Crowd Funding Dr. Xu

[JZA70]

Sammy, we are working on the project and try to make dermal papilla cells. It is slowly moving and not easy. We will probably need 1-2 million dollars to accomplish this.
Thanks
George

Xiaowei Xu, MD PhD
Associate Professor
University of Pennsylvania

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/2014/01/xu/

I'll be starting a crowd funding campaign for this. I'm confirming that his university can accept the funds that we collect before I begin.

If anyone can help build a website or help with ideas, feel free to chime in.

I'll keep you posted as I find out more information.

 

[hellouser]

You can't throw money at them at a whim. That's just like going for target practice and firing with the lights turned off.

Say you raise the 2 million dollars and they still don't have functioning dermal papilla's... what then? You've essentially wasted all your efforts and you'll find yourself going back to square one. We need solid evidence that their findings work so we can put them through clinical trials in Japan for a fast release. Current regulations allow conditional commercialization of a product during Phase II trials for stem cell therapy. THIS is where our focus should be.

 

[JZA70]

Absolutely. If he's confident that he will be able to make new DP cells, then I think we should give it a go.

2 Million is a small amount in the crowd funding world. He may be one of our few hopes.

 

[Python]

Crowdfunding has to have a clear objective or else it can't move forward. Dr. Cots is a bad choice for crowdfunding because the contributors are going to want to know how it works and Dr. Cots won't give any info ever. He needs to come clean with his wounding technique and show real evidence it worked. In reality, we have not had any evidence. We need to fund lauster.

A website is so simple to setup these days. It would take me 1 day to set one up.

 

[JZA70]

I asked Dr. Xu if his university would accept crowd funding for this project -

Sammy, I am working with our University on this. They are working on a new policy on this. I will let you know. Thanks

Xiaowei Xu, MD PhD
Associate Professor
University of Pennsylvania

A website is so simple to setup these days. It would take me 1 day to set one up.

Are you any good at it ? If someone on here can set up a website, that would be better than me paying someone to do it.

 

[hellouser]

Are you any good at it ? If someone on here can set up a website, that would be better than me paying someone to do it.

Template websites can be done in a day. But these are useless; SEO, integration, customization, additional pages, widgets, etc. will be really difficult to adjust. It's best to get someone from within the community thats a web developer to do it. But have a design FIRST.

 

[JZA70]

It's best to get someone from within the community thats a web developer to do it.

Doubt anyone on here or BTT is a web developer. I'll probably have to find one locally.

But have a design FIRST.

That's where everyone needs to help chip it with ideas.

Who do you think would be the best to fund ? If Dr. Xu says his university can accept the funds and he's confident that he can make new DP cells,
should we give it a go ? I want to here your opinion since you've been in the game for a long time.

 

[hellouser]

Doubt anyone on here or BTT is a web developer. I'll probably have to find one locally.



That's where everyone needs to help chip it with ideas.

Who do you think would be the best to fund ? If Dr. Xu says his university can accept the funds and he's confident that he can make new DP cells,
should we give it a go ? I want to here your opinion since you've been in the game for a long time.

Finding developers is easy. It won't be a complex site anyway so the amount of work that will go into it won't be daunting. The design of the site will take much longer though as we'll need to iron out all the sections and features of the site.

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Who do you think would be the best to fund ? If Dr. Xu says his university can accept the funds and he's confident that he can make new DP cells,
should we give it a go ? I want to here your opinion since you've been in the game for a long time.

Nobody at this point. But if you had to squeeze my arm I'd say Dr. Lauster's team.

 

[waynakyo]

I would be in for crowdfunding if:

- he allows a reoresentative of our community (someone like desmond) to visit his lab and attend a presenttion on their progress, twice a year or so...

- the money will be disbursed in several installements, which allows us to stop if they hit a dead end or do not make progress...

 

[resu]

Boldy went to Nigan and he vouched for him, even said that his lab was verified and we all know how that turned out. I'm out of any crowd funding, just don't see the point how it would be of any help when it comes to science and health, cancer research has tons of funding and support and we still haven't cracked that out. Only exception would be funding for trials because we would know that the method worked and to what extent.

 

[hellouser]

Boldy went to Nigan and he vouched for him, even said that his lab was verified and we all know how that turned out. I'm out of any crowd funding, just don't see the point how it would be of any help when it comes to science and health, cancer research has tons of funding and support and we still haven't cracked that out. Only exception would be funding for trials because we would know that the method worked and to what extent.

That's more or less my train of thought, but the funds would only be given if the research term agreed to our terms:

1. Run the trials in Japan
2. Mandatory conditional release of the treatment under Japan's regulations during Phase II trials.

This would guarantee an expedited process. No dicking around the FDA and waiting 10+ years.

 

[Python]

I asked Dr. Xu if his university would accept crowd funding for this project -

Sammy, I am working with our University on this. They are working on a new policy on this. I will let you know. Thanks

Xiaowei Xu, MD PhD
Associate Professor
University of Pennsylvania




Are you any good at it ? If someone on here can set up a website, that would be better than me paying someone to do it.

Yes it's so simple, we can use a premium wordpress template for about $60. I can setup everything myself. I have seen countless crowdfunding websites build on website templates, as they don't have to be applications, mostly just informational.

As far as the designs are concerned, well the only thing I can see being a bit of a problem is the logo and maybe an infographic. Just like there is thousands of plugins and themes, there is also ten times as many premade logos and graphics. I do that all the time with websites. I don't care what anyone says, they all use premade material, even if it is for a big company.

