For the first time in years, actual win.

Hairtomorrow

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Hey forum,

I've lurked these posts since the very beginning of my hair loss, at times searching tirelessly for solutions to what was a gradual, but losing battle.

In my early adolescence, I noticed that my hair had changed slightly. It was still everywhere on my scalp, but it was becoming finer and losing some of the weight it once had. I've always had very thick hair up to that point, which I would usually allow to grow unstyled and long-mid-lengthish, something of a "Jew-fro". It's texture was always somewhat wavy though, not curly. As if it started off straight, but became more unruly and wavy as time went on between washing. So I noticed the change in texture and became alarmed enough to seek out the help of a dermatologist. At this point, I was 21.

I was prescribed propecia, 1mg, and had to take it once a day. Forever. And ever.
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I was pretty bummed at this news, but as someone with a generally sunny outlook on things (realistic tho), I manned up and acknowledged that this minor annoyance pales in comparison to the dread of losing my hair any more than I had already. At this point, I was shedding, and I would notice hairs on my pillow and bed sheets. I still had no bald spot, but somewhat thinner hair all around then I once had. Except in the back, under the crown. Like all people who start to thin do.

The propecia worked, and had no side effects, although at times, I think the idea of erectile dysfunction being caused by it sort of became a self fulfilling prophecy. There was a part where I had to see if that was real or not but it seemed to be something I was more or less able to overcome mentally. That's kinda awkward to add in. But this is intended to be a thorough report so for all those who would benefit from this, have some.

My hair stopped falling out after a massive shed, and briefly grew longer and thicker than I think I had ever seen it grow in my life. Then, after say, a year, it started to shed again, here and there. At this point, I was 22... .5

22 and like. A half.
... Just for accuracy' sake

And had enjoyed one of the best years of my life.

After this, a year later, my hair had decreased a bit I'm volume, with a bit of an accentuated pace for the hair on the crown, which seemed to show scalp sooner than anywhere else.

So at 23 I took to styling it so that the only person who'd know this was me. For the most part, my frontal hair was still so thick that it would do it's thing and still looked awesome, although the back was starting to need some styling. I also started to shave the sides and the back down a bit lighter than usual because they grew faster than anywhere else and looked off unkept.

For the next year, things were pretty chill. Hair long. Still looked pretty great. Got a girlfriend. Hair long. Still great. For say, a bout a year more. By then, I noticed that the crown area had thinned considerably (again, to me, no one has ever noticed or brought a bald spot to my attention) and that the spot needed a definite styling routine to be concealed although it had not yet become so thin that this was as much of a pain in the *** as it was to become.

From there things took a turn for the worse.

Things at work became unsteady, girlfriend and i started arguing a lot because she was going through some heavy stuff, and in short, the next year and a half was very stressful. So by switched up I pretty much mean my life was exploding. Skipping all the chaos, fast forward to now, after dealing with all that AND other crazy life stuff as well as the post-game **** show that is the death of a relationship, I found myself in a distinctly less hairy place.

My temples had thinned a bit. The top middle part of my head had appeared to be less dense. It kinda stood weird. Like it had just become more unbendy or lacked more of itself to curl the way it did. But it was still able to grow all over my head. At this point, I had to style with various things to achieve density. Mousse. Leave in conditioner. Mad ****. And those products take somewhat of a toll on your hair's happiness also. Most of them are alcohol based and dry you out. Gel was used to throw parts in to a shape that looked as though it'd go that way.
I concealed it well. But the styling was evident. Something was going on. And that something was hair loss. I had avoided it for all these years, but my current tools had given way to the floodgates of thinning and my crown now had something of it's old appearance, but as though just one more thick lock would make it complete but it had vanished. I had to spread it out to cover the scalp or super light shining on it would show scalp. Mild light even. Sort of. Like. Of one one told you, you'd see it. Just enough to work it. Good hair to start with really pulled through there. But it was getting thin still.

So at this point I'm like ****. That's it for me. I fought the good fight. But I can't lie, I was super unhappy about it. So I figured, in my losing state, there had always been one thing that had been spoken of as a great risk, but to others, the promise of a great reward, if someone were willing to take a once a day pill routine to the next level of adding an application twice a day to the mix, one could perhaps have hair once again where there was near none but thin....

Pt. 1 end.
 
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zzzzz

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sounds like you are in the minority who continue to lose their hair on finasteride. You could try dutasteride which is a more powerful version of finasteride. something like 88% of people maintain their hair at least on finasteride. That number is over 99% in studies with dutasteride (although this is on Asian populations if I remember correctly which respond better to anti androgens, the number is still probably very high for whites, like 97%+) a half milligram daily is the standard dose used in the studies. It might give you the extra bit of inhibition necessary to stop your hairloss for good
 

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So this year, in July before my birthday, I decided to cut my hair short and start applying rogaine foam as directed once at night and once in the morning. I went with the foam because many sources said that it was easier to apply than the liquid and worked better because it absorbed more quickly. Also, a dropper and some formula dripping all over my scalp just seemed like such a messy affair.

