Eucapil: am I having systemic side effects?

[jakeb]

I will be testing this over the next few weeks, but as much as I hate to admit it, I think I may be getting systemic side effects. Here's my story...

I was getting side effects from Finasteride and had to quit: brain fog, sexual sides, low energy. I quit and started back a few times. It was clear the sides were directly tied to the finasteride.

So I stopped and ordered a 4 month supply of Eucapil. During the weeks that it took to arrive, I felt great.

I started taking Eucapil two weeks ago. The past week, the Finasteride-like symptoms have returned. Low semen volume (hard for that one to be *imaginary*), low energy, a little brain fog (but not as bad as finasteride).

MY THEORY:
either...
a) I'm crazy sensitive to anti-androgens
b) I'm applying minoxidil & retin-a 1/2 hour before applying Eucapil. MAYBE, the retin-a is causing crazy absorbtion of the Eucapil to the point that some of the fluridil is causing systemic problems before it disintegrates.

MY TEST PLAN:
I'm going to take a break from the Eucapil and see if I perk up.
(If not, I've got some unrelated problem and I need to see and endocrinologist.)
If so, I will go back on Eucapil, but using only regular minoxidil (no retin-a).
If the sides return, I'll try applying 1ml or 2ml every other day.


And can I just say... god this sucks. I just bought 4 boxes for like $200 and I'm not even halfway through the first one.

Anyone have any thoughts for me??

 

[beaner]

From my understanding of Eucapil it would not be possible for you to have systemic sides since the molecule immediately breaks down in water(thus the pure alcohol solution) and would do so the moment it entered your bloodstream.

 

[jakeb]

I hope you're right. I really want to use this stuff. I do think it cut my shedding way down. I don't know if it's really true that it instantly breaks down *instantly* in water. Every cell in the human body is mostly water, so it wouldn't have a chance to bind to the androgen receptors.

I wonder if it's possible that the retin-a is doing something odd to the molecule (or just making it absorb quicker than it did for people in the the clinical trials?). I know people use straight minoxidil with it pretty successfully.

I'm not a scientist though.

 

[Beethoven]

hmmm... that's very weird...
I had same sides you had from finasteride, after that I tried topical spironolactone, applied it 3 times a day and a large amount each time, and it caused me (I think...) strong pain in my nipples, so I guess that maybe I'm sensitive too (although it might be due to the excess amount). I switched to Eucapil about 3 months ago and since then no sides at all...

 

[jakeb]

It's from Larry King, where the Donald tells Larry to pull on his hair to prove it's not a wig. :lol:

There are some other things that might be going on here too... I've also recently been really working hard at the gym (aerobic mostly), watching what i'm eating, and not getting a ton of sleep... all things that can lower testosterone/dht levels.

I'm going to chart all this stuff on a calendar to see if I can figure it out. Crossing my fingers it isn't actually the Eucapil... I have a lot of hope pinned on that.

 

[JWM]

I'll buy your Fluridil if you can't use it.

 

[jakeb]

Awesome. Hopefully it I won't need to, but I'll keep you updated.

 

[jakeb]

Sorry for being so alarmist earlier. I've been back on Eucapil and minoxidil with Retin-A for 3 days now and no problems. I wonder if I was still having residual effects from the Finasteride? Some sort of swinging hormone pendulum thing from the initial rush when I quit? I've felt really great the past few days... even the semen volume (the symptom I use to see if I'm just psyching myself out with the mental symptoms) is back to normal.

So go figure. If anything develops I'll write back. But hopefully I haven't discouraged anyone from trying the Eucapil... I think I blamed the wrong thing. :/