Has Anyone Recovered From A Reflex-hyperandrogenicity From Finasteride At All?

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After searching for related threads and experiences on multiple forums for so long I have not been able to find ONE single finasteride user who ACTUALLY recovered from a dreaded persistent Reflex-Hyperandrogenicity.

After quitting finasteride for 7 months these sebum, itching, inflammation, shedding that NEVER stop have driven me desperate and are sending me on the edge. Nothing helps. The prescription shampoos don't help. Hydrocortisone doesn't help. Keto and SeS2 don't help and everything that were supposed to help just make my scalp ten times worse.

(On top of that I'm having terrible sleep and oscillating libido. I turn into a fatigued zombie for some days while the others I wake up in the middle of the night with rock hard erection and a burning scalp preventing me from sleep at all. I became so sensitive to any hormonal change that even having one glass of soy milk made me feel poisoned.)

Can't imagine how life could be so hard.

I feel the need to tag @Dench57 @buckthorn @Ziggyz123 How's life going for you? How do you even deal with this sh*t??

Would there be anything to help setting back my hormonal balance? Intermittent fasting?? Healthy lifestyle and exercising etc. ? I can't even go to the gym anymore because every time I do my scalp gets ten times worse right after.

I really can't imagine living the rest of my life like this anymore. Sorry for being so incoherent.
 
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WMQ said:
After searching for related threads and experiences on multiple forums for so long I have not been able to find ONE single finasteride user who ACTUALLY recovered from a dreaded persistent Reflex-Hyperandrogenicity.

After quitting finasteride for 7 months these sebum, itching, inflammation, shedding that NEVER stop have driven me desperate and are sending me on the edge. Nothing helps. The prescription shampoos don't help. Hydrocortisone doesn't help. Keto and SeS2 don't help and everything that were supposed to help just make my scalp ten times worse.

(On top of that I'm having terrible sleep and oscillating libido. I turn into a fatigued zombie for some days while the others I wake up in the middle of the night with rock hard erection and a burning scalp preventing me from sleep at all. I became so sensitive to any hormonal change that even having one glass of soy milk made me feel poisoned.)

Can't imagine how life could be so hard.

I feel the need to tag @Dench57 @buckthorn @Ziggyz123 How's life going for you? How do you even deal with this sh*t??

Would there be anything to help setting back my hormonal balance? Intermittent fasting?? Healthy lifestyle and exercising etc. ? I can't even go to the gym anymore because every time I do my scalp gets ten times worse right after.

I really can't imagine living the rest of my life like this anymore. Sorry for being so incoherent.
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how long u took it??
 
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WMQ said:
After searching for related threads and experiences on multiple forums for so long I have not been able to find ONE single finasteride user who ACTUALLY recovered from a dreaded persistent Reflex-Hyperandrogenicity.

After quitting finasteride for 7 months these sebum, itching, inflammation, shedding that NEVER stop have driven me desperate and are sending me on the edge. Nothing helps. The prescription shampoos don't help. Hydrocortisone doesn't help. Keto and SeS2 don't help and everything that were supposed to help just make my scalp ten times worse.

(On top of that I'm having terrible sleep and oscillating libido. I turn into a fatigued zombie for some days while the others I wake up in the middle of the night with rock hard erection and a burning scalp preventing me from sleep at all. I became so sensitive to any hormonal change that even having one glass of soy milk made me feel poisoned.)

Can't imagine how life could be so hard.

I feel the need to tag @Dench57 @buckthorn @Ziggyz123 How's life going for you? How do you even deal with this sh*t??

Would there be anything to help setting back my hormonal balance? Intermittent fasting?? Healthy lifestyle and exercising etc. ? I can't even go to the gym anymore because every time I do my scalp gets ten times worse right after.

I really can't imagine living the rest of my life like this anymore. Sorry for being so incoherent.
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it never went away for me, and i've basically been off of finasteride for a year (though i tried taking small doses for a couple weeks a few months ago. )

so, here's how the theory SHOULD pan out -

1) finasteride causes upregulation of AR, or increase of test which results in increase receptor binding, hair shed, miniaturization and thus inflammation.

2) you QUIT finasteride

3) your body gets back to it's normal state. normal testosterone, DHT, AND receptors BUT....

4) who the f*** knows if there is upregulation that the amount of AR goes back to it's normal state???

@Swoop - PLEASE!!! Your theory on what is happening to us?!?!?
 
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Did anyone try the hard stuff? MtF regimen like androcur +e2?
I don't think anyone should try, but maybe someone already did..
 
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buckthorn said:
it never went away for me, and i've basically been off of finasteride for a year (though i tried taking small doses for a couple weeks a few months ago. )

so, here's how the theory SHOULD pan out -

1) finasteride causes upregulation of AR, or increase of test which results in increase receptor binding, hair shed, miniaturization and thus inflammation.

2) you QUIT finasteride

3) your body gets back to it's normal state. normal testosterone, DHT, AND receptors BUT....

4) who the f*** knows if there is upregulation that the amount of AR goes back to it's normal state???

@Swoop - PLEASE!!! Your theory on what is happening to us?!?!?
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Your posts are really good.