With my hair short, but with a bit of length at the top, I found that it was easy to get it on the thinned area of the scalp at the crown, as directed. The rogaine foam has a sort of super camouflage effect if applied correctly (cleverly?) that's something I never saw anyone mention on here, and one of the reasons I wanted to write these long long posts. Because there are people out there who think they're done for and the stuff you'll read about the rogaine products is sort of terrifying and these are factors that kept me from trying it for a long time. That and the upkeep.

So check it out, if you apply it, then kinda brush your hairs out, and let it dry a little, and kinda keep styling with a comb, as it dries it kind of gives the natural shape of your thin hair a fairly intense volume boost.

If you just let it dry it's gonna clump your hair all strangely and not look good and stick that way, and when you comb it it's going to attempt to default to whatever shape it took on when the rogaine foam dried.

I was already used to styling with the mousse so I just did what I did with that to achieve volume, and I let the days run their course, with the rogaine providing something of a boost to the stylabity of my hair. This actually made me feel more confident that at the very least, I found a product that had some magic ability to make my once-great hair look pretty alright.

Two weeks later, as if on cue, the shed comes. I had experienced no irritation and no flaking, but the shed hit and it hit hard.

NOTICE****
Rogaine is a suicide mission. There are many reports of people starting this stuff, their hair in a decline, their morale low, and going in till the shed and not lasting it out. They then go cold turkey, their hair follicles fatigued and confused, unable to restore themselves in general, unable to regrow the hair that was lost in the shed.

DO NOT DO THIS.

You need to be a certain type of guy to properly get on with the rogaine routine. More on that later. It is a big deal, at the start, to decide if this is you.

Anyway, now my hairs were falling out in a big way. Most all of them were thin, fine, unhappy hairs that had composed much of the remnants of my 'do. The crown hairs were now somewhat see through officially, but because i had been cutting my hair short
(and stylishly I may add- shave the sides, it's in, and accentuates the top in a good way.) I was still in possession of JUST enough hair to fully cover that spot.

But I'm talking, looking in the mirror, holding a mirror to see the spot, making sure it's covered, manually, cuz automatic is a function that apparently life only provides to those in possession of good hair, that covers their scalp entirely. And since I no longer fit in to that category, here I am, trying real hard to look good.

My looks are kind of a big deal. I'm not THE most handsome dude. But i am pretty happy with what I have, and ladies have told me that I am, and I'm probably just being humble right now. Truth is, I'm pretty vain but in a self actualized confident way and I was *almost* gonna accept the fate of gradual thinning.

But I like how I look with hair way better. And I'm still 27. Maybe at 35. I mean, that's 35. But just a year ago it seemed that even though the gradual thinning of my hair was a real fact, everytbing was different and it was so much thicker.

I knew that the chaos I had gone through has stressed me out and taken it's toll, but i am in a better place now and I felt like I stood a chance at reclaiming at least some of my glory, before I went down without giving the last of what I had to this battle.

I like my hair. I like hair in general. I think hair is ****ing cool and i'd rather to have some than to not. So since 21 I've been fighting a war against my hair, because it has *been* tryina bounce. It's over it. It's ready to just not anymore. But I called upon it for one last attempt at restoration.

So I outlast the shed, and it stops, and the damage is done. Like I said, this is a suicide mission. If I am to end up with less to no hair after this, I view it as the natural course of things that i would have eventually faced anyway.

Fast forward to now: MONTH 4...and three quarters.

I can't believe it. Every time I look in the mirror, it's hard to believe. I try to find ways to convince myself that it's not as good as it is sometimes, even. But it is.

This rogaine has brought so so so much of my scalp back to an acceptably functional level. My temples filled in more properly, which really helped my bangs look better all around. My left temple seems to be taking to the minoxidil (5% BTW) a little more slowly than the rest of my head.

The thinning part of my crown, before i started rogaine, consisted of a very thin lower bottom right part, a whisp of hair from the middle of kinda aight hair, a very thinning cowlick, and thinning but somewhat substantial hair on the top right of the whorl.

Now, it is much much harder to find where these thin hairs are anymore on my head, both in everyday life as well as when applying the foam. Because they're not nearly as thin anymore. The rogaine worked wonders. So much of my hair came back that I'm currently growing it longish on top and shaving the sides not because I am trying to cover anything up, but because it's trendy and cool, and just what I want to do.

