Dangers as a young male?

[blueyellowredgreen]

Hey all sorry for the naive question but I've heard some complete horror stories about young men who have taken finasteride.

I've put off taking finasteride due to only being 20 years old (increased risk of side effects?) And would like to know in your eyes what are the chances of some horrible side effect happening? I don't buy much into trial results and view the people on here to be far more in touch with the reality of the drug, hence my asking. What are some stories users can recall regarding using it at a young age?

I currently use nizoral with minoxidil however my hairline is still receding though the shedding has slowed considerably.

Thanks!

 

[IrishFella]

If you don't regard the multiple trial results regarding it's safety then it seems you are out of touch with reality, pal. How you could take an anonymous source from an internet forum(s) is beyond me.

The best advice I can give is research official, and unofficial studies, there are plenty if you Google search.

 

[donyell]

Can ya blame him???
Drug companies are smily snake in the grass MOFO's!!
Merck is no exception http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/23/merck-vaccine-fraud-story-buried.aspx

Also important to note the exclusion criteria in these trials man. Healthy men, most of which were not THAT young. Don't quote me on this but I believe the majority in most of these trials were over 30 years of age.

Fact is, there is no way to know if you will get adverse sides. The best course of action would be to get full panel blood and hormone tests as well as semen analysis before you take the drug, if you decide to do so. If all the people who propecia messed up would have done this doctors would have a way better idea on how to treat them, and on the nature of this whole PFS condition.

 

[TheEscapist]

Hair to Learn, where is the study that explains how the side effects persist? Or why? I don't mean the joke that Irwig did, I mean a legitimate study. I can't seem to find any real conclusive scientific proof that the drug is as dangerous as you believe.

 

[IrishFella]

This is laughable since propecia clinical trial reviewers questioned the drug's safety. They also admitted they didn't know how dangerous it was and suggested a strong phase IV (never happened) study if it were even to be approved. You're right, how you can take the word of an anonymous source when this anonymous source didn't even read the studies is beyond me.

@blueyellowreadgreen: Merck is on record admitting side effects don't always go away.

Don't be such a facetious a**h**. They're also unofficial studies, as in not conducted by Merck regarding it's safety. You're such a snide little weasel, you knew what I meant when I told him not to "take the word of an anonymous person on the internet", it's one thing saying "I TOOK ONE PILL AND NOW I'M IMPOTENT AND SUICIDAL" and another thing telling someone to look up legitimate, I repeat LEGITIMATE, studies.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21980923

I'm done reading your constant drivel.

 

[TheEscapist]

Dr. Irwig's study was not a joke

You can't possibly believe that. He took a small, completely biased population and ASKED, not tested, ASKED them if they thought they were having persistent side affects. His shocking discovery? 93% OF MEN WHO CLAIM PERSISTENT SIDE EFFECTS, STILL CLAIM PERSISTENT SIDE EFFECTS AFTER BEING ASKED AGAIN A LITTLE WHILE LATER.

The man has gotten more press and more air-time for that ridiculous statistical percentage than anything legitimately scientific. The majority of people reading **** like that look at a large statistic and say, "Oh em gee, it must be true!" without noticing how much of a crappy study it was.

 

[MrBastard]

Dont be naive and narrowminded. Yes, it do have a small chance of giving you PFS, and there is a chance you dont notice anything. The fact that it is "only" 1mg dont mean that it is weak. For comparison, the batrachotoxin lethal dose for a 68 kg person would be approximately 100 micrograms, or equivalent to the weight of two grains of ordinary fine table salt.

Was not Merc forced to add something to the sides warning not long ago? When you takesomething as powerfull as finasteride everyday for years you are more or less doomed to notice something sooner or later. Your hormones is not 100% rock solid from you are born to you die, it naturally alters as you age. Even daily values is changing. And finasteride interupts that.


Somethimes you just have to take a risk if you want to keep something. Most likely the sides you may notice will go away naturally.

 

[MrBastard]

Finasteride at low doses of 1mg has side effects that only last about month or so than they slowly fade away - at 1mg I am suprised anyone notices much side effects for long time - this could mean 1mg doses are excellent at suppressing dht levels - however 5mg or more is probably much higher at having side effects for sure

Read the study that is on thise page. The increased DHT supressing from 1 - 5mg is not really that high. Dont get high on success, get real and evauate actual facts. Pictures of your junk is actually very useful. You may be suprised down the road.

 

[Fanjeera]

Just remember that it's written on the leaflet that it can cause persistent reduced libido and many doctors are worried and have started a foundation, therefore it must have some seriousness behind it.
www.pfsfoundation.org -- most of the studies that try to prove (convincingly or not) finasteride's bad effect are on this site.

 

[TheEscapist]

As said before, Dr. Irwig used all the accepted methods to identify the signal that persistent finasteride side effects exist. If you think Dr. Irwig's study was "crappy" then you must really think the PSSD study was "really crappy" because THEY ONLY USED FOUR SUBJECTS WHILE THE DR. IRWIG USED 67. http://psychrights.org/Research/Dig...tSexualDysfunctionOffSSRIsCsokaetal(2007).pdf

The medical community, and from what it looks like the HairLossTalk.com community all accept that PSSD is real an no one has critized the study that USED FOUR SUBJECTS and ASKED, not tested, ASKED them if they thought they were having persistent side effects.

It's all moot. Dr. Irwig has seen many PFS patients, which is what motiivated him to do more research on the topic. He even went to the PFS Conference in Torino Italy a few years ago to discuss the pilot round of the molecular study

Really? NO ONE has criticized a study of 4 people being asked about symptoms? How odd. I can't open that link you posted, but it sounds to me like a **** ton of people should have had queries about a study like that. Whether or not there is a real causal link or not, it CANNOT be determined by asking a bunch of people who are highly anxious a bunch of questions about what they think went wrong. It simply cannot.

You and a lot of other people rule out psychosomatic causes right off the bat for whatever reason you choose to claim, and yet in MANY cases, Occam's Razor applied, it explains the symptoms a lot better than the "there's still a lot we don't know" excuse. Of course people will have adverse reactions. Never would deny that. But no matter how badly you want to think this PFS thing is widespread and undeniably always the fault of the drug, you're still being very narrow minded and oblivious to what a worried brain can do.

As someone with years of OCD, I know for a fact that "persistent decreased libido", "persistently weak erections", "persistent desensitization of penis", and "ejaculation troubles" can ALL occur without ANYTHING but the mind in and of itself. Depression, anxiety, whatever the hell you want to call it, is a REAL and physically detrimental thing that I have suffered for years, with all of these symptoms at one time or another, BEFORE I took Propecia.