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does minoxidil work slower in the crown than in the front? because my hair got thicker in the front but in the crown its nearly still the same . :roll:
can someone explain that?
can someone explain that?
ShedMaster
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majority will exerience better and faster results in the crown before the front of the scalp, but everyone is different. I would rather be thinning on top rather then the front because its easier to conceal, treatments usually respond better, and if you had a hair transplant, it would be easier to do IMO.
joseph49853
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I too experienced far greater growth at the hairline on minoxidil. But as Shedmaster has stated, maybe this makes us the lucky ones. A balding crown is so much easier to conceal than a thinning or receeding hairline.
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techprof said:
huh?
do you have any links or stuff to this? you are telling me the hairline is easier to cover up and/or have cosmetic surgery to cover up then the top/crown?! get out of here!
shedmaster, I recently had a hair transplant. I am speaking from experience.
If your crown went slick bald, it is nearly impossible to cover it up with cosmetic surgery. Read Dr. Cole's (or Dr. Feller's post) in hlh.
you need twice the number of grafts for the same cosmetic effect in the crown than in the front or the top.
may be gilenator or others can pitch in. I agree that hairline and front if fixed we look good from the front. but you are not gonna kid anyone with a slick bald crown.
If your crown went slick bald, it is nearly impossible to cover it up with cosmetic surgery. Read Dr. Cole's (or Dr. Feller's post) in hlh.
you need twice the number of grafts for the same cosmetic effect in the crown than in the front or the top.
may be gilenator or others can pitch in. I agree that hairline and front if fixed we look good from the front. but you are not gonna kid anyone with a slick bald crown.
http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums/mess ... SGDBTABLE=
shedmaster click the above link and read what Dr. Feller shows with pictures.
shedmaster click the above link and read what Dr. Feller shows with pictures.
joseph49853
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techprof said:
Thanks so much for taking the time to post this link. Interesting how Dr. Feller's sensible words contradict the mantra of some of the prolific posters here.... about the difficulty growing hair on the crown with minoxidil, and high doses of finasteride doing more harm than good in the long run.
Joe,
You are welcome. I wouldn't give much attention to Dr. feller's words on increased dosage of finasteride.
He gets to benefit from people not using drugs so that he can get more patients. If finasteride didn't work for anyone, I would suggest dutasteride.
You are welcome. I wouldn't give much attention to Dr. feller's words on increased dosage of finasteride.
He gets to benefit from people not using drugs so that he can get more patients. If finasteride didn't work for anyone, I would suggest dutasteride.
joseph49853
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techprof said:
That's true. Like any information, it needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Some people simply have an agenda.
Just like the few doctors who are selling Retin-a/minoxidil solutions. By combining the two, they're simply allowed to avoid pricing laws.... which is why their prices will sometimes fluctuate. Of course, they'll want us to believe a Retin-a/minoxidil solution is just as effective as either used separately.
ShedMaster
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tech, I appreciate your contribution/posts to the forum, but as any other experienced user of this board would say, the crown is infinanintely easier to conceal, recover from with minoxidil or transplants. I can only tell from experience and from the response from others, but the hairline is the first thing that is noticable from a transplant, concealers, etc. i don't know how you/your doctor came to the conclusion it is not but I've been on this forum a loooong time and that is obvious to me. Thats all i can conclude from. Again, please dont take that as an insult to your intelligence but that is my sincere observation.
Dude you dont know what you are talking about with regards to hair transplanting the front or the crown. Do you have any idea how artistic a doctor has to be to reinvent the natural swirl pattern that goes on at the one major point on the vertex of the scalp? It is virtually impossible to make it look like a natural swirl once you've lost it. The front on the other hand, well you need not look any further than Armani for beautifully placed hair lines. Concealing easier for the crown, hair transplant ? Definately easier for the front.ShedMaster said:
Shed.
I hope that you don't go slick bald in the crown (I went).
When I had 4000 grafts to be placed. I had two options,
spend all the 4000 grafts on my crown and not touch top or the front. This may or may not work. Even the doctor was honest.
I could have spent a lot of grafts to fix my hairline. I took a conservative approach. Used 3000 grafts on the top and 1000 grafts on my crown.