I feel more free and less held back by my insecurities since they have actually somewhat disappeared from this immediate reality. My hair is much fuller than it was at the start. All over. And for good reason. Here's the in between stuff I skipped, and more of why rogaine's results are something maybe everyone would want to try attaining but why the process is something many actually WONT be able to keep up with.

*You need to be super. Super stubborn to attempt rogaine. On some "my DNA will not win" sh*t.

*you need to be cool with putting it on EVERY DAY.

*FOREVER
**EVEN WHEN YOURE 50
***FOR ME THAT MEANS ILL HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 23 YEARS BY THEN.
****but there's a chance my hair will still be awesome by then.

*this stuff requires finesse. You have to put it on skillfully. Here's the biggest downside not enough people speak on:

If you use this, and it works, you probably want to have hair, right? Of course you do. I mentioned I used it EVERYWHERE on my scalp. Cutoff was the under cut. To do this, I had to adjust my daily routine considerably. By about an hour. But I've got it down to about a half hour because I've become good at it. To use rogaine foam, and have long hair, your must approximate the scalp in to parts and press lightly on the nozzle so foam trickles out, as opposed to puffing right away. Do this and apply it as if it were the dropper from the liquid type, using your fingers to rub it in, styling as you go, from one side of the head to the other.

*You will notice that 3 months supplies of this stuff will not last you 3 months anymore. So you will be paying $50 for boxes of it more often, more like every month, with longer hair. It is a total hassle to put the stuff in. It is a discipline. A routine. But not impossible and to be honest, not as taxing as it sounds. I did this to have longish hair, so I'm all in.

**i have actually started getting so in to it that I started to try to save money by buying the liquid type as well, which I forecast I can stretch for about 2 months, if I only apply it at night, some time before bed.

***the liquid type does not cause as much trouble with running all down the scalp as your hair is longer and prevents it. Also, the dropper is MUCH easier to measure, and you can achieve much precision to get the minoxidil to the parts of the scalp that need it most.

When my hair started getting extra long, I realized the foam was requiring more sprays than it used to, because when you rub it in, the other hairs absorb more of it. So I use it in the beginning of the day. I still enjoy the styling boost it provides. You gotta comb it out nice. Mess with it. Get artsy. Get to know this stuff. Because this is life now. Every day lol.

All in all, I wish I didn't have to do any of this. If I weren't as crafty and patient and determined, I would've been down for the count.

And I was. Life had my hair ko'ed and it was phasing out. But the rogaine and my throughness of application and my dedication to the routine needed seems to have FINALLY, UNDISPUTEDLY pushed the tide in my favor. I'd say that in these 4 months, I gained about the last year and a half's loss back, and it looks amazing compared to what it looked like prior. I can barely believe it works, because so many other things didn't. It's like when I started taking propecia. Actual results.

I feel great. Like I've reversed the clock. On some comic book timeline paradox ish. It's kinda surreal.

I'm a young dude. In shape. I'm 27. I may have many adult responsibilities but there's still a lot I can do before I'm older. My hair was the only thing making me feel old. It still sort of does. But I feel so, SO much better that there is no bald spot to have to worry about covering. I have not filled in entirely, but if they say by month 4 this stuff has you "beginning to notice results" and that in a year you're just somewhere else entirely. I can't wait to see where I am in a year. For the first time in a long time, I feel hopeful about hair loss. And I'm going to continue to fight the good fight.

*****OH YEAH I USE NIZORAL 1% EVERY OTHER DAY or at least 2 times a week. Depends what I want my hair to do. Also, I take a hair skin and nails vitamin, 2 times a day (2 months now) and before that, VIVISCAL for a month. I was going hard.

Anyway, I've fought this battle almost entirely alone. No one *knows* about this. I don't have pics. sorry about that. But I needed to share my struggle, and my in-progress but newly successful results with the world because I think rogaine's never been written about in a truer fashion. Somewhere out there, there's someone like me who just needs that one little bit of advice to make moves. This is for whoever could benefit.
 

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Why do asian populations respond better to anti-androgens? Lower androgen sensitivity? Would you then expect a white man with a thick beard to respond less well to it?

has to do with the androgen receptor count which is lower in balding Asians than whites on average I guess
 

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sounds like you are in the minority who continue to lose their hair on finasteride.


Minority? Most people STILL lose their hair even on finasteride. Seriously, get your facts straight and stop misinforming people.

I still did continue losing hair along with the side effects that are endless to even list, 2 other friends of mine went through the same.

Sometimes I think this forum is operated by the people who have the patients on finasteride and other similar drugs because its almost like a religious cult the way people are blindly supporting this drug with much to show for it.
 

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I agree with james on this because I myself had used finasteride and it only caused side effects. The hair loss stopped for a couple weeks but then started again.
 
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