So this idea that we need a fully custum design is mostly just for feeding someone's ego here. A decent template and graphics will be just as good, cheaper and faster.

 

[hellouser]

Yes it's so simple, we can use a premium wordpress template for about $60. I can setup everything myself. I have seen countless crowdfunding websites build on website templates, as they don't have to be applications, mostly just informational.

As far as the designs are concerned, well the only thing I can see being a bit of a problem is the logo and maybe an infographic. Just like there is thousands of plugins and themes, there is also ten times as many premade logos and graphics. I do that all the time with websites. I don't care what anyone says, they all use premade material, even if it is for a big company.

So this idea that we need a fully custum design is mostly just for feeding someone's ego here. A decent template and graphics will be just as good, cheaper and faster.

If you've ever done non profit work you'd quickly find out how much work goes into this. You're approaching this backwards. You can't simply take a template and force everything to reflect that. That's like trying to fit a square block through a circular opening. It WILL cause issues. I've looked into this already; using Indiegogo to power the donations. Problem is, you don't want to direct people to their site after they've already come onto your site. This is counterproductive and confusing as visitors will then question the security and credibility. You need a platform that will allow the donations to be directly on the site through an API, however Indiegogo doesn't currently have this and as far as I know, neither do any others; BIG PROBLEM.

Secondly, simply throwing up a page without any kind of creative push with a campaign will get you nowhere. This isn't even up for debate. You're going to waste your efforts and ultimately annoy the hair loss community with a first failed approach like this.

Creating a logo and an infographic is NOT an issue. I have a logo and name already created. That's the easy part. Inographic is also easy. The difficult part will be how to attract attention on a global scale and hope it goes viral... for this you'll need a strategy, one thats thought out and ironed out with a team effort. You know how 'two heads are better than one' ? Well... if you intend on raising millions of dollars, you better intend on not cutting corners.

 

[Python]

If you've ever done non profit work you'd quickly find out how much work goes into this. You're approaching this backwards. You can't simply take a template and force everything to reflect that. That's like trying to fit a square block through a circular opening. It WILL cause issues. I've looked into this already; using Indiegogo to power the donations. Problem is, you don't want to direct people to their site after they've already come onto your site. This is counterproductive and confusing as visitors will then question the security and credibility. You need a platform that will allow the donations to be directly on the site through an API, however Indiegogo doesn't currently have this and as far as I know, neither do any others; BIG PROBLEM.

Secondly, simply throwing up a page without any kind of creative push with a campaign will get you nowhere. This isn't even up for debate. You're going to waste your efforts and ultimately annoy the hair loss community with a first failed approach like this.

Creating a logo and an infographic is NOT an issue. I have a logo and name already created. That's the easy part. Inographic is also easy. The difficult part will be how to attract attention on a global scale and hope it goes viral... for this you'll need a strategy, one thats thought out and ironed out with a team effort. You know how 'two heads are better than one' ? Well... if you intend on raising millions of dollars, you better intend on not cutting corners.

All I have to say is that countless of campaigns on crowdfunding have used templates, both in theme and graphics, all you have to do is view source. Their campaigns were a total success, so how can one argue with success? By the way, I was just talking about the website and graphics, I know the hard part is the marketing, which I never said was easy or argued about it.

Anyways, this is stupid nonesense fighting. Either way we go, we can get a team together.

 

[hellouser]

Anyways, this is stupid nonesense fighting. Either way we go, we need to get a team together.

Fixed that for you.

 

[JZA70]

Dr. Lauster's team.

Don't think Desmond ever posted what Dr. Linder presented at WCHR, would be nice to know where they're at.

 

[hellouser]

Don't think Desmond ever posted what Dr. Linder presented at WCHR, would be nice to know where they're at.

Hasn't yet. He's waiting on approval from Dr. Lindner on the stuff to share from what they showed Desmond. Hopefully we'll get info sooner than later.

 

[moskva]

That's more or less my train of thought, but the funds would only be given if the research term agreed to our terms:

1. Run the trials in Japan
2. Mandatory conditional release of the treatment under Japan's regulations during Phase II trials.

This would guarantee an expedited process. No dicking around the FDA and waiting 10+ years.

+10000 couldn't agree more. The snail speed is the most disgusting thing we are facing. This have to be changed.

 

[dreamermerlin]

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/2014/01/xu/

Extract from the page in the link:

<<<the process Xu used to create iPSCs involves genetic modification of human cells with genes encoding oncogenic proteins and so needs more refinement .>>>

Onco=cancer, what i told you about the risks.

 

[I.D WALKER]

DreamMerlin your interest in the adverse health ramifications has it's fine merits that are really appreciated. I may be naïve to assert that every legitimate research group ,internationally speaking, are bound to a formal international code of ethics or mandate they must follow to ensure human safety is prioritized. Yes this universally accepted medical standard/guideline can be intentionally or even accidently circumvented, however I don't believe human trials can be approved or seen without raising controversy until these foreseeable risks are corrected or greatly reduced. You make a sensible point and I thank you.

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Back to the crowd funding project ideas; I agree that financial contingencies must be imposed. We need to be very discriminate with our fund raisind efforts and agenda. Particularly in this early and precarious phase of our development, and moreover if we wish to be recognized in the long term as both an organized and capable "special force", so to speak in the international hair loss community. My hope is that with further group involvement and action we will increase momentum and build credibility. The cost of ammunition is at record premium, so yes it is imperative to our cause to put the days of shooting in the dark behind us once and for all.