread there are a number of people chiming in saying that Dr Path's results have gone downhill in the past year or two.
4. On the other hand, I have gone through countless threads posted by both patients and by Dr Path himself and the results seem good so I may be allowing a few negative experience to stress me out too much
5. Dr Path received very strong endorsements from Dr Wong (2006) and Dr Parsley (2002)

I'd love to get some feedback on (1) How appropriate a hair transplant would be for me at this point in time (2) Which doctor to go with.

Thanks everyone!

Also, a quick guide to the photos:

The ones with a buzzed head are from 2013 and 2014 - As you can see it looks like I'm destined to be a Norwood 6..but Propecia has been very helpful in halting and reversing some of this. Still, noticeable receding hairline and miniaturization of hairs in the front.

The one taken outdoors in a grey t shirt was done with pretty wet hair to fully showcase my hair loss

The ones outdoors/indoors in a brown jacket were taken at a BBQ so they are showing what the hair looks like in the wild when it is recently cut and styled (hair doesn't look nearly as bad in these angles). No concealers.

The selfie style with a sweater on (taken while I'm seated) is probably the best representation of what my hair looks like these days when it is dry and styled normally (no concealers or anything else were used in this photo). The mid-scalp and crown are perfectly acceptable but the front third, hairline, and temples, are what bother me at this point.

Lastly, the selfies with no shirt on are what the hair looks like when I comb the hair forward to illustrate the hair loss (I never style my hair like this though)


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sunchyme1

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heading for a norwood 6, youd be f*****g nuts to get a strip done and come off propecia.

why not look into fue? least you can still shave your head and look normal if that day comes
 

jcs87

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heading for a norwood 6, youd be f*****g nuts to get a strip done and come off propecia.

why not look into fue? least you can still shave your head and look normal if that day comes

lol, appreciate the honesty. I had been leaning FUT since it sounds like transection rates are lower and you can get more grafts in one pass. The other major factor is that FUE is just so damn expensive. At $10,000USD for FUT I'm already a bit uncomfortable, dropping 15-20K for FUE just seems insane to me
 

sunchyme1

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lol, appreciate the honesty. I had been leaning FUT since it sounds like transection rates are lower and you can get more grafts in one pass. The other major factor is that FUE is just so damn expensive. At $10,000USD for FUT I'm already a bit uncomfortable, dropping 15-20K for FUE just seems insane to me

i know f*****g crazy prices. supply and demand..what can u do?

anyway, if your happy to stick with propecia then fut is fine. but if you stop ill think you seriously regret it getting fut.

i dunno man, im not an expert, hopefully others here give their opinion.

i tried finasteride myself and got sides so im def not doing fut if i do have surgery in the future
 

michel sapin

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i don't understad where are the before and after propecia picture ; so propecia maintain your crown but not your hairline ? no sides such as gyno or puffy nipples ?
 

jcs87

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i don't understad where are the before and after propecia picture ; so propecia maintain your crown but not your hairline ? no sides such as gyno or puffy nipples ?

Sorry, thought the file names would show up which has the dates. So the first photo (head tilted back w/ navy shower curtain in background) is from August 2015. Head tilted back with orange and blue criss cross dress shirt is from January 2014.

5th photo from the left (to the right of blue/orange criss cross shirt) is from January 2016.

Next photo over (6th from the left) is from November 2013.
 

diffuse_thinner

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Hi all, I've been lurking on this forum for the past couple of months. Tremendous resource and I know so much more than I did just a few months ago.

I have decided that I am going to get a hair transplant to restore density to my hairline and fill in some of my temple angles - although I would be interested if folks here think I am doing this at too young of an age/stage of hair loss...

First the basics:

Age: 29
Location: Virginia, USA (East Coast / Mid-Atlantic area)
Age I started losing hair: Probably really started to notice it around 20 years old.
Past Surgeries: None
Treatment: Taken Propecia for the past 3 years. It definitely helped. I think it probably added some density in the crown and mid-scalp areas but the temples are still continuing to recede, albeit at a slower pace compared to when I wasn't on propecia.

I've used Rogaine on and off but I never felt like it was doing much and it would sometimes give me an itchy scalp so I haven't used it in about 12 months.

Ideally I'd like to get off Propecia because I don't like messing with my body's hormones like that and I've felt like the libido side effects have hit me at times (but never bad enough to stop taking the meds). But I am pretty sure that if I were ever to do that then my hair loss would come back with a vengeance...so I'm sort of on the fence about future propecia usage.

