Group of legitimate doctors claim propecia side effects fake

[Boondock]

Basically there's an interview here from a guy who's polled 17 actual doctors to see if their experience was the same as his. They said that finasteride can cause sides, but that they cease within a few weeks of discontinuation. Allusion to propeciasideeffects basically suggests they're fear-mongering and denying people real help for hair loss by making them too scared to try the drug.

http://www.thebaldtruth.com/articles/pr ... r-fiction/

 

[BitchBoy]

does this mean my c***'s going to start working again?

 

[Boondock]

From listening to the recording, it sounds as though they believe most sexual side effects lasting long after discontinuation are psychosomatic. I suppose the fact that 99% of people getting blood tests after this come back normal supports this interpretation. So, yes, arguably things should get back to normal.

In fairness, I did experience sides on finasteride so I know they're real. But things always returned to normal after quitting the drug (which makes sense since DHT production resumes as before).

 

[Mew]

Here is a post copied verbatim from link below, which I 100% agree with. I'd trust a neuroendocrinologist's opinion, who has nothing invested in the hairloss industry, any day over those who's line of work depend on pushing Propecia.

Note Dr. Jacobs' comments about permanent side effects & acquired hypogonadism from the drug, in additional links below.

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http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums/mess ... erthread=y

"Gee... a radio host who works in the hair loss industry promoting Propecia, and a hair transplant surgeon who dispenses the drug interviews others in same industry -- why am I not surprised he found "no reports of permanent side effects" in his little poll, and despite ED and loss of libido being listed as such by both manufacturer & FDA, the radio host chooses to blame Finasteride users' ED on psychosomatic factors such as "fear of sex", "adrenaline" and "self doubt".

Anyone with half a brain can see right through this agenda -- they are in the industry and protecting their own, choosing to ignore recent publishings such as Swedish Medical Agency & UK MHRA listing permanent ED as possible outcome from use, breast cancer as possible outcome from use, Dr. Jacobs' blog posts on acquired hypogonadism from the medication, the Swedish TV and Dr. Crisler Youtube videos, Dr. Irwig's study on permanent side effects, and all the scientific evidence of what negative outcomes can occur when undergoing androgen deprivation therapy, by inhibiting 5AR and resultant neurosteroid (Allopregnanolone, THDOC acting on GABA-A receptors), nitric oxide production, and androgen metabolism (T --> DHT).

Why am I not surprised in the least? Don't worry though -- others who are NOT dependant on the hairloss industry and Propecia dispensing for their livelihood have already voiced their objective opinions and concerns, without the hand of Merck being involved -- notably Dr. Irwig and his clinical investigation into persistent side effects, and Dr. Alan Jacobs' recent posts about Finasteride induced hypogonadism. I'll take their educated opinions any day over some hair transplant surgeon and a radio host, who's sole reason to exist is to make money off prescribing drugs to young men's insecurities about hair loss.

For the latest thoughts from an objective 3rd party Neuroendocrinologist, have a read:

A Neuroendocrine Approach To Finasteride Side Effects In Men
http://blog.alanjacobsmd.com/alan-jacob ... n-men.html

The Plot Thickens, Along With The Hair, When You Mess With Dihydrotestosterone
http://blog.alanjacobsmd.com/alan-jacob ... erone.html

A Proposed Mechanism For Prolonged Sexual Side Effects From Finasteride
http://blog.alanjacobsmd.com/alan-jacob ... eride.html "

 

[Boondock]

Personally I don't know the full truth, but I think you guys shoot yourselves in the foot when you paint everything as a big conspiracy. It makes your whole cause lose credibility.


This comment:

I'd trust a neuroendocrinologist's opinion, who has nothing invested in the hairloss industry, any day over those who's line of work depend on pushing Propecia.

...is essentially claiming that an independent hair loss consumer advocate, as well as a group of hair transplant doctors, have decided to conceal side effects - and go so far as to fabricate a patient poll - in order to push a medication. A medication, bear in mind, which they don't really profit from.

I think it's a cop-out, to be honest, and more or less an ad hominem get-out-clause. "If they disagree with me, they must be corrupt and taking money from Big Pharma."

You would do better if you actually engaged with these arguments, rather than claim anyone who disagrees with you in the industry is somehow doing so out of financial gain. Making yourself look like 9/11 truthers does not boost your legitimacy among anyone serious, and makes it seem all the more likely that it's psychosomatic because these are crazy paranoid beliefs to hold.

 

[G k]

Personally I don't know the full truth, but I think you guys shoot yourselves in the foot when you paint everything as a big conspiracy. It makes your whole cause lose credibility.


This comment:

I'd trust a neuroendocrinologist's opinion, who has nothing invested in the hairloss industry, any day over those who's line of work depend on pushing Propecia.

...is essentially claiming that an independent hair loss consumer advocate, as well as a group of hair transplant doctors, have decided to conceal side effects - and go so far as to fabricate a patient poll - in order to push a medication. A medication, bear in mind, which they don't really profit from.

I think it's a cop-out, to be honest, and more or less an ad hominem get-out-clause. "If they disagree with me, they must be corrupt and taking money from Big Pharma."

You would do better if you actually engaged with these arguments, rather than claim anyone who disagrees with you in the industry is somehow doing so out of financial gain. Making yourself look like 9/11 truthers does not boost your legitimacy among anyone serious, and makes it seem all the more likely that it's psychosomatic because these are crazy paranoid beliefs to hold.

Oh yes...because and this day and age the idea of a conspiracy amongst mega-corporations and governments is just lunacy! :jackit: The world has been shaped by false flags and predatory economic bubbles. Of course everything is a conspiracy potentially.

Anyhow in all seriousness, I am glad you posted this. I am very hopeful that what they have concluded is true. I would much rather believe that these people have underlying problems that are responsible for their sides, than that this miracle drug for hairloss is actually a potential life destroyer.

 

[barcafan]

Propecia has been scientifically proven to have the potential for PERMANENT side effects. If you need to convince yourself that your ED will go away in a couple of weeks, carry on. Hairloss is an extremely emotional issue for many, therefore there will always be a confirmation bias. Any drug that dicks with male hormones can potentially f*** YOU OVER and you'd have little to no accurate way to gauge if you're going to be in the unlucky 2% or whatever it really is. Accutane is another one that has destroyed lives, but since the fda support its use, it must be safe. uke: