Dude regrows from nw2,5 to nw1 because of cortisol secreting tumor(?)

[czecha]

I was getting skeptical qbout the common trope that cortisol is bad for hair. I read cortisol powerfully opposes adrenal androgens. Anecdotes: guys with bad/thin skin (cortisol thins skin) have good hairlines. Schweinsteiger came to mind.

cushing disease and hairloss in men is a pretty interesting topic. finding kind of contradicting verdicts on it (causes hairloss) and pictures of men with low hairlines.

check this out:
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„patient experiences hair thinning“ in his nw0-1 hairline report the authors (who I have emailed with no reply), but that thin hair is regrowth

pic 1 (belly pic) is before the cortisol inducing tumor causing cushing disease. Nw2 at best, prob Norwood 2.5.

the 2 other pics are after he got the tumor.
Nw1.

also lots of anecdotes here about cortisone working but haven’t really looked into it that much.

thoughts? Am I seeing things?

 

[czecha]

I also read that cortisol secretion is what stops an adrenaline response or is what usually follows it. I think Adrenaline is really bad for hair (reduces blood flow to extremities for example) and for some its permanently elevated, and they are really low in cortisol.

but I’ll leave the discussion to the high iq guys here

 

[Ritchie]

his hairline is the same in all the pictures. How the hell can you make a proper judgement of his hairline in the first picture and be sure he is norwood 2?? When you make such a thread you need to be sure about this stuff and not make a judgment that he moved form norwood 2 to 1 even though his hairline could be the same.

 

[czecha]

his hairline is the same in all the pictures. How the hell can you make a proper judgement of his hairline in the first picture and be sure he is norwood 2?? When you make such a thread you need to be sure about this stuff and not make a judgment that he moved form norwood 2 to 1 even though his hairline could be the same.

Because its not? There is no hair on the side of his head

 

[Ritchie]

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Because its not? There is no hair on the side of his head

his hairline is not straight in this clear picture either. Hairlines look different in some angles. Its like finding a cancer patient and finding a weird angle of him which makes his nose looks weird and crooked, and then finding normal angled pictures of him after chemo with a normal nose. And then saying chemotherapy fixes a crooked nose.

 

[czecha]

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his hairline is not straight in this clear picture either. Hairlines look different in some angles. Its like finding a cancer patient and finding a weird angle of him which makes his nose looks weird and crooked, and then finding normal angled pictures of him after chemo with a normal nose. And then saying chemotherapy fixes a crooked nose.

I was gracious, there is still skin showing behind the hairline i drew in
There is no way in hell its the same hairline mate

 

[Ritchie]

I was gracious, there is still skin showing behind the hairline i drew in
There is no way in hell its the same hairline mate

i have studied photography and know how both mirrors and angles and cameras can distort images. There is no way he was a norwood 2.5 and magically grew back all that hair. Look at the mirror too, look how close his hairline to the edge of the mirror, that is also distorting what youre seeing, you can literally see another reflection right next to it where the distortion is even more noticeable. You also said that the thin hair is regrowth. Its not. This is what his hair would look like without the low density area. His hairline is soooo much higher


You cannot judge his hairline from that angle. Just like if somebody came to this site asking what norwood they are with a picture like that, you cant make a prediction. And the guy obviously reported this hair thinning to his doctor, you think he wouldnt have noticed if his hairline wasnt growing back yet you can notice from that weird picture?

 

[czecha]

i have studied photography and know how both mirrors and angles and cameras can distort images. There is no way he was a norwood 2.5 and magically grew back all that hair. Look at the mirror too, look how close his hairline to the edge of the mirror, that is also distorting what youre seeing, you can literally see another reflection right next to it where the distortion is even more noticeable. You also said that the thin hair is regrowth. Its not. This is what his hair would look like without the low density area. His hairline is soooo much higher
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You cannot judge his hairline from that angle. Just like if somebody came to this site asking what norwood they are with a picture like that, you cant make a prediction. And the guy obviously reported this hair thinning to his doctor, you think he wouldnt have noticed if his hairline wasnt growing back yet you can notice from that weird picture?

