Dermatologists!!

[Kramer3]

I went to see the derm this morning as part of my check-up. ( It's dirt cheap here in Canada). Anyways he asked me how my progress was going and I told him that I had been having a bad shed due to the treatments i've been taking. It always amazes me how little they know about hairloss treatments. He was completely oblivious to treatments having any effect on shedding. Not only that but he pulled on my hair so much that I ended up losing a sh*t load of hair. Just as my bad shedding phase was starting to subside I have this guy ripping hair out of my head. Now I'm just f*****g pissed that i went to see him. Bottom line, thats the last time I see a derm for hairloss now that I have my perscriptions.

 

[Matgallis]

who needs derms when you got india pharmacy companies

 

[HairlossTalk]

And someone here said lack of education, and misinformation at the doctor level wasn't a problem just last week. Go figure...

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[Kramer3]

I dont know about Doctor's in general but it seems like time and time again Dermatologists are misinformed about treatments and things to expect from them. You would think that they would be able to offer better information for a problem that is so common. Its a good thing I found a site like this or I would have quit my regimen already.

 

[The Gardener]

You're lucky. At least in Canada you don't have to pay through the nose just to have someone in a white jacket give you bad advice.

I have an HMO here in the States, and I have some great advice for all you others who have to deal with the b**ch that HMO's can be. It sometimes seem like unless you are on death's door, they push you aside. Here it is, and you will all thank me for it:

When I want quick service for something relatively minor, I add the phrase "and chest pains" to whatever it is I am in for. If I want a simple check up, I call in and tell them, "hey, I feel strange and want a check up, oh, and I have chest pains". Or, when I caught a little athletes foot last summer, I called up and said "hey, I have athlete's foot, and I have chest pains". Got me in the door real quick. All you out there looking for a Propecia prescription and don't want the HMO wait, just call in and say "hey, I want a doctor to look at my hairloss, and I have chest pains." You'll have your prescription in minutes.

You're welcome.

 

[maddoc23]

In fairness to doctors lets be honest. Male Pattern Baldness is not a pathological condition. It requires no medical treatment. If you want to think of doctors as idiots at least wait until they misdiagnosis a pathological event...........like melanoma. People go to dermatologists because those are the closest things to "hair doctors" most people are near. All the doctors that actually specialize in hairloss (Dr. Lee, Dr. Bernstein and all the other respected surgeons) are known by most people here as very intelligent and helpful.

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[Guest]

You're lucky. At least in Canada you don't have to pay through the nose just to have someone in a white jacket give you bad advice.

I have an HMO here in the States, and I have some great advice for all you others who have to deal with the b**ch that HMO's can be. It sometimes seem like unless you are on death's door, they push you aside. Here it is, and you will all thank me for it:

When I want quick service for something relatively minor, I add the phrase "and chest pains" to whatever it is I am in for. If I want a simple check up, I call in and tell them, "hey, I feel strange and want a check up, oh, and I have chest pains". Or, when I caught a little athletes foot last summer, I called up and said "hey, I have athlete's foot, and I have chest pains". Got me in the door real quick. All you out there looking for a Propecia prescription and don't want the HMO wait, just call in and say "hey, I want a doctor to look at my hairloss, and I have chest pains." You'll have your prescription in minutes.

You're welcome.

I would humbly suggest that anyone who longs for the Candian Health Insurance system has never had to rely on it. Say you need a by-pass, how long would you want to wait?

Anyone, anyone??

 

[VoRteX]

Yeah and add the enormous tax burden of socialized healthcare...... 30% tax is bad enough, how about 50%?!?!?!

 

[shineydome]

Yeah and add the enormous tax burden of socialized healthcare...... 30% tax is bad enough, how about 50%?!?!?!

Yes, not only will the cost go up, but the quality will go down. Great Deal!

 

[HairlossTalk]

If you want to think of doctors as idiots at least wait until they misdiagnosis a pathological event...........like melanoma.

