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zackb

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My hair transplant Doctor said you can take dutasteride every other day because it has a longer half-life and stays in your system longer. Is this correct? Thanks guys.
 

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zackb said:
My hair transplant Doctor said you can take dutasteride every other day because it has a longer half-life and stays in your system longer. Is this correct? Thanks guys.


I don't think its correct.

0.5mg Dutasteride inhibits ~ 92% serum DHT and 55% scalp DHT
2.5mg Dutasteride inhibits ~ 95% serum DHT and 82% scalp DHT

The scalp DHT is different between different doses, though I think it still will be more effective than 1 mg finasteride.
 

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I read somewhere - forget where now - that the idea is you can can skip doses for awhile (because of the long half-life), but you still need to maintain the correct dosage in TOTAL over time.

That is, you can either take one pill every day, or swallow seven pills once a week. Not recommended, but in theory anyway.
 

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IDOASIS said:
zackb said:
My hair transplant Doctor said you can take dutasteride every other day because it has a longer half-life and stays in your system longer. Is this correct? Thanks guys.


I don't think its correct.

0.5mg Dutasteride inhibits ~ 92% serum DHT and 55% scalp DHT
2.5mg Dutasteride inhibits ~ 95% serum DHT and 82% scalp DHT

The scalp DHT is different between different doses, though I think it still will be more effective than 1 mg finasteride.

But that does not answer the question of dosage frequency
 

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I've heard that dutasteride CAN be used, daily (or at the total weekly dosage taken once per week) for an entire year, then the dosage frequency can be reduced to maintain dutasteride blood levels.

If that makes any sense.

Goddamn. Killing too many brain cells. Better quit drinking.
 

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Z said:
IDOASIS said:
zackb said:
My hair transplant Doctor said you can take dutasteride every other day because it has a longer half-life and stays in your system longer. Is this correct? Thanks guys.


I don't think its correct.

0.5mg Dutasteride inhibits ~ 92% serum DHT and 55% scalp DHT
2.5mg Dutasteride inhibits ~ 95% serum DHT and 82% scalp DHT

The scalp DHT is different between different doses, though I think it still will be more effective than 1 mg finasteride.

But that does not answer the question of dosage frequency

I just said that taking 0.5 mg every 2 days won't be effective as taking 0.5 mg every day.
 

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jeffsss said:
Siberian said:
Looking at http://www.dutasteride.org/dutasteride/ ... esults.htm, it seems taking .5mg every other day (same as .25 every day) isn't really much more effective than Propecia. A bit better, yes, but not by much.

well dutasteride inhibits both typse of enzymes that turn test to DHT..

so it's better no matter what..

Well no, as the dosage decreases, so does the effectiveness (rated by hairs regrown, which is all we really care about). It looks like .1mg only grows as much hair back as Propecia. So taking 1 Avodart pill every 5 days is no better than taking Propecia every day. Taking Avodart every 2 days is an improvement in hair count, but not by much - though that's a subjective judgement call everyone has to make for themselves.
 

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IDOASIS said:
Siberian said:
Looking at http://www.dutasteride.org/dutasteride/ ... esults.htm, it seems taking .5mg every other day (same as .25 every day) isn't really much more effective than Propecia. A bit better, yes, but not by much.

yes ,but dont forget that it is 5 mg finasteride.

I knew someone would mention that, lol...

According to Merck, whether you take 1mg finasteride or 80mg (they literally say this), you'll grow back the same amount of hair.

It SEEMS that since it's a type II inhibitor only, it max's out at around 70% DHT suppression. You just can't inhibit any more DHT without going after the Type I thing too, like Avodart does. At least that's the conclusion I've come to.
 

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Siberian said:
IDOASIS said:
Siberian said:
Looking at http://www.dutasteride.org/dutasteride/ ... esults.htm, it seems taking .5mg every other day (same as .25 every day) isn't really much more effective than Propecia. A bit better, yes, but not by much.

yes ,but dont forget that it is 5 mg finasteride.

I knew someone would mention that, lol...

According to Merck, whether you take 1mg finasteride or 80mg (they literally say this), you'll grow back the same amount of hair.

