Hair Loss Summary Info

[Thinning Sucks]

http://www.brinkzone.com/hair.html

Is there any merit in 1.25mg proscar with a 5mg onece a week? See site.

 

[ShedMaster]

http://www.brinkzone.com/hair.html

Is there any merit in 1.25mg proscar with a 5mg onece a week? See site.

that was an interesting read. I wonder if his ideas are plausable with his stack regimine. I would like to hear thoughts on this as well. Makes you wonder though, since proscar is not like creatine or winstrol.

 

[Luther007]

I've read that article before, very interesting. I have actually based my own regimen around it.

I sent an email to Dr. Lee today asking about his opinion on the effectiveness of Folligen, and this is what he had to say:

Dr. Lee, I am curious to know what your opinion is on the use of Folligen as a Superoxide Dismutase? Is it effective? Does it work well when used together with Minoxidil? Is Tricomin a better choice? Thanks for any information!


SOD's (superoxide dismutases) are potent free radical scavengers, so they are thought to slow the aging process. That's fine, but male pattern baldness is really related not an aging process. NO (Nitric oxide) is a vasodilator. The rationale is this: if minoxidil is a vasodilator and promotes hair growth then NO should also promote hair growth, because its a vasodilator. Unfortunately, it doesn't. Minoxidil will stimulate the growth of hair follicles in cell cultures, so it is not dependent on its effect as a vasodilator.

Copper peptides have been used to promote wound healing and, by extension, it was thought that copper peptides (such as Tricomin) would be effective as a treatment for male pattern baldness. The manufacturers even began clinical trials for Tricomin to obtain an FDA approval and carried the studies through Phase ll. Phase ll trials are performed with a relatively small number of patients. The results of Tricomin were not convincing enough to spend the money on Phase lll trials, which is expensive because it usually involves thousands of patients.
Folligen contains copper peptides and is of the same ilk as Tricomin.

Richard Lee, M.D.

I'm considering cutting Folligen because its expensive and because of what I've read about its effectiveness... or lack thereof. Although, I do admit it has made my scalp feel better, so maybe that's good enough. I don't think it actually aids in GROWING hair though.

Do you guys think it would be possible to create a topical solution that would shut down the immune system at the hair follicle just enough to maintain healthy growth? Or would that lead to a host of scalp infections?

-Luther

 

[garthbrooks]

it looks like he is saying that NO does not help with hair loss. which is something i believe as well.

 

[Thinning Sucks]

What about this?:

Wash hair with Nizoral shampoo every day leaving it on the scalp for at least 5 minutes. Every third or fourth day, use a selenium based shampoo such as Head and Shoulders instead

 

[Guest]

Also what does everbody make of this:

Take one quarter of a tab of Proscar (1.25mg) with a meal and a 5mg tab every 5-7 days.

Will taking your Propecia/Proscar/finasteride with a meal make any difference?

Ty

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my regime

Proscar 1.25mg with a meal
minoxidil 5% morning and evening with a meal
Nizoral shampoo every 3 days with a meal

L-Lysine 3g taken on empty stomach (cycled 6 weeks on 2 off) with a meal
L-Carnitine 1g taken on empty stomach (cycled 6 weeks on 2 off) with a meal
Alpha Lipoic Acid 100 mg daily with a meal
Ginkgo 6000mg daily (120mg extract) with a meal
Biotin 3mg daily (spread through the day) with a meal
MSM lignisul 6000mg daily (spread through the day) with a meal
Vitamin C 3000mg (esther C) (spread through the day) with a meal
Vitamin E 1000 iu daily with a meal
Multivitamin Solgar Formula VM75 with a meal
Multiminiral Solgar Pure Amino Acid Chelated with a meal
Green Tea 3-5 cups daily with a meal
Cod Liver Oil 1000mg daily with a meal
Resveratrol 250 mg daily with a meal

L-Arginine (taken with antioxidant) 3g taken on empty stomach before bed (cycled 6 weeks on 2 off) with a meal
L-Ornithine 3g taken on empty stomach before bed (cycled 6 weeks on 2 off) with a meal
Meltatonin 3 mg before bed (cycled 3 days on 3 days off) with a meal

 

[Redbone]

Tynan you must sleep like a rock, what type of Antioxidant with the ARginine? Surely its not Oz Brew? :laugh:

 

[Guest]

I don't have time to sleep I am up all night countng out pills. :freaked:

As I take my Arginine at night I use Vit C/E Meletonin as an antioxiant, Meletonin is up there with Alpha Lipoic Acid as an antioxidant, works in the water filled inside and lipid rich membrane, and it easily passes the blood brain barrier.

Got an email from LEF today re: Arginine + antioxidants


Hello Ty,


Yes, I am sorry it took so long. Arginine can increase nitric oxide
which in turn can become a pro-oxidant. This is why antioxidants are
recommended.

Linda
LEF Email Advisor



so there you go..


Ty

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my regime

Proscar 1.25mg
minoxidil 5% morning and evening
Nizoral shampoo every 3 days

L-Lysine 3g taken on empty stomach (cycled 6 weeks on 2 off)
L-Carnitine 1g taken on empty stomach (cycled 6 weeks on 2 off)
Alpha Lipoic Acid 100 mg daily
Ginkgo 6000mg daily (120mg extract)
Biotin 3mg daily (spread through the day)
MSM lignisul 6000mg daily (spread through the day)
Vitamin C 3000mg (esther C) (spread through the day)
Vitamin E 1000 iu daily
Multivitamin Solgar Formula VM75
Multiminiral Solgar Pure Amino Acid Chelated
Green Tea 3-5 cups daily
Cod Liver Oil 1000mg daily
Resveratrol 250 mg daily

L-Arginine (taken with antioxidant) 3g taken on empty stomach before bed (cycled 6 weeks on 2 off)
L-Ornithine 3g taken on empty stomach before bed (cycled 6 weeks on 2 off)
Meltatonin 3 mg before bed (cycled 3 days on 3 days off)

one hundred brown onions (topical)
sex with the neighbours
half an hour of dog baiting (cycled 3 days on 3 days off)
35 minutes 'mind games' with the guy in the chemist shop
lashings of hot custard 2 x daily (topical)
bible study (daily)
cussin' (daily)
starring in the mirror convincing myself that I can see new velus hair that has aways been there but never noticed (2/3 hours) (daily)
sacrifice to various hair gods (chicken 2 x daily)
hair poetry (2 sonnets daily)
homemade cat hair and wood glue mix (topical)
5 bum onions (suppository bulb vegatable)

 

[The Gardener]

After re-reading that quoted email from Dr Lee, I think the myth that Dr Lee and Bruce Lee has officially been quashed.

Bruce Lee is a big proponent of Folligen, wheras Dr Lee states that Folligen has no effect on male pattern baldness?

Wait a minute... now that I think about it it could be a professional/medical opinion versus a personal/practical opinion?? Ah, the controversy goes on...

(Don't mind me, I'm just posting random thoughts to get that all-important third dot as an experienced poster)

 

[Guest]

(Don't mind me, I'm just posting random thoughts to get that all-important third dot as an experienced poster)

that's pretty shallow, posting to try and make 'experienced' poster, it kind of misses the point of what this forum is all about, sharing information on hairloss and the various paths that can be taken to address it.

Ty

 

[Guest]

whoops sorry double post!

 

[Guest]

whoops and again

 

[Guest]

does anyone know if you should put minoxidil on before or after you go to bed?


sensible answers only please.

Ty

 

[Guest]

bump

 

[Guest]

sh*t what does it take to earn four blue dots around here??

 

[Hairybush1]

huh?