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[andrei_eremenko]

C'mon guys...I think there are just some people who really have some issues...for some people really works...for some others not...but I'm sure that for many is just in your head...I don't think that u can see any side in 5 days or u can not breath any more because of nizoral. Personally I didn't take finasteride yet...but this month I'll begin to take it...I am 23...I'm really optimistic...because i'm not smoking...not drinking...sometimes I make some sport...I only eat healthy...so...who knows? maybe I'm a lucky one...I know a person that is taking the drug from 21 and now he is 31...and is ok...with a lot of good looking hair...

 

[Mew]

*yawn*...

Personally I didn't take finasteride yet...but this month I'll begin to take it

Good. Go for it. Report back in a year and let us know how you get on by depriving your body of 5AR2 and DHT. Something tells me you won't be so smug then, if you end up with side effects.

But good luck to you either way. Remember, despite being listed as such by the manufacturer, any and all side effects are "all in your head"... HAHA... that's a good one. When your jizz turns to water, get gyno, you have reduced ejaculate and lose your ability to get or maintain an erection, it's all in your head... yep...

 

[zeroheat]

Good, I applaud you for deciding to try it out yourself. Some people simply refuse to take it, and some people quit after 1-2 months, without giving their body enough time to adjust.

People need to realize that side effects go away for most people, and even if it doesn't, it becomes manageable. People want their hair back but they don't want to pay a reasonable price.. then they go spend tons of money on useless things like laser comb, various unnecessary supplements etc.. it's truly laughable.

It's not a death drug. If sides get pretty bad, then simply quit. They are not permanent. It's the only medication that stops the root of the problem. The answer is pretty simple really. Good luck!

 

[Mew]

They are not permanent.

Permanent ED from Finasteride use is now an officially listed side effect in Europe & UK after investigation by the respective regulatory agencies. Please get your facts straight.


Permanent side effects now official -- VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIDM2N1MuWw

Swedish Medical Agency: Propecia consumer information (PDF)
http://www.lakemedelsverket.se/SPC_PIL/ ... %20ENG.pdf

Pg. 3 - "Persistence of erectile dysfunction after discontinuation of treatment with PROPECIA has been reported in post-marketing use."

UK MHRA: Propecia consumer information (PDF)
http://www.mhra.gov.uk/home/groups/par/ ... 054522.pdf

Pg. 7 - "Persistence of erectile dysfunction after discontinuation of treatment with PROPECIA has been reported in post-marketing use."

Translated news story:
http://translate.google.ca/translate?u= ... =&ie=UTF-8

 

[timbo]

Mew, Dr. Rassman just posted a blog about the Swedish Medical Agency's famous claims that finasteride causes permanent sexual side effects. “Persistent difficulty having an erection after discontinuation of treatmentâ€￾ is listed in the "frequency unknown" section. In other words, they received complaints about it (how many hasn’t been established), but it is not a proven effect.

http://www.baldingblog.com/2010/02/15/f ... ts-agency/

 

[timbo]

Also, after reading the UK MHRA write-up, it says "Persistence of erectile dysfunction after discontinuation of treatment with PROPECIA has been reported in post-marketing use." This has nothing to do with the study. It just means that people have reported it.

Mew, once again, thank you for showing us articles saying that an unknown amount of people are claiming that finasteride gave them permanent side-effects.

 

[Mew]

Dr. Rassman

... is a hairloss doctor in the business of selling Finasteride to patients, who's business depends on hair loss treatments. He will defend Finasteride till the death and his word holds no weight when speaking about this drug, in my opinion.

In other words, they received complaints about it (how many hasn’t been established), but it is not a proven effect.

The fact it is listed at all by these agencies should be of concern enough to you, especially since they state "frequency unknown". In other words, nobody knows how often this problem occurs in men who take the drug -- scary thought.

It just means that people have reported it.

Yes, real people reporting their user experience with the medication, so you the user can make an informed decision. Would you rather such information not be available to you, so you can continue to be in the dark?

Mew, once again, thank you for showing us articles saying that an unknown amount of people are claiming that finasteride gave them permanent side-effects.

See my comment earlier in this post. The fact it is listed by such AGENCIES AT ALL, should be of concern to you.

Not sure why you continue to deny the fact that this is a real problem for some, unknown percentage of men who currently take, or will end up taking, the drug.

 

[timbo]

Mew, here is my only problem...

Permanent ED from Finasteride use is now an officially listed side effect in Europe & UK after investigation by the respective regulatory agencies. Please get your facts straight.

You damn well know that you're being dishonest. Permanent ED is not a side effect. It never happened in any official study or any trial for Propecia. They can't list something as a side effect just because random people are complaining about it.

 

[timbo]

... is a hairloss doctor in the business of selling Finasteride to patients, who's business depends on hair loss treatments. He will defend Finasteride till the death and his word holds no weight when speaking about this drug, in my opinion.