JayB, people conclude that crown is easy to hide. This might be true when you have lost only 40-50% of the crown. Toppik or dermmatch might work better in the thinning crown than in the thinning front. (It works the same, but people see the hairline first and dermmatch or toppik might be obvious there).
But when we talk about slick bald areas (this site mainly consists of users who are Norwood 1-nw2 who just started balding), crown is impossible to fix as you have said. It is easier to fix the hairline and the top with hair transplant than the crown.
dutasteride or finasteride might work better in the crown than the hairline and the top for most of the people.
I do believe that the area which went bald first will be the worst area to grow hairs (the crown in my case).
I hope that you don't go slick bald in the crown (I went).
When I had 4000 grafts to be placed. I had two options,
spend all the 4000 grafts on my crown and not touch top or the front. This may or may not work. Even the doctor was honest.
I could have spent a lot of grafts to fix my hairline. I took a conservative approach. Used 3000 grafts on the top and 1000 grafts on my crown.
JayB, people conclude that crown is easy to hide. This might be true when you have lost only 40-50% of the crown. Toppik or dermmatch might work better in the thinning crown than in the thinning front. (It works the same, but people see the hairline first and dermmatch or toppik might be obvious there).
But when we talk about slick bald areas (this site mainly consists of users who are Norwood 1-nw2 who just started balding), crown is impossible to fix as you have said. It is easier to fix the hairline and the top with hair transplant than the crown.
dutasteride or finasteride might work better in the crown than the hairline and the top for most of the people.
I do believe that the area which went bald first will be the worst area to grow hairs (the crown in my case).
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Tech, I agree with you totally, and I CANNOT believe that anyone can disagree with you on this.
People, the crown is HUGE. You can pack the hairline fairly densely with 3000 grafts, but if you're a Norwood 5 or 6, 3000 grafts will not even come close to giving you full coverage in the crown. You'd need way more.
Obviously with crown thinning like mine(about the size of a quarter) I could get full coverage with 400 grafts, but when most people talk about crown thinning they are talking at least 50% miniaturization over the entire area.
ShedMaster, obviously the hairline is what most people notice before the crown, and if people had to choose between one or the other being filled, I'm sure most would choose the hairline. But the crown does take more grafts to restore the entire area because it's just so f*****g huge. It's the size of a salad plate in some cases.
Sorry for the language.
People, the crown is HUGE. You can pack the hairline fairly densely with 3000 grafts, but if you're a Norwood 5 or 6, 3000 grafts will not even come close to giving you full coverage in the crown. You'd need way more.
Obviously with crown thinning like mine(about the size of a quarter) I could get full coverage with 400 grafts, but when most people talk about crown thinning they are talking at least 50% miniaturization over the entire area.
ShedMaster, obviously the hairline is what most people notice before the crown, and if people had to choose between one or the other being filled, I'm sure most would choose the hairline. But the crown does take more grafts to restore the entire area because it's just so f*****g huge. It's the size of a salad plate in some cases.
Sorry for the language.
ShedMaster
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tech I didn't realize that you were slick bald. I was speaking on the assumption that you had somewhat decent coverage up there.
how long ago did you have your surgery and how have the results been.
how long ago did you have your surgery and how have the results been.
joseph49853
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Guys, this is a minoxidil forum. So I'm not sure how this conversation got switched to one about transplants. 
The question was, "Does minoxidil work slower in the crown???" And based on my experience, the answer -- seemingly contrary to conventional wisdom -- is unequivocally yes.
As far as concealing hairloss, I'd imagine the crown would be far easier. Unless you're really short, or people are super tall, most wouldn't as easily notice the back of your head. Or it would be far easier to comb over, or grow your hair longer to conceal a balding crown.
But if you were to conceal your hairline, most people would instantly assume you're going bald.
The question was, "Does minoxidil work slower in the crown???" And based on my experience, the answer -- seemingly contrary to conventional wisdom -- is unequivocally yes.As far as concealing hairloss, I'd imagine the crown would be far easier. Unless you're really short, or people are super tall, most wouldn't as easily notice the back of your head. Or it would be far easier to comb over, or grow your hair longer to conceal a balding crown.
But if you were to conceal your hairline, most people would instantly assume you're going bald.