Help. Upregulation of AR After Quitting Propecia

[BoilerRoom]

Ah, well I'm essentially screwed. I recently quit propecia after using it for years only to learn that inhibiting DHT for all these years most likely causes intense upregulation of AR.

Will this return to normal? Anybody ever run across any studies about this? Months? Years?

I'm already diffused like crazy. I'm going to have to go guns blazing from now on with Apple poly, topical spironolactone, prox-n, 2% Nizoral every day, Revitalash Hair, oral capsaicin and isoflavones...and whatever the hell else I run across.

 

[Bryan]

Will this return to normal?

Of course.

Anybody ever run across any studies about this? Months? Years?

Probably a few days, or a few weeks at the most.

 

[BoilerRoom]

Will this return to normal?

Of course.

Anybody ever run across any studies about this? Months? Years?

Probably a few days, or a few weeks at the most.

Bryan, I know your not an endocrinologist, but do you think that taking propecia at too young of an age can completely prematurely end puberty?

I started propecia at 19, used it for about 6 months, and then quit after I learned that I might still be growing. I then restarted again at around 23.

I always wonder if that 10-15% hormone inbalance can signal the body to end puberty.

 

[Bryan]

Bryan, I know your not an endocrinologist, but do you think that taking propecia at too young of an age can completely prematurely end puberty?

I don't see how it could, since even the pseudohermaphrodites go through puberty.

 

[BoilerRoom]

Bryan, I know your not an endocrinologist, but do you think that taking propecia at too young of an age can completely prematurely end puberty?

I don't see how it could, since even the pseudohermaphrodites go through puberty.

Yes, but their bodies may be acclimated to that.

The increase in estrogen from propecia can close growth plates..I don't know, however, if closure of growth plates signals the end of puberty in other aspects.

 

[Bryan]

Yes, but their bodies may be acclimated to that.

Their bodies get "acclimated" to not having 5a-reductase or DHT?? I bet they're glad that their prostates and hair follicles (at the very least) never get "acclimated" to it, since their prostates stay small their entire lives, and they never get male pattern baldness.

 

[BoilerRoom]

Yes, but their bodies may be acclimated to that.

Their bodies get "acclimated" to not having 5a-reductase or DHT?? I bet they're glad that their prostates and hair follicles (at the very least) never get "acclimated" to it, since their prostates stay small their entire lives, and they never get male pattern baldness.

Aside from the ambiguous genitalia, they sound REAL lucky to escape the ravages of hair loss and potential prostate problems at middle age.

I would venture to say their puberty is at least truncated. We don't know if the excess estrogen and testosterone somehow triggers to brain to stop releasing chemicals related to puberty. My guess would be that it could indeed curtail puberty earlier than normal.


As an aside, I shudder when I read posts by Dr. Rassman at Baldingblog.com. That guy is a blatant Propecia shill, who will basically prescribe it to anyone over the age of 16. He is potentially ruining men's lives. Young men losing their hair are irrational and need someone to explain ALL of the potential risks associated with the drug.

 

[hairrific]

Up-regulation of AR is an increase in AR. Right?

Is there anything that can help prevent an increase in AR?

(I thought lignans or Pygeum did).

 

[BoilerRoom]

Bryan, I know your not an endocrinologist, but do you think that taking propecia at too young of an age can completely prematurely end puberty?

I don't see how it could, since even the pseudohermaphrodites go through puberty.

Are you sure about this?

 

[Bryan]

I don't see how it could, since even the pseudohermaphrodites go through puberty.

Are you sure about this?

Pretty sure. After all, it's at puberty when they turn from what had appeared to be little girls, into boys.

 

[Fanjeera]

And what do they become after their anomal puberty? I doubt anyone here wants to become an asexual.

 

[Bryan]

They have a normal libido directed toward women.

 

[BoilerRoom]

And what do they become after their anomal puberty? I doubt anyone here wants to become an asexual.

Stop worrying about this! This is not going to REVERSE your existing puberty. It just may slow down your remaining puberty and effect growth plates due to estrogen increases.


That being said, I really wish I never touched Propecia. If while I was taking it you asked if I had significant side effects, I would have said no. However, since coming off of it, I feel immensely better. I'm already dropping the belly fat (despite already being very thin) and **Maybe too personal** I can get an erection again almost immediately after orgasm.

It's great if your not getting sides and doing well with it, but I am never touching my hormones again for the sake of hair.

 

[BoilerRoom]

ok so propecia can cause more hair loss if one does not need it in the first place ?

I seriously doubt it but who knows. Many drugs can cause T.E.

You could, however, have been suffering from reflex hyperandrogenicity... http://www.keratin.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2861