Estrogen too High? Testosterone too High? What is going on?

[clampdown33]

Hey, guys. I've recounted my story in other posts, but I'll briefly repeat here:

I took finasteride for four days between this past Christmas and New Year's. Sides were too much, so I quit. In the next days I began experiencing the usual symptoms: testicle ache, prostate soreness, loss of libido, etc. However, about a week or so later, I began to sweat profusely from my feet and the area between my testicles and anus. This seemed strange, as I thought sweating was a symptom of high testosterone, whereas the other symptoms seemed to indicate my testosterone had actually been lowered.

Anyway, I started taking 50 mg of zinc shortly after the sweating started and while I was still experiencing a huge loss of libido. I was taking glutonate at this time, though, which I didn't realize was the wrong type. This past Monday, still feeling my libido to be not anything close to what it was, I started taking zinc picolinate. Morning erections became immediately became firmer, but between Monday and today I've also been feeling joint cracking and stiffness and bone ache, which, again I thought was a sign of low, not high, estrogen.

So, now five weeks since discontinuing with finasteride, is it possible my testosterone could actually be too high and not, as I first thought, too low? It seems unlikely, as the testicle ache, loss of libido, and other assorted issues seem to point to low testosterone, but then again the continued sweating and joint problems seem to indicate the opposite.

I had a blood test done at urologist a few weeks back, and I got the typical refrain of "all of your levels are in normal range." So does anyone have any further insight into this? I'm truly not sure what's going on with me.

 

[Ende]

I started taking zinc picolinate. Morning erections became immediately became firmer, but between Monday and today I've also been feeling joint cracking and stiffness and bone ache, which, again I thought was a sign of low, not high, estrogen.

Cracking joints, stiffness and aching bones are typical side effects from AI's. It's impossible to avoid this. The reason is that aromatase enzymes are located where estrogen is needed, and an aromatase inhibitor may block too much enzymes in those areas. You can get symptoms of estrogen deficiency despite having a systemic level which is too high. The testosterone/estrogen ratio should be defined by morning erections and prostate fluid; transparent means too high estrogen level, white means normal or too low.

 

[TheGrayMan2001]

I don't think you'd have permanent side effects after four days of taking it.

 

[clampdown33]

Thanks, Enden. To what would you or anyone else attribute the the profuse sweating? To my knowledge, sweating is usually associated with testosterone levels being too high, but I don't see how that could be the case with me. Could hormonal imbalances trigger excessive perspiration in certain parts of the body? It certainly seems possible, though I've yet to see anyone on the board mention sweating as a side effect of finasteride.

GrayMan: I'm happy you think that, but the fact is I've been off of finasteride for five weeks now and many of the side effects are not going away. Personally, I think there's reason for concern.

 

[Ende]

I'm only sweating more when I have a supraphysiological level of testosterone, so it's unlikely that it's because of your testosterone level. It's a well known symptom of menopause, so too low estrogen level could probably cause this. However, like I said, don't use anything else than morning erections and prostate fluid to determine the testosterone/estrogen ratio. If it's too low, you won't have any morning erections, and your libido gets reduced. The same thing happens with too much estrogen, but then your prostate fluid will be transparent.

 

[Prop]

Hey, guys. I've recounted my story in other posts, but I'll briefly repeat here:

I took finasteride for four days between this past Christmas and New Year's. Sides were too much, so I quit.

easy clamp.

i think is quite difficult that u got persistent sides in only one week fina assumption.
ansiety may play a role in this.
follow the "zinc protocol" and see what happens

my opinion is also that u can have some prostate issues, ur urologist have to check that.

one "weird" question, are u used to take hot baths?

 

[Ende]

4 days with finasteride are enough to shift some ratios, and he clearly has a physiological problem if zinc picolinate gave him firmer morning erections.