Most likely procedure: I'm leaning towards FUT Strip at this point

Based on a lot of research and consultations I've narrowed my list down to five top doctors (all prices have been converted to $USD so these prices will fluctuate a little bit with exchange rates). Also each doctor's treatment plan / pricing structure is slightly different but I assumed 2,500 grafts so that I could do an apples to apples comparison:

All Prices converted to $USD:

Dr. Pathomvanich in Thailand - $2.66 per graft for a total cost of $6,700
Drs. Hasson & Wong in Vancouver - $3.91 per graft. Total cost of $9,500 (this price factors in a $800 travel credit)
Dr Rahal in Canada - $3.88 per graft. Total cost of $9,700 (this price factors in a $1,000 travel credit and $1,500 in taxes)
Dr Alexander in Phoenix, AZ USA - $4 per graft = total cost of $10,000
Dr Gabel in Portland, OR USA - $4 per graft + $500 setup fee = total cost of $10,500

I'm basically looking to balance price with skill/quality.
As far as I can tell all of these doctors are very skilled and widely respected. Dr Path is significantly cheaper than the other three (and I go to vacation in Thailand once a year so I was thinking I could kill two birds with one stone and do the surgery while I'm there anyways.) That being said, if the consensus is that one of the other three doctors is far and away a much better surgeon then perhaps I'd reconsider and spend the extra money...

I'm leaning towards Dr Path and just scheduled a surgery date for mid Feb'17 (I still have ~10 days to cancel without any penalty though). The price is right and he seems to be quite well respected but I have some concerns:

1. It sounds like his nurses do all of the graft placement - he only handles the strip removal and lateral slit incisions. I would prefer that my doctor is involved in every step of the process (even though I understand it would be impossible for him to plant every single graft)
2. I came across this very negative hair transplant experience that someone had on hair Restoration Network: Can't seem to insert the link due to spam filters
3. In that same thread there are a number of people chiming in saying that Dr Path's results have gone downhill in the past year or two.
4. On the other hand, I have gone through countless threads posted by both patients and by Dr Path himself and the results seem good so I may be allowing a few negative experience to stress me out too much
5. Dr Path received very strong endorsements from Dr Wong (2006) and Dr Parsley (2002)

I'd love to get some feedback on (1) How appropriate a hair transplant would be for me at this point in time (2) Which doctor to go with.

Thanks everyone!

Also, a quick guide to the photos:

The ones with a buzzed head are from 2013 and 2014 - As you can see it looks like I'm destined to be a Norwood 6..but Propecia has been very helpful in halting and reversing some of this. Still, noticeable receding hairline and miniaturization of hairs in the front.

The one taken outdoors in a grey t shirt was done with pretty wet hair to fully showcase my hair loss

The ones outdoors/indoors in a brown jacket were taken at a BBQ so they are showing what the hair looks like in the wild when it is recently cut and styled (hair doesn't look nearly as bad in these angles). No concealers.

The selfie style with a sweater on (taken while I'm seated) is probably the best representation of what my hair looks like these days when it is dry and styled normally (no concealers or anything else were used in this photo). The mid-scalp and crown are perfectly acceptable but the front third, hairline, and temples, are what bother me at this point.

Lastly, the selfies with no shirt on are what the hair looks like when I comb the hair forward to illustrate the hair loss (I never style my hair like this though)


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I started reading the hair loss forums in 2002 and resumed last year after a long break. Imo, the two strip clinics that have stood the test of time are H&W and Shapiro. Pathomvanich is a reasonable and affordable option too. He is an innovator and Dr Wong has spoken highly of him.
 

jcs87

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I started reading the hair loss forums in 2002 and resumed last year after a long break. Imo, the two strip clinics that have stood the test of time are H&W and Shapiro. Pathomvanich is a reasonable and affordable option too. He is an innovator and Dr Wong has spoken highly of him.

Thanks for the input. Yeah I've been hearing Shapiro get mentioned a lot so I think I am going to do a consult with him and include him on my short list if that consultation goes well.

Basically what I am trying to figure out is this: It seems like pretty much everyone agrees that the Shapiro's and H&W's are on a different level than Dr Path. But what I am trying to determine is just how much of a difference there is. I.E. if we took a 100 point scale and said Shapiro is a 99-100 then is Dr Path a 96? Because in that case perhaps there is an argument to be made to save $3000-$4000 and go with him. Or are we saying Dr Path is an 82, in which case it is most likely worth it to pay the extra money and get that big jump in quality.
 

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Hi all, I've been lurking on this forum for the past couple of months. Tremendous resource and I know so much more than I did just a few months ago.

I have decided that I am going to get a hair transplant to restore density to my hairline and fill in some of my temple angles - although I would be interested if folks here think I am doing this at too young of an age/stage of hair loss...