You sound a lot more on top of things this week. (and you normally are).
 
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Pasbrillantebrunette said:
You may try root neetle powder (as a shampoo) and withe egg (in mask). Supposed to gently help with irritation and sebum. Sorry I can't help you more than that.
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This is exactly the part that drives me mad...Everything that's supposed to calm things down just end up making my scalp flare up. The other day I rubbed some aloe vera on my scalp and got a horrible rash that lasted for a whole day with two times worse shedding. But again I found out later that aloe vera has some beta-sitosterol which is a 5AR inhibitor (and nettle root inhibits 5AR too). I always get that "reflex" of androgen even from mild topicals after quitting finasteride. :(
 
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I tried an anti-histamine called bilastine and my itch is gone.
cetrizine should work too
 
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TheGrayMan2001 said:
There are no studies that I have seen to convince me that reflex hyperandrogenecity is a thing.
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Studies? Why would anyone study if finasteride accelerated hairloss? That's never going to happen. You have been a member long enough to know that finasteride can leave people way worse off. I have my own accelerated hair loss experience with finasteride to know this can happen. I couldn't believe how many accounts of accelerated hairloss I found when I was trying to figure out why my hair went to sh*t everywhere after getting on finasteride.

Use your imagination.

The body has compensatory mechanisms when there is an insufficient amount of a hormone and in some people there is an over compensation which can result in worse hairloss even with low levels of DHT.

You cause harm by clouding the issue.
 
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Samson123 said:
Studies? Why would anyone study if finasteride accelerated hairloss? That's never going to happen. You have been a member long enough to know that finasteride can leave people way worse off. I have my own accelerated hair loss experience with finasteride to know this can happen. I couldn't believe how many accounts of accelerated hairloss I found when I was trying to figure out why my hair went to sh*t everywhere after getting on finasteride.

Use your imagination.

The body has compensatory mechanisms when there is an insufficient amount of a hormone and in some people there is an over compensation which can result in worse hairloss even with low levels of DHT.

You cause harm by clouding the issue.
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Despite reading some people saying things like this, I really don't think I believe it. No studies really ever showed people getting worse off in any statistically significant numbers. People always continued the same rate of loss at worst.

The only way things get worse is if your 5AR blocker is fake, or you were just going to continue balding and DHT reduction cannot save you.
 
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WMQ said:
After searching for related threads and experiences on multiple forums for so long I have not been able to find ONE single finasteride user who ACTUALLY recovered from a dreaded persistent Reflex-Hyperandrogenicity.

After quitting finasteride for 7 months these sebum, itching, inflammation, shedding that NEVER stop have driven me desperate and are sending me on the edge. Nothing helps. The prescription shampoos don't help. Hydrocortisone doesn't help. Keto and SeS2 don't help and everything that were supposed to help just make my scalp ten times worse.

(On top of that I'm having terrible sleep and oscillating libido. I turn into a fatigued zombie for some days while the others I wake up in the middle of the night with rock hard erection and a burning scalp preventing me from sleep at all. I became so sensitive to any hormonal change that even having one glass of soy milk made me feel poisoned.)

Can't imagine how life could be so hard.

I feel the need to tag @Dench57 @buckthorn @Ziggyz123 How's life going for you? How do you even deal with this sh*t??

Would there be anything to help setting back my hormonal balance? Intermittent fasting?? Healthy lifestyle and exercising etc. ? I can't even go to the gym anymore because every time I do my scalp gets ten times worse right after.

I really can't imagine living the rest of my life like this anymore. Sorry for being so incoherent.
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Peppermint oil has helped with scalp itch. Burns a bit at first but subsides. Hydrocortisone creams & keto make my scalp itch worse as well.
 
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TheGrayMan2001 said:
Despite reading some people saying things like this, I really don't think I believe it. No studies really ever showed people getting worse off in any statistically significant numbers. People always continued the same rate of loss at worst.

The only way things get worse is if your 5AR blocker is fake, or you were just going to continue balding and DHT reduction cannot save you.
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It actually makes a lot of sense why things would get worse. Your body is in shock from the suppression of 5-ar, therefore to compensate your body upregulates expression of androgen receptors (remaining 5-ar create more DHT or tissue sensitivity to hormones is increased). There was even a study on it for prostate treatment with finasteride:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21557276

I actually think everyone has upregulation on finasteride, but some people's upregulates too much, which results in hyperandrogenicity.
 
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dralex said:
It actually makes a lot of sense why things would get worse. Your body is in shock from the suppression of 5-ar, therefore to compensate your body upregulates expression of androgen receptors (remaining 5-ar create more DHT or tissue sensitivity to hormones is increased). There was even a study on it for prostate treatment with finasteride:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21557276

I actually think everyone has upregulation on finasteride, but some people's upregulates too much, which results in hyperandrogenicity.
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^This.

I posted on tressless yesterday about this topic and Rassman posted in the same thread that finasteride doesn't lower DHT. Who the hell is this guy?

It should be common knowledge by now that finasteride can accelerate hairloss.

I would think this is something that someone wanting to try finasteride for hairloss would like to know about but oftentimes you get treated like a Holocaust denier for pointing it out, especially on tressless.
 
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