Wait? They already do that. Constantly. Misdiagnosis and physician error is the leading cause of death in the medical system next to prescription drug side effects.

 

[Guest]

If you want to think of doctors as idiots at least wait until they misdiagnosis a pathological event...........like melanoma.

Wait? They already do that. Constantly. Misdiagnosis and physician error is the leading cause of death in the medical system next to prescription drug side effects.

HairLossTalk.com-with all due respect, your objectivity on physicians is out the window and your disdain for them, obvious!

Yet, you offer no data to suggest that US physicians are in any way better or worse than the practice world wide.

I would suggest that you refrain from the debate until you can discuss it dispassionately or with more reason that you have shown.

For what it is worth.

 

[Bob_Marley]

Sorry to say Brucey and Vorty, but the american health care system leaves out 40 million people. That's 10 million more than the population of Canada. And that even leaving out all your little illegal mexican, cuban, and south american freinds. Not only that but our health care education and medical schools are excellent here and the US loves to steal them. Why? Because you guys personally spend so much on drugs and healtcare. Oh I'm sorry, the lucky few that acutally get good health care.

Part of the Canadian problem is the doctors themselves taking advantage of the system.

And BTW. I have known recently a few of my dads friends that have had heart attacks, and they received good treatment.

 

[Guest]

Sorry to say Brucey and Vorty, but the american health care system leaves out 40 million people. That's 10 million more than the population of Canada. And that even leaving out all your little illegal mexican, cuban, and south american freinds. Not only that but our health care education and medical schools are excellent here and the US loves to steal them. Why? Because you guys personally spend so much on drugs and healtcare. Oh I'm sorry, the lucky few that acutally get good health care.

Part of the Canadian problem is the doctors themselves taking advantage of the system.

And BTW. I have known recently a few of my dads friends that have had heart attacks, and they received good treatment.

You're implicaiton is that folks with no insurance are "left out." That is not supported by the facts.

Re: illegal immigrants, they need to be left out and go back towhere legal care is available.

The reality is that is not a lucky few who get care. Need to do your homework Bob.

BTW- the avg wait time for a bypass in Canada is 6 months and counting.

 

[Bob_Marley]

Bruce

What facts. At least 40 million people are not covered, therefore you don't need to imply anything. They are not "left out", but can not afford treatment. BTW, what kind of treament to you think these people are getting and how is it payed for. Answer me that. Because if the gov't is subsidizing it then eventually there is, and already has been a break down in the system.

Lucky few who get good care, Good facilities, Best doctors, best medicines, latest technology etc. YOu do your homework Bruce.

At least in Canada it does not matter if you make millions(obviously it does for extended/home care where many can actually buy life extensions) or make $10 dollars, we go to the same hosptial and see the same doctors.

I would hate to live in society, where across the street Joe millionaire is stepping into a clean beautiful hospital with good doctors to get a check-up. When If I lost my job and coverage I would have to pay big bucks to get into a sub-par hosptial to get my severe pneumonia looked at.

Btw- give me where you get your six months figure from.
And do you think an american with no coverage could even get on a waiting list. WTF are you trying to argue. Sometimes in life capitalist economics which does promote innovation has to be seperated from social programs for the better of all men. Not just the select few who survive.

 

[Guest]

Bruce

What facts. At least 40 million people are not covered, therefore you don't need to imply anything. They are not "left out", but can not afford treatment. BTW, what kind of treament to you think these people are getting and how is it payed for. Answer me that. Because if the gov't is subsidizing it then eventually there is, and already has been a break down in the system.

Lucky few who get good care, Good facilities, Best doctors, best medicines, latest technology etc. YOu do your homework Bruce.

At least in Canada it does not matter if you make millions(obviously it does for extended/home care where many can actually buy life extensions) or make $10 dollars, we go to the same hosptial and see the same doctors.