First the basics:

Age: 29
Location: Virginia, USA (East Coast / Mid-Atlantic area)
Age I started losing hair: Probably really started to notice it around 20 years old.
Past Surgeries: None
Treatment: Taken Propecia for the past 3 years. It definitely helped. I think it probably added some density in the crown and mid-scalp areas but the temples are still continuing to recede, albeit at a slower pace compared to when I wasn't on propecia.

I've used Rogaine on and off but I never felt like it was doing much and it would sometimes give me an itchy scalp so I haven't used it in about 12 months.

Ideally I'd like to get off Propecia because I don't like messing with my body's hormones like that and I've felt like the libido side effects have hit me at times (but never bad enough to stop taking the meds). But I am pretty sure that if I were ever to do that then my hair loss would come back with a vengeance...so I'm sort of on the fence about future propecia usage.

Most likely procedure: I'm leaning towards FUT Strip at this point

Based on a lot of research and consultations I've narrowed my list down to five top doctors (all prices have been converted to $USD so these prices will fluctuate a little bit with exchange rates). Also each doctor's treatment plan / pricing structure is slightly different but I assumed 2,500 grafts so that I could do an apples to apples comparison:

All Prices converted to $USD:

Dr. Pathomvanich in Thailand - $2.66 per graft for a total cost of $6,700
Drs. Hasson & Wong in Vancouver - $3.91 per graft. Total cost of $9,500 (this price factors in a $800 travel credit)
Dr Rahal in Canada - $3.88 per graft. Total cost of $9,700 (this price factors in a $1,000 travel credit and $1,500 in taxes)
Dr Alexander in Phoenix, AZ USA - $4 per graft = total cost of $10,000
Dr Gabel in Portland, OR USA - $4 per graft + $500 setup fee = total cost of $10,500

I'm basically looking to balance price with skill/quality.
As far as I can tell all of these doctors are very skilled and widely respected. Dr Path is significantly cheaper than the other three (and I go to vacation in Thailand once a year so I was thinking I could kill two birds with one stone and do the surgery while I'm there anyways.) That being said, if the consensus is that one of the other three doctors is far and away a much better surgeon then perhaps I'd reconsider and spend the extra money...

I'm leaning towards Dr Path and just scheduled a surgery date for mid Feb'17 (I still have ~10 days to cancel without any penalty though). The price is right and he seems to be quite well respected but I have some concerns:

1. It sounds like his nurses do all of the graft placement - he only handles the strip removal and lateral slit incisions. I would prefer that my doctor is involved in every step of the process (even though I understand it would be impossible for him to plant every single graft)
2. I came across this very negative hair transplant experience that someone had on hair Restoration Network: Can't seem to insert the link due to spam filters
3. In that same thread there are a number of people chiming in saying that Dr Path's results have gone downhill in the past year or two.
4. On the other hand, I have gone through countless threads posted by both patients and by Dr Path himself and the results seem good so I may be allowing a few negative experience to stress me out too much
5. Dr Path received very strong endorsements from Dr Wong (2006) and Dr Parsley (2002)

I'd love to get some feedback on (1) How appropriate a hair transplant would be for me at this point in time (2) Which doctor to go with.

Thanks everyone!

Also, a quick guide to the photos:

The ones with a buzzed head are from 2013 and 2014 - As you can see it looks like I'm destined to be a Norwood 6..but Propecia has been very helpful in halting and reversing some of this. Still, noticeable receding hairline and miniaturization of hairs in the front.

The one taken outdoors in a grey t shirt was done with pretty wet hair to fully showcase my hair loss

The ones outdoors/indoors in a brown jacket were taken at a BBQ so they are showing what the hair looks like in the wild when it is recently cut and styled (hair doesn't look nearly as bad in these angles). No concealers.

The selfie style with a sweater on (taken while I'm seated) is probably the best representation of what my hair looks like these days when it is dry and styled normally (no concealers or anything else were used in this photo). The mid-scalp and crown are perfectly acceptable but the front third, hairline, and temples, are what bother me at this point.

Lastly, the selfies with no shirt on are what the hair looks like when I comb the hair forward to illustrate the hair loss (I never style my hair like this though)


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follicle2001

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Despite what many here say, FUT is a very good choice for lots of people. Most of the talk about FUT scars around here is overblown, and most FUT procedures have higher yields than most FUE procedures. I like your 2nd and 4th choices, but there are other good options in the USA too.
 

shookwun

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Forgot to factor in your 1500 flight to thailand, following by many other expenses. Which leaves you at similar costs to other north American surgeons.


As for fut, my fut scar with rahal is nearly invisible. I am comfortably able to have my hair short, and have a pencil thin scar that's easily covered by a #2 grade.

FUT is good if you have reasonable density
 

Pequod

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From the photos you seem to only need work on the front hairline area, even 2000 grafts might be enough to do the job.
 
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