Take the other picture as a better reference point, where you see his face. If you can explain that to me I’ll happily admit you are right

 

[Ritchie]

Take the other picture as a better reference point, where you see his face. If you can explain that to me I’ll happily admit you are right

every single photo is from a different angle. If you want to believe it based on that one very weird picture, then do it. The guy wouldnt report his hair thinning if it wasnt. He knows his hair better than you and wouldve known if his hair was growing back.

 

[czecha]

I wouldn’t have created this thread if I didn’t think he could have gotten regrowth. A tumor sitting on your adrenals secreting cortisol putting you into cushing territory is an insane change to your endocrine system, of the magnitude that popping medication is.
If you look at cushings you will also find it commonly produces Norwood minus 1 hairlines in women. It’s a topic worth talking about.
The reason the authors report „thinning“ is that they are bluepilled on hair. They dgaf about hair as we do. They read somewhere that cortisol causes hair thinning and just record it to fit the dogma and make their case. I doubt the patient was asked about his hair, or cared much about it, because the cortisol caused other issues in him as you can clearly see.
But w/e, we are like 10 messages in and are stuck at discussing if a nw2-2,5 guy is nw1, so this topic is done for anyways.

 

[Ritchie]

I wouldn’t have created this thread if I didn’t think he could have gotten regrowth. A tumor sitting on your adrenals secreting cortisol putting you into cushing territory is an insane change to your endocrine system, of the magnitude that popping medication is.
If you look at cushings you will also find it commonly produces Norwood minus 1 hairlines in women. It’s a topic worth talking about.
The reason the authors report „thinning“ is that they are bluepilled on hair. They dgaf about hair as we do. They read somewhere that cortisol causes hair thinning and just record it to fit the dogma and make their case. I doubt the patient was asked about his hair, or cared much about it, because the cortisol caused other issues in him as you can clearly see.
But w/e, we are like 10 messages in and are stuck at discussing if a nw2-2,5 guy is nw1, so this topic is done for anyways.

well of course were gonna discuss if this norwood 1 is 2.5 or not. We have to establish whether or not his hairline was even receding or whether its due to a bad angle or else this thread makes no sense.

 

[czecha]

well of course were gonna discuss if this norwood 1 is 2.5 or not. We have to establish whether or not his hairline was even receding or whether its due to a bad angle or else this thread makes no sense.

okay, so to the people wanting to discuss cortisol and hair loss, whats your take on it? last picture is another CD patient before and after treatment.

there is clearly something going on here.

 

[Ritchie]

okay, so to the people wanting to discuss cortisol and hair loss, whats your take on it? last picture is another CD patient before and after treatment.

there is clearly something going on here.

again all of this guy's pictures are from different angles. You need to find an actual patient who supports your claims but there are none. And what does this old man have to do with this? What are you seeing that everyone else isnt? The first indian guy's hairline has not changed. Period. You cant make such a bold claim from that picture. This is the second most ridiculous thing ive seen on this site.

Here is an accurate drawing of his hairline and not a thick line handrawn on a phone. This is 100% accurate and i made sure to draw around every bump and curve in his hairline. The picture you drew is so innacurate and you can literally see parts of his hairline under the line in yours.

 

[Ritchie]

@Mandar kumthekar do you think it is possible to see this man's real hairline from this angle? Saying he is norwood 2.5 judging from this picture is such a bold claim.

 

[czecha]

This is a man who had a huge endocrine shift in a short period of time.
If he went from Norwood 2,5 to 1 or Norwood 1,5 to 1 is hardly relevant. He obviously regrew hair in the front.

 

[Ritchie]

This is a man who had a huge endocrine shift in a short period of time.
If he went from Norwood 2,5 to 1 or Norwood 1,5 to 1 is hardly relevant. He obviously regrew hair in the front.

there is zero proof of this though. He already has slight recession in the after picture and the mirror distortion in the before makes it look worse. You should find a patient with clear pictures who also has apprently regeown hair.

 

[Mandar kumthekar]

@Mandar kumthekar do you think it is possible to see this man's real hairline from this angle? Saying he is norwood 2.5 judging from this picture is such a bold claim.


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@Ritchie I don't think he is nw2.5 .he could have been Norwood 1or 1.5 at most without diffuse thinning when this photo was taken

 

[Catagen]

Honestly in the 3rd pic in the OP it looks like a low density hair transplant. The hairline doesn't have single follicular units and the hairs are not fine. Hairline looks almost too straight for the lack of density.