I would hate to live in society, where across the street Joe millionaire is stepping into a clean beautiful hospital with good doctors to get a check-up. When If I lost my job and coverage I would have to pay big bucks to get into a sub-par hosptial to get my severe pneumonia looked at.

Btw- give me where you get your six months figure from.
And do you think an american with no coverage could even get on a waiting list. WTF are you trying to argue. Sometimes in life capitalist economics which does promote innovation has to be seperated from social programs for the better of all men. Not just the select few who survive.

Well, that is all socialist drivel. You assert that because some 40 M folks have no or limited financial coverage, they do not get care or get substandard care. Some do, some don't. I have a very high catastrophic insurance plan and CHOOSE to pay for what care I get on an optional basis.

Have never been refused care. In fact, no one in America is actually refused care but if they don't have the dough, they get in back of the line.

I don' have an issue with that, even if I was in back of the line.

Re: access standards in Canada, just check out the cross border medical care in northern US. Those who can, come here. Those who can't, stay and wait. Same in United Kingdom arguably one of the worst systems in the world. But, they ALL have coverage.



You may have an issue with Joe Millionaire but I do not. If you want to live in a socialist society, where the lowest common denom. is the rule, fine, there are plenty. Some are still solvent too!

BTW- I doubt you would know a sub-par hospital if you saw one. How would you judge that?

 

[Bob_Marley]

Again tell me where you get this "6 months and counting figure from"
Is it stomach bypass, cardiac bypass etc. I could not find figures even close to that long for cardiac bypass.

 

[blue]

Ill tell you one thing if you are in the back of that line,someone wih money is going to cut you ...and that sh*t aint cool lol

 

[Bob_Marley]

Have never been refused care. In fact, no one in America is actually refused care but if they don't have the dough, they get in back of the line.

That's the biggest load bullsH*t I have ever heard. If they don;t have dough they don't get treatment, while paranoid assH*les like stromshadow get cheap avodart to treat hairloss because they have coverage. FACT IS, then people with little coverage or no coverage can;t get checked out properly for tumours and die, while stormshadow gets checked out right away, because his father had money.

You probably come form wealthy family Bruce and your ignorance shows through on this issue. I'm all for the strong surviving and those who worked hard should be able to go out and buy better care. And this happens in Canada. Like you said, the one';s taht can afford it go out and get he best care anyway, regardless of whether they get it free or not. At elast those less fortunate can still get care.

YOu obviously don't understand economics if you outright claim this to be such a balck and white issue by saying my opinion to be SOCIALIST Drivel. Come on, I would expect more form you than that.

Remeber not everyone is born onto money and the old boys club. OR get job promotions becasue they are good looking or afford a good school etc etc etc. But at least there healthcare is not compromised because of this.

Unviresal indicators used around the world of quality of life, puts Canada above the states, and one big reason is universal health care.

I wouldn't know a sub par hospital, because i have never been in a hospital in the US. But I've read that there are big differences in hospitals in the US, even across streets. Here, no difference.

 

[blue]

BoB you have a point there bacause i live in tampa florida and many times(since my family isnt rich)we have been refused in some hospitals even though their are not supposed to they do because it happened to my family.My Grandmother went to a doctor with chest pains and the doctor didnt even look at her he kept sayin how its just her arthritus(bullshit).then when it was to late she was dieing and we tried to take her to the hospital(the same hospital that said she had arthritus).At that hospital they couldnt save her.Also i want to add that at the same hospital(this is the closest one at my house the other being miles and miles away)My Aunt went in for a routine apperation and because the doctors there suck she died too.We tried to sue for malpractice but since they can afford better lawyers they won.So i will have to agree with what HairLossTalk.com said and what Bob said about doctors being lazy and uneducated and how there are sub-par hospitals because i have experienced both.

 

[HairlossTalk]

Bruce!

I gave you statistics on the #'s of people who have died due to medical system errors, and that includes doctor misinformation and misdiagnosis. You saw those #'s ... something like 1 to 200,000 people dying every year. Why still asking for statistics?

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