Dr. Rassman is a hair transplant surgeon. He gains nothing by sending patients home with Propecia, rather than giving them a hair transplant. In, fact he loses business because many of his patients find out that after a year on Propecia, they don't need a hair transplant.

The fact it is listed at all by these agencies should be of concern enough to you, especially since they state "frequency unknown". In other words, nobody knows how often this problem occurs in men who take the drug -- scary thought.

It's actually a relief to me. I don't care what this agency think about something that is not not proven or backed by medical evidence. I have the ability myself to hear people complain on the internet.

Yes, real people reporting their user experience with the medication, so you the user can make an informed decision. Would you rather such information not be available to you, so you can continue to be in the dark?

People can say anything. I have heard some absolutely ridiculous claims about finasteride side effects that are clearly untrue. I know there are hypochondriacs out there that have the ability to write emails and make phone calls to these agencies. I think it's interesting how no one suffered permanent side effects in any official, randomized trials.

Not sure why you continue to deny the fact that this is a real problem for some, unknown percentage of men who currently take, or will end up taking, the drug.

You need to put this into perspective. Take Aspirin for example, people have had serious stomach ulcers and some have even died from taking this medication. But it is a very helpful drug to the vast majority of people, and that's why it's still on the market.

Finasteride is a drug that helps a lot of people. Even if it did cause permanent side-effects in very rare circumstances (Less than 1/1500 says the clinical trials), it can still be taken by people with hairloss.

 

[Fender89]

This is from wikipedia, which isn't always reliable i suppose but anyway:

"In December 2008, the Swedish Medical Products agency concluded a safety investigation of Propecia and subsequently advised that the use of Propecia may result in irreversible sexual dysfunction. The Agency's updated safety information lists difficulty in obtaining an erection that persists indefinitely, even after the discontinuation of Propecia, as a possible side effect of the drug.[10]"

 

[dougfunny]

Dr. Rassman is a hair transplant surgeon. He gains nothing by sending patients home with Propecia, rather than giving them a hair transplant. In, fact he loses business because many of his patients find out that after a year on Propecia, they don't need a hair transplant.

That's not true. There is no point to getting a hair transplant without prescribing propecia, because you will continue to bald and it will look unnatural. so contrary to what you said, his business is entirely dependent upon propecia.

 

[Nene]

Dr. Rassman is a hair transplant surgeon. He gains nothing by sending patients home with Propecia, rather than giving them a hair transplant. In, fact he loses business because many of his patients find out that after a year on Propecia, they don't need a hair transplant.

That's not true. There is no point to getting a hair transplant without prescribing propecia, because you will continue to bald and it will look unnatural. so contrary to what you said, his business is entirely dependent upon propecia.

I wouldn't go as far as to say entirely dependent. However it is clear that finasteride can limit the area of hair loss and thus make it easier to achieve a hair transplant with a good result. I think Jamie Foxx is an excellent example. He has an extremely low hairline after his hair transplant but thats because he was only a Norwood 2a or 3a. Had he been a 5 or 6, he would never have achieved that amazing result. I don't know if Jamie Foxx was on finasteride, he may have naturally had only modest hair loss. But the point is finasteride makes hair transplants easier on the doctor on the patient by limiting the work needed. That doesn't mean that Dr. Rassman's business is fully dependent on it. He did transplants before finasteride was an available treatment for hair loss and I'm sure he'd still do them if it was no longer available as a treatment for hair loss.

 

[timbo]

This is from wikipedia, which isn't always reliable i suppose but anyway:

"In December 2008, the Swedish Medical Products agency concluded a safety investigation of Propecia and subsequently advised that the use of Propecia may result in irreversible sexual dysfunction. The Agency's updated safety information lists difficulty in obtaining an erection that persists indefinitely, even after the discontinuation of Propecia, as a possible side effect of the drug.[10]"

You obviously didn't read my posts.

 

[zeroheat]

Thank you timbo for bringing back some sense into this thread

 

[andrei_eremenko]

what i was trying to say...is that some of us are unlucky...I already said that I'll take that dose of drug when I'll not get any side...even 0.25 if needed...anyway....do u think that if u're making a hair transplant u don't have to take finasteride any more...?you're wrong...you will continue to go bald...so...I think that's a must do when you get an hair implant...I know a person who took this drug for over 10 years since he was 21...and he feels great....great hair...great body...with girlfriend...so...I was saying?Why shouldn't try for me?i'll will also wash my hair with nizoral...sao that's why i'm confident....as I said...I think is so much important...if u drink coffee...if u smoke...I'm not consuming this at all...so let's give it a try...In one year...I'll talk again...besides...I want to have an hair implant with fue...next year...i'm norwood 2 at 23...so...I would like to keep may hair at least at 35...