It SEEMS that since it's a type II inhibitor only, it max's out at around 70% DHT suppression. You just can't inhibit any more DHT without going after the Type I thing too, like Avodart does. At least that's the conclusion I've come to.


As far as I remember there is a different between 5 mg and 1 mg finasteride.

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/download/finmicro.pdf

I know the 1 mg was tested 6 months and the 5 mg 1 year ,but it is still a huge different 77 compare to 95 (haircount).
The Dht levels are the serum and not the scalp.
 

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IDOASIS said:
As far as I remember there is a different between 5 mg and 1 mg finasteride.

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/download/finmicro.pdf

I know the 1 mg was tested 6 months and the 5 mg 1 year ,but it is still a huge different 77 compare to 95 (haircount).
The Dht levels are the serum and not the scalp.

Nearly all of that difference is from the duration difference. Reports vary, but Merck seems to suggest maximum regrowth occurs after one year on Propecia. Hence, the 6-month measurement of Propecia is unfair.

Still, I stumbled upon http://www.physics.upenn.edu/facultyinf ... index.html just now, which supports your idea that 5mg finasteride might be better than 1mg since the scalp DHT is reduced a bit more. It looks like the peak scalp DHT supression occurs at a higher dose than serum supression. It's a significant difference, but not astounding.

But back to the original topic, I fear many dutasteride users think that the longer half-life allows them to skip days AND maintain the same effectiveness. But the data doesn't support this. Taking one Avodart every other day won't grow as much hair as taking it every day.

On the other hand, it looks like as little as .05mg finasteride is as good as 1mg... with even 5mg being only slightly better. At least as far as scalp DHT levels go. I'm not sure if that translates into hair growth though.
 

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Siberian said:
IDOASIS said:
As far as I remember there is a different between 5 mg and 1 mg finasteride.

http://www.hairlosstalk.com/download/finmicro.pdf

I know the 1 mg was tested 6 months and the 5 mg 1 year ,but it is still a huge different 77 compare to 95 (haircount).
The Dht levels are the serum and not the scalp.

Nearly all of that difference is from the duration difference. Reports vary, but Merck seems to suggest maximum regrowth occurs after one year on Propecia. Hence, the 6-month measurement of Propecia is unfair.

Still, I stumbled upon http://www.physics.upenn.edu/facultyinf ... index.html just now, which supports your idea that 5mg finasteride might be better than 1mg since the scalp DHT is reduced a bit more. It looks like the peak scalp DHT supression occurs at a higher dose than serum supression. It's a significant difference, but not astounding.

But back to the original topic, I fear many dutasteride users think that the longer half-life allows them to skip days AND maintain the same effectiveness. But the data doesn't support this. Taking one Avodart every other day won't grow as much hair as taking it every day.

On the other hand, it looks like as little as .05mg finasteride is as good as 1mg... with even 5mg being only slightly better. At least as far as scalp DHT levels go. I'm not sure if that translates into hair growth though.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-remedy ... esults.cfm

Scalp DHT measurements were also assessed for both DHT and Testosterone. Scalp DHT was decreased 27% for 0.05mg Dutasteride, similarly for Finasteride (38%) and Dutasteride 0.1mg (37%), 54% for 0.5mg, and 82% for 2.5mg Dutasteride. Rittmaster concluded that these results show that most of the DHT in the scalp comes from type 1 5-alpha reductase.

So which of the links is true???
Is it possible that finasteride reduces more scalp DHT than dutasteride??
 

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Re: Bottom line?

zackb said:
To save $$$ and still get results, would every other day be okay?

You can get generics and save a lot of money.

Rittmaster concluded that these results show that most of the DHT in the scalp comes from type 1 5-alpha reductase


Siberian,
Its either Merk or Glaxo lie.
It is not possible that there is more type 1 5-alpha than 2, and finasteride blocks 70% scalp DHT,
and it is not possible that finasteride inhibits more scalp DHT than Dutasteride.
 

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In my opinion, I would trust GlaxoSmithsKline over Merck.

That's pure speculation, however.
 

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I agree.
Its ridiculous, by GlaxoSmithsKline studies ,5 mg finasteride inhibits 38% scalp DHT after 1 year, and by Merk 70%, I DON’T BUY IT!
 
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