For those who suffer permanent Propecia side effects

[majkellos]

Hi to all of you guys who suffer permanent side effects of Propecia including adrenal fatigue, loss of libido, erectile difunctions and all other sorts of related sides.

I worked very hard on this problem. I spent months to figure out what really casued these permanent problems. Was it Propecia itself or something has evolved inside our bodies and maybe Propecia created a positive environment for this condition to evolve.

I figured out exactly what it is. Yes it is right even if this is still something difficult to understand for most of the people that hardly try to understand and finally accomplish.

I tried to helpo people within this battle on http://www.propeciahelp.com but that site has an extremely problematic moderator who denies everything that goes beyond the direct Propecia action. His nick name is Mew. He is prepering himself and other members for the trial against Merck and mainly for this reason he is completely rejecting anything that might be not pointing Propecia itself.

The truth about the whole problem is obviosly linked to Propecia, but not directly. Propecia reduce DHT which plays an important role within the immune system. Androgens stimulate immune response. Unfortunetely Propecia if taken repeatedly for months years builts a high exposition for the common pathogens present within our world. These are really lifethreatening pathogens that actually exist, which normaly does not provide any harm to people due to the strong immune system. Unfortunetely not within the group of Propecia users who are automaticaly exposed to these pathogens.

The pathogen, the one that is found to be the most harmfull in terms of adrenal fatigue, chronic fatigue syndrome, chronic fatigue imunne disfunction syndrom...etc is a common bacteria called CHLAMYDIA PNEUMONIAE. This is the bacteria that has an ability to get into cells within all systems in the body and can do a really great damage. The mechanism of Propecia action makes bacteria extremely easy to get into brain, cerebellum, genitals, spine and any other central nervous system parts.

All you guys should look into the page dedicated to the treatment of Chronic chlamydia pneumoniae infection and get familiar with the CAP treatment designed to fight this bacterial abuse.

This is a very new subject and there are only a few doctors that can actually support you with this treatment, but first read everything there.

http://www.cpnhelp.org/home

This is my own personal subject on this thread:

http://www.cpnhelp.org/is_andrenal_fatigue_cause

PS: Do not dicuss this thread with anyone on Propeciahelp because saddly most of the members there belong to the church of administrator (Mew) who will never ever even try to think his current condition is basicaly chronic pneumoniae. Bad for him anyway because it leads to Multiple Sclerosis. Most of those guzs on http://www.propeciahelp.com are getting little better following the MS diet. This will be not the truth remedy for them... Complexed antibiotic therapz is required.

 

[Mew]

There's a reason you were banned from propeciahelp.com 3 times already (the latest being 2 days ago -- http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1843 -- and now you come here instead, to continue your "evangelizing" of nonsense). The reason is for propogating such delusional theories as this, with no factual or scientific research to back things up, as if you have and know the answers to everyone's problems.

There is absolutely no connection between "pneumoniae" and erectile dysfunction, gynecomastia, altered androgen/estrogen ratios etc... on the other hand, these are all symptoms which can be directly caused by Finasteride's effects on hormones.

I worked very hard on this problem. I spent months to figure out what really casued these permanent problems.

Really, and how exactly did you work "very hard" on this problem, that you should have all the answers when leading endocrinologists and researchers themselves do not yet have the answers for "permanent" side effects from Finasteride?

I figured out exactly what it is. Yes it is right even if this is still something difficult to understand for most of the people that hardly try to understand and finally accomplish.

So you've found the answers that everyone is so desperately seeking with no formal training in medicine, simply as some layman sitting at home in front of his computer spouting off whatever comes to mind? This I find amusing.

As for it being "difficult to understand", that's because what you talk about is complete nonsense, nevermind being beyond ridiculous.

I tried to helpo people within this battle on http://www.propeciahelp.com but that site has an extremely problematic moderator who denies everything that goes beyond the direct Propecia action.

I am far from problematic, I try to be as just and fair as possible. However in your case, I had numerous complaints from various forum members that you were disruptive to the forum.

Let me also remind you that you joined and spammed that site with 3 different accounts (each with differing, unrelated "stories"), trying to correlate anything and everything to the drug, and moving from one theory to the next within days ("progesterone dominance causing candida, leaky gut, insulin resistance causing brain damage, chlamydia pneumonia") with absolutely no scientific materials to backup your viewpoints, and contributing little, if nothing -- short of trying to derail people from investigating the known mechanisms of action of the drug.

BTW -- some people on there have been tested for your "theories" and all came back negative -- so that pretty much says it all.

The mechanism of Propecia action makes bacteria extremely easy to get into brain, cerebellum, genitals, spine and any other central nervous system parts.

Really, and you know this how exactly? Funny how you state such Propecia "mechanisms" operate in this manner, as if they are the de facto truth, without any scientific literature that even mentions such possibilities (nor will you ever find any studies that exist, because there is no connection to be made between Finasteride use and "c pneumonaie").

