How do I ACTUALLY get a question answered on here???

[chromedomefear]

Been asking this for a few weeks...nobody seems to be responding....and I'm beginning to wonder if these forums are a waste of time, or a drug front or something.....but here goes one last time....

I'm noticeably shedding, severely. I've been on Avodart since this past August 1. I'm taking it MWF. I'm wondering if switching to taking it every day will have any effect on the behavior of my shedding....increase or decrease the amount of shedding or the duration of the shed. I don't understand chemistry talk, or graphs about AR values or whatever all of that is...I wish I did. But if anyone has any insight, or plain language knowledge to give, I'd be very grateful to listen.

Thanks,
Chromedomefear

 

[Aplunk1]

The simple answer is, there is no definite ANSWER.

The dosage for treating male pattern baldness with Avodart isn't clear.

In my purely unexpert opinion, you should be taking Avodart once daily.

I think you should add minoxidil to help minimize the shedding, too.

 

[HughJass]

hey chrome



i switched back to avodart nearly 12 weeks ago after being on generics for a few years and it triggered a savage shed, and in the last few days im glad to say that when i give my hair a little tug now i dont pull a dozen hairs out with it, i dont want to jump the gun but i think my shed could finally be over- ill give it another few weeks before i settle on that conclusion but hopefully ive seen the last of it. Its been causing major greif. Be strong, give it time you might just be experiencing what i went through...taking avodart is a bit of an experiment so u just have to ham it out and wait and see

and as aplunk said- add minoxidil to your daily regime


all the best

 

[Jacky81]

@aussieavodart:

- How long did you take the generic version of dutasteride? What brand?
- Did you take finasteride before taking dutasteride?
- Where did you shedd? How did your front develop during all the dutasteride time?

 

[HughJass]

hey jacky


mid 2002: finasteride for one year,little response,mainly crown improvment


mid 2003: started 0.5mg daily avodart from qhi, great response temples filled in hair thickened up all over


early 2004: switched to generic dutas from united pharmacy, 0.5mg everyday

july 2006: hair looked crap, doubled dose of dutas to 1mg a day got really sick,

august 2006:switched back to genuine avodart 0.5mg every other day from melonipharma, triggered horror shed, thinned all over,temples look terrible crown even worse, added mixoxidil twice a day too

october 2006:shed seems to have stopped (touch wood)

 

[Jacky81]

Hmmmm, sounds not that good......how old are you? How is your front?

 

[HughJass]

ill be 25 in a few weeks time...........front is not the best at the moment but lets see what happens now the shed seems to have eased.........ive been taking plenty of photos so ill post them up in a few weeks or so

 

[chromedomefear]

Hey.....Thanks everybody for posting.....i was about to blow out the pilot light on this site and combating my hairloss.

Aussie,

Do you take Avodart every day?

I already use minoxidil once a day. Twice a day is not really possible.

I shower in the morning with revivogen shampoo and conditioner, and nizoral every 3 days. Then I use folligen after the shower. I go about my day, and use prox-n when I get home, and apply minoxidil before bed. And currently take avodart MWF with my osteo bi flex.

Any comments, advice, or other smart remarks about my routine from anyone would be appreciated.

Thx,
CDF

 

[CCS]

sounds like a good routine. I think the revivogen shampoo is too expensive, but it is probably gentle.

My hair is not changing much. I can't pull out much hair if I tug, but my hair has not changed much in the last 3 years of being on finasteride 2 years and starting on dutas a month ago. I do 0.5mg every day with grapefruit. I thought my hair was getting good a while ago, but now I think it is the same. A month is not long to tell, so here is hoping.

Oh, and I stopped taking finasteride. Well, I still take 1.25 mg twice a week some weeks, but its been a while.

 

[HughJass]

Hey.....Thanks everybody for posting.....i was about to blow out the pilot light on this site and combating my hairloss.

Aussie,

Do you take Avodart every day?

I already use minoxidil once a day. Twice a day is not really possible.

I shower in the morning with revivogen shampoo and conditioner, and nizoral every 3 days. Then I use folligen after the shower. I go about my day, and use prox-n when I get home, and apply minoxidil before bed. And currently take avodart MWF with my osteo bi flex.

Any comments, advice, or other smart remarks about my routine from anyone would be appreciated.

Thx,
CDF

nah mate i take it every second day, cant afford to do everyday.....im not sure i would even if i could afford it.

 

[Guest]

take it every day, just like me.

98.5% type II 5AR inhibition = awesome

keep your hair for decades perhaps.

 

[HughJass]

take it every day, just like me.

98.5% type II 5AR inhibition = awesome

keep your hair for decades perhaps.

do you know for sure thats whats happening in your body though?


is there even anyway of telling? is there a test you can do to tell how much DHT is being inhibited? anybody know?

 

[powersam]

im far more for the 2 or 3 times a week, i am now taking 5 avo pills a fortnight. mostly because it gives you around 90% of type 2 5ar2 inhibition and only 15% or so of type 1. seems more sensible to me anyway.

 

[chromedomefear]

sensible huh......taking 5 pills every 14 days is sensible? How about........that doesn't make any sense at all. I'm sorry to bag on you powersam, I'm just getting a little frustrated with some of the posts that I've seen that either don't address the topic being discussed (merely a post just to show knowledge), or a post containing advice based on opinionated info that is completely unfounded or just doesn't make any sense at all.