 

[Fender89]

This is from wikipedia, which isn't always reliable i suppose but anyway:

"In December 2008, the Swedish Medical Products agency concluded a safety investigation of Propecia and subsequently advised that the use of Propecia may result in irreversible sexual dysfunction. The Agency's updated safety information lists difficulty in obtaining an erection that persists indefinitely, even after the discontinuation of Propecia, as a possible side effect of the drug.[10]"

You obviously didn't read my posts.

You're right, I didn't. :woot:

 

[andrei_eremenko]

almost to forget...looking at the success stories...looks like some people are using this for over 10 years...and i'm wondering what about them?They are not able to spend some time anymore with a lady?...I don't think so...that's why i'm not agree with some of you unlucky...I think it's about every person...about good and bad habits...about their organism...an so forth...

 

[andrei_eremenko]

almost to forget...looking at the success stories...looks like some people are using this for over 10 years...and i'm wondering what about them?They are not able to spend some time anymore with a lady?...I don't think so...that's why i'm not agree with some of you unlucky...I think it's about every person...about good and bad habits...about their organism...an so forth...

 

[Mew]

You damn well know that you're being dishonest. Permanent ED is not a side effect. It never happened in any official study or any trial for Propecia. They can't list something as a side effect just because random people are complaining about it.

How am I being dishonest when quoting from official sources here?

The drug is documented to affect erectile function and has been stated as such by the manufacturer. The regulatory agencies now list permanent ED as a reported side effect in post-marketing use.

The fact this has been listed at all, in official documentation from official regulatory agencies, should be of concern to you -- but clearly it's not as you choose to deny that this problem could potentially occur from the drug's usage, based on the argument that such side effects never came up during Propecia clinical trials.

Those FDA clinical trials were in 1997. New studies have come out since then about the fact that the exact mechanism(s) behind 5ARI-related sexual dysfunction remains UNKNOWN. Additionally, we don't know if Merck or the FDA followed up longterm on the trial participants to assess their hormonal profile/erectile function weeks/months later. And, Merck doesn't exactly have the best track record in being forthcoming about the truth or revealing how harmful their drugs are to the public (Vioxx, Gardasil, Singulair cases etc).

Fact is, we can only make decisions based on the information we are given. We now have additional information from official sources since those clinical trials took place, that in certain cases, persistent erectile dysfunction despite discontinuation is a reported possible outcome from use. Even though they don't know how frequently the issue occurs, it is now in officially published documents. If you choose to ignore this fact/risk, that's your choice.

It's actually a relief to me. I don't care what this agency think about something that is not not proven or backed by medical evidence. I have the ability myself to hear people complain on the internet.

Thank you for confirming you choose to ignore official information -- again, this is your personal opinion, choosing to ignore the fact that this problem has been reported enough that they have been forced to investigate it, and force Merck to comply with adding the warning to the product insert. If you choose to ignore this because it wasn't "documented in an official FDA Clinical Trial", as if to dismiss the problem even exists -- that's entirely your prerogative, although in my opinion extremely naive. Hopefully you won't experience the problem should you ever quit.

People can say anything. I have heard some absolutely ridiculous claims about finasteride side effects that are clearly untrue. I know there are hypochondriacs out there that have the ability to write emails and make phone calls to these agencies. I think it's interesting how no one suffered permanent side effects in any official, randomized trials.

Of course people can say anything, but the agencies aren't going to take Merck to task over some random hypochondriacs submitting God knows what claims. Persistent erectile dysfunction has obviously been reported enough to the agencies, likely via submitted reports from medical professionals and consumers alike, that they finally took action to investigate further and ensure the warning was put in the product inserts. That's their job, to look out for consumer (yours and ours) safety, clinical study or not.

The fact is, the warning is published by official agencies. For me, that's more than enough evidence this problem does exist. For you, obviously not. So we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

Finasteride is a drug that helps a lot of people. Even if it did cause permanent side-effects in very rare circumstances (Less than 1/1500 says the clinical trials), it can still be taken by people with hairloss.

The problem is the possibility of permanent side effects was never listed by the manufacturer -- it took the regulatory agencies investigation to force them to add it. Merck would never acknowledge this fact because any rational man would likely avoid the drug if they knew there was a chance, however slim, of permanent ED from use, and sales would suffer as a result.

Anyway, you can keep pretending such side effects do not exist if it makes you feel better, simply because it wasn't listed back in 1997 when they did the FDA trials at that time. For those who value their sexual performance, this warning will make them think twice about what they may be risking to save some hair, based on an unknown risk percentage and reports from former users of the drug.

 

[barcafan]

Dr. Rassman is a hair transplant surgeon. He gains nothing by sending patients home with Propecia, rather than giving them a hair transplant. In, fact he loses business because many of his patients find out that after a year on Propecia, they don't need a hair transplant.

That's not true. There is no point to getting a hair transplant without prescribing propecia, because you will continue to bald and it will look unnatural. so contrary to what you said, his business is entirely dependent upon propecia.

dr rassman is a scumbag