Unfortunetely Propecia if taken repeatedly for months years builts a high exposition for the common pathogens present within our world.

Here's the other hole in your theory: some guys only took finasteride for a few days and still suffered strong side effects from the medication -- as listed by Merck -- that continued after quitting... so your telling me someone got "c pneuomniae" within days? Please.

Your diatribes are simply complete nonsense. Furthermore, anyone can look up your posting history as "majkellos", "gottaproblem" and "derekjrt" and the absolutely stupid, dangerous advice on propeciahelp.com you've given as "the cure" to see the truth. For example:

http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewt ... ttaproblem

PS: Do not dicuss this thread with anyone on Propeciahelp because saddly most of the members there belong to the church of administrator (Mew) who will never ever even try to think his current condition is basicaly chronic pneumoniae. Bad for him anyway because it leads to Multiple Sclerosis.

The above is nothing but scare tactics based on self-diagnosis by an armchair, fringe poster living in fantasy land. Anyone with half a brain can see that what you post is based on nothing but your imagination. You cannot simply make claims without proof to back them up, otherwise your points are not credible. And even if "c pneuomnaie" MAY (there is still much controversy) be linked to playing a part in MS (as a quick Google search has turned up), that does NOT mean anyone who were "infected" with it would end up with MS. For example:

http://jcm.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/38/11/4274

Is Chlamydia pneumoniae Present in Brain Lesions of Patients with Multiple Sclerosis?
"Thus, this study on a large number of brain tissues suggests that C. pneumoniae is not involved in inflammatory demyelination. "

Chlamydia pneumoniae in multiple sclerosis
http://msj.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/7/1/13

"However, these elevated C. pneumoniae antibody titers in CSF did not significantly correlate with disease duration, disease course, clinical or MRI disease activity, disability or presence of oligoclonal IgG in MS."

http://www.journals.elsevierhealth.com/ ... 4/abstract
Infectious agents and multiple sclerosis—are Chlamydia pneumoniae and human herpes virus 6 involved?

Based on the large set of inconsistent observations available and given important new information regarding the neuropathology of MS, we contend that no conclusion is possible at this point regarding the potential role of either C. pneumoniae or HHV-6 in MS. We therefore propose future studies that should clarify whether, and if so how, these and other organisms function in the pathogenesis of this disease.


http://cvi.asm.org/cgi/content/full/10/5/977
Is Chlamydia pneumoniae Present in Cerebrospinal Fluid of Multiple Sclerosis Patients?

There is considerable controversy concerning the evidence from PCR analysis for the presence of C. pneumoniae in the CSF of MS patients (1, 3-7). Although other investigators have reported C. pneumoniae DNA in the CSF of MS and OND patients (4), we consider that the possibility of false-positive PCRs due to the amplification of human DNA still needs to be further investigated. In conclusion, large, multicenter collaborative studies are still necessary to confirm the possible involvement of C. pneumoniae in the pathogenesis of MS


As far as I'm concerned, you should be banned from this site as well for posting such useless drivel and directing people to take very powerful antibiotics (with their own set of side effects) which they very likely have absolutely no need for.

Either way, have a good day.

 

[majkellos]

I was banned because I did not want to accept your theory of permanent propecia side effects. This is the one and only reason for this. You are angry that a guy who came into propeciahelp group figured out what is the real problem within a few months using his open minded aproach instead of being a norrow minded person steering form the one available window of the house. Unfortunetely you are that type of person, who will only fight for his rights using only possible conclusions and finding every possible piece of scientific document to rationalize your rights.

In a real world you are making delusions and I am very sorry that your waisted time on finding these papers cannot be confronted with Dr. Rittmaster from Glaxo or any other heavy brain form Merck. Your delusional claims are mainly due to the tragic paradox of thinking which you present on the one hand looking for the scientific material that could possibly support your claims and theories and on the other hand denying everything that is scientificaly proven to be completely against it. This paradox makes you the delusional king of this bongo.

I am sure a doctor like Rittmaster would not even want to waist his time discusing anything, mainly due to your agressivness and anger to anyone who is trying to keep rational point of view. This is really unacceptable.

What i finaly have to tell you in person. I do not care for the man with such an attitude. I am sure you are dealing with CPN (or the other related intracellular pathogen) so as many others. This is a very common and in extreme cases a life threatening pathogen.

Most people on propeciahelp have nothing wrong with their hormonal profiles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Their hormons (yours too) which are in the right ranges present no abnormalities. This is the next example of your delusion.
Talking about genetic changes (5 alpha reductase damage) this is the childish and really rediculous idea, very easy to generate anyway.