I'm not trying to be a prick here guys, but the entire reason I started this thread was to get genuine, founded info in it's simplest and most straightforward form for those of us that are not scientists, and do not have a comprehensive or an applicable level of understanding of terms like 5ar2, and type 1, and 98.5% type II. You might as well type in Japanese, seriously. Unfortunately, with my job and home life, I don't have time to sit down and peruse this or any other site with enough thoroughness to get to that level of understanding either. And collegechemstudent can throw as many graphs and fancy terms around as he wants, and I think it's great and all, and he's a super guy......but it doesn't help my knowledge base at all. I'm not here to dick around and waste time, or be chummy with anybody, or to become a mad scientist. I'm here to further my knowledge and understanding as best that I can, in the shortest amount of time, to optimize the results of my combat with hairloss.

If this site is not for me, then please, with every ounce of respect for it and everyone here......telll me to go, because in the years I've been on here...I think the majority of my hairloss now may be caused from the stress and confusion of trying to understand the info I get here, and decipher what is true or false from the contradicting info that different people put out.

Sorry to be such a whiney b**ch.

CDF

 

[Trebor]

Yeah I think this site is definitely not for you. You should go.

This site is for a community of people banding together to share info and become knowledgeable in ways to battle hairloss. These "graphs" and "fancy terms" are very necessary to understanding a the effect and process. It is your body, therefore you should take it seriously and learn every term you can.

I think you need to find a forum for people suffering with impatience.

I have learned a ton from this site... just by reading through a few post a day. Not by making a post of demands and being a dick.

 

[chromedomefear]

I think my post was misconstrued, or only parts of it were read. I never said I didn't learn anything, and I have always been very thankful to people that have given me info on here, and the archived posts and articles and links that I've read. Heck, I started out my venture thinking that Avacore was the answer to my situation. I don't think that I'm impatient, nor do I believe that I don't take this seriously. I've been on this site since 2003, and have invested as much money, time and interest in it that I can afford to. It is true that I don't visit the site frequently, or post frequently...and definitely not frequently enough to keep up with what is going on, or learn all of the terms and concepts. Unfortunately, sometimes I only get to use a computer once every few weeks as a result of my job. Sometimes I get a few days in a row. I never know where I'll be, or when, until I'm there......that's my life. But I only get to see my family, friends, and the rest of my life just as much, and at the same time sequences. Spending hours a day for weeks on end underwater welding metal, or ripping metal....my days on the road don't allow me much time to study much, and of what I do, the concepts are not so easy for me to understand. Maybe my intelligence level is not as high as most on here, but I'm sorry man, it has always taken me longer than the average person to understand scientific theories. I never disrespected the graphs or terms, in fact;

Unfortunately, with my job and home life, I don't have time to sit down and peruse this or any other site with enough thoroughness to get to that level of understanding either. And collegechemstudent can throw as many graphs and fancy terms around as he wants, and I think it's great and all, and he's a super guy......but it doesn't help my knowledge base at all.

is what I wrote. I truly wish I could understand everything you guys do, and have consistent time to get up to speed and keep up to speed with all of the concepts. My brain just doesn't process the concepts well. I read what I can, and take notes, order what I can, and apply all that I can on the road. Grasping ideas and mimicking regimens.

I didn't intend on offending anyone. I'd like to keep an assertive effort toward understanding hairloss, and battling it. If there is a resource out there, or a forum, that is more suitable for someone with my intelligence level, and ability to participate, then someone please give me some direction to it.

Again, sorry if I've ruffled any feathers, or wasted anyones time.

Thanks,
CDF

 

[Guest]

are you in the armed forces, chrome?

 

[CCS]

I'm just getting a little frustrated with some of the posts that I've seen that either don't address the topic being discussed (merely a post just to show knowledge), or a post containing advice based on opinionated info that is completely unfounded or just doesn't make any sense at all.

I hate to disappoint you, but I have not seen any studies about the causes of post finasteride/dutasteride shedding. I don't think anyone can give a definative answer. From your description of your NW3 hair, I doubt you have a different type of hair loss.

Here is one piece of definative info: dutasteride 0.1mg/day (that is 1/5 the dose you are taking now) regrows as much hair as proscar, which regrows more than propecia, at least in back. Also, once you build up dutasteride in your system, it is not eliminated fast, so you can take a pill every 5 days and have the effect of 0.1mg/day. Any dose between once per 5 days and once per day should give you protection. If it does not, then you won't find definitive answers to why.

 

[chromedomefear]

No JayMan, I'm a civilian underwater welder and salvage diver for an oil company.

College....thanks for the info. I guess my thinking was that shedding is correlated to the body's reaction to a new substance, and like many other reactions, once it adapts, the body will return to its normal function. So i just figured that there might be some sense in taking avodart every day to get my body used to it quicker, thus making the shed period shorter. But if I was wrong, I didn't want to literally piss away avodart for no good reason, since taking it every day won't protect me anymore than taking it MWF. I started taking it every day this week, and I'm going to take note of any obvious sides or positive shed/hairloss results.

Either way, I'm losing so much hair each day now. Every morning in the shower my hands are covered with hairs, as well the entire shower. In a mere 5 weeks, people have noticed my hairloss progression.

It truly sucks. I used to have a handle on it. Although I know it's not the end of the world, it's hitting me emotionally like I'm losing a piece of my manhood with each hair that drops to the floor.

 

[CCS]

avodart every day is strong than MWF in back. We just are not sure exactly how much. How strong it is in front is also not know.

Are you loosing hair in back as well, or just in front?

I do find it telling that you are getting a shed even at a lower dose.

A lot of guys who regrew hair on finasteride said they went through many shed cycles and regrew them.