Regarding CPN. Tests are unreliable, so as Lyme tests, even PCR's. All the potential treatment is considered empiricaly if you feel wrong, the treatment goes empiricaly and the reaction is evaluated between you and your doctor.
Finaly. Nobody really helped you. I did try it and it was pretty sharp in time. You ignored it so propably you will have to handle your early MS symptoms untill something more proplematic will rise on the horizone.

 

[Mew]

I was banned because I did not want to accept your theory of permanent propecia side effects

FYI -- I don't have "a theory". There are MANY theories on that site, as nobody has definite answers as to what changed in us via Finasteride use to cause these ongoing issues despite quitting the drug. People are welcome to post theories but without any scientific evidence or research materials to PROVE your points, it's all simply personal opinions based on conjecture.

Anyway, I'm done arguing here. If it turns out we all "have" what you claim, then treatment will take care of it and problem solved. But I'm not holding my breath. Also I like how you gloss over my previous response and choose not to answer my questions directly.

Talking about genetic changes (5 alpha reductase damage) this is the childish and really rediculous idea, very easy to generate anyway

Really? Lets not forget who brought up such a concept in the first place -- YOU!!!
http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewt ... light=gene

So you can't even keep your facts straight, you simply discredit yourself and I think that speaks volumes here.


Let us not also forget the fact you told us you were in fact diagnosed with having a LIVER issue which you conveniently ignored, and then continued to look for more "theories" as to why you did not feel well:

http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewt ... highlight=

Most people on propeciahelp have nothing wrong with their hormonal profiles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Their hormons (yours too) which are in the right ranges present no abnormalities. This is the next example of your delusion.

There are many men that have hormonal abnormalities post-finasteride, and even for those who do not, we still DONT KNOW if there is an androgen receptor dysfunction/loss of 5AR2 function in those tissues where 5AR2/AR is present. Nobody has been tested at the genetic level yet so we can't say if it's a hormonal issue, receptor issue, enzyme issue, pathway issue or something else entirely.

You on the other hand claim to have all the answers and try to direct people that "c pneumonaie" is their issue, no ifs ands or buts. THAT is ridiculous. If people want to get tested for this, by all means... but it likely is a fruitless pursuit IN MY OPINION.

Regarding CPN. Tests are unreliable, so as Lyme tests, even PCR's. All the potential treatment is considered empiricaly if you feel wrong, the treatment goes empiricaly and the reaction is evaluated between you and your doctor.

Ahhh yes, there's the kicker, so-called "CPN" tests are unreliable so you have to go on dubious "self-diagnoses" and "empirical" methods to determine wether you even have something or not, so quack "naturopath" docs can prescribe you multivitamins and medications you likely have no need for, keeping you believing in something so they can take your $ over and over.

Whatever man... I don't buy it, never will. And there ARE tests to confirm the presence of this bacterium, as you once pointed out in previous propeciahelp.com posts:

http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewt ... hlight=igg
http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewt ... hlight=igg
http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewt ... hlight=igg

It's just so funny how you keep changing your tune across multiple usernames and stories, to try and avoid looking like a lying fool.

Anyone who follows your posting history can see for themselves that you're all over the map and any info you give out is not to be trusted.

 

[majkellos]

First.When I joined the group on propeciahelp I was trying to gather all the puzzles together. Sorry I did not know it the very first day when I joined. Liver all the other tissues that were so badly infected (sadly some of them still are) presented abnormalities which I presented on propeciahelp site then.

Second. These issues liver, candida, progesteron/cortisol loop ( http://www.cpnhelp.org/cortisol_loop ) they are all the polaroids form the true complexed picture that I finaly figured out.

Third. Within the 7 month of my complexed antibiotic therapy, there is absolutely no doubt how greatly infected I was. It will propably take some years until I will get my CNS cleaned to the point my body will be able to trigger self repair mechanism.

We really have nothing to discuss here now. It would make some sens if you were some months on CAP and already went through Flagyl pulse. I am sure our discussion would be interesting then, to say the least.

Last thing I almost forgot. I was offended many times on propeciahelp by many users, to the point I started using some of your "great" members language.

 

[treeshrew]

Mew - why even waste your time with this nut job? Leave him be.

 

[Mew]

Mew - why even waste your time with this nut job? Leave him be.

Why waste time -- so others do not get led down a false path of delusion from someone (not even a doctor) who claims to have THE DEFINITIVE ANSWER for post-finasteride side effects (a bacterial infection), and who may end up harming themselves by trying to self-medicate or treat this "supposed", and likely non-existant, infection.

As for leaving him be, I am -- I think I've said all I need to say and have made my point in my previous posts.

Good luck with your CPN recovery Majkellos, wish you all the best.

 

[Cassin]

Take your arguing someone else or find a new forum.

This has nothing to do with HairLossTalk.com and won't be tolerated here.

Last warning to everyone.

 

[HT55]

Take your arguing someone else or find a new forum.

This has nothing to do with HairLossTalk.com and won't be tolerated here.

Last warning to everyone.

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