Was it normal for men in their 20s to go bald 500-10000 years ago? If we were to eat a super healthy diet with no processed foods, drink good water with no chemicals, sleep well, and do whatever else would that reverse/stop hair loss? Has anyone tried going very extreme with something like this with any results or no?
How much of an impact is modern diets/lifestyles on hair loss for men in their early 20s?
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Just watch some historic paintings of XV century, pretty much everyone was bald. If anything I would say our current society is less bald because people is more self-aware and trying to fix it since its considered ugly by today standards.
In ancient Rome baldness was actually considered a good quality and associated with wise men lol
"A signifier of wisdom, gravitas (dignity), and severitas (sternness), male pattern baldness was considered an ideal characteristic of an upstanding Roman citizen, and was used to convey venerability on portraits of philosophers."
In ancient Rome baldness was actually considered a good quality and associated with wise men lol
"A signifier of wisdom, gravitas (dignity), and severitas (sternness), male pattern baldness was considered an ideal characteristic of an upstanding Roman citizen, and was used to convey venerability on portraits of philosophers."
Can you explain more about that 80%, I read your 2 studies about that but it is too difficult for me to understand their method. Due to those studies, which one below is true?
- If your parents have bald genetics, then you will have an 80% chance to be bald.
- If you are bald, then there is an 80% chance that you have bald genetic.
I'll link 2 studies @pegasus2 talked about for anyone interested:
Hair Loss Among Elderly Men: Etiology and Impact on Perceived Age
Abstract. Background. Androgenetic alopecia is the most common type of hair loss in men, but little is known about the etiology of androgenetic alopecia in
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Genetic Basis of Male Pattern Baldness
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It is mostly genetic, but as we know genes can mutate, over time genetic expression can be influenced by environmental factors across several generations.
I do believe that modern diets and lifestyles are contributing, particularly low vitamin D by less and less sun exposure, and diets that are more inflammatory.
Stress is also higher, I have no way to prove this, but take a look at asian countries where male pattern baldness is on the rise, there is significant stress to succeed academically and economically, social isolation is very high, etc.
I do believe that modern diets and lifestyles are contributing, particularly low vitamin D by less and less sun exposure, and diets that are more inflammatory.
Stress is also higher, I have no way to prove this, but take a look at asian countries where male pattern baldness is on the rise, there is significant stress to succeed academically and economically, social isolation is very high, etc.
It means that when two people have the same genes their rate of hair loss varies by only 20%.Can you explain more about that 80%, I read your 2 studies about that but it is too difficult for me to understand their method. Due to those studies, which one below is true?
- If your parents have bald genetics, then you will have an 80% chance to be bald.
- If you are bald, then there is an 80% chance that you have bald genetic.
I'll link 2 studies @pegasus2 talked about for anyone interested:
Hair Loss Among Elderly Men: Etiology and Impact on Perceived Age
Abstract. Background. Androgenetic alopecia is the most common type of hair loss in men, but little is known about the etiology of androgenetic alopecia in
Genetic Basis of Male Pattern Baldness
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Mutations aren't much of a factor. Genetic expression changes, i.e. acetylation and methylation of genes you are born with is not part of the genetic portion of baldness. That is counted under environmental factors, otherwise everything would be 100% genetic as the environment only affects any phenotype by adding a methyl here or removing an acetyl group there on your DNA. This accounts for only 20% of variance in hair loss.
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I'm an Asian guy and the balding rate in my country is rising very fast. I believe that environment can be a big factor in this disease.
But then we can't conclude that if the parents have bald genetic ---> 80% of the children will be bald, right?
No.
Tks that's what I want to know.
I believe that the biggest cause of that is the spread of pornography. This is one environmental factor that I think makes a large difference due to the amount of prolactin, dht and dopamine that is released by sexual activity, all three of which are potent induces of catagen.
It can be one factor. I look into no-fap community and there are some stories about regrowth hair but it's not consistent enough to be the main cause. I personally try no-fap, no p**rn for 3 months (90 days no-fap is popular within their community) but see little to no improvement in my hair loss.
Once it's lost you can't regrow your hair without drugs. The hair follicle structure changes dramatically. You can't just stop assaulting it with DHT and expect it to grow normally again. It's radically changed and no longer able to grow like before.
I may be naive, but I believe that the human body can regrowth hair even when the hair follicle is damaged. The human body can even find a way to regrowth bone for god knows how. All we need to do is find a correct way to stop the damage and the hair follicle will heal over time.
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The body developed a way to repair bone because broken bones have a huge negative impact on survivability. Damaged hair follicles are really not comparable.
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So you're saying that even if we managed to have the highest levels of WNT upregulation, absolute 0 DHT and prolactin in the follicles, highest growth factors humanly achieveable in the follicles via new miracle drugs, our native hair would be impossible to reach its full potential again?
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You are referring to this study I'm guessing?
Or perhaps this one?
Male androgenetic alopecia
Importance of the field: Androgenetic alopecia affects up to 80% of males by the age of 80. The synonym ‘male-pattern hair loss’ highlights the fact that hair loss occurs in a defined and reproduci...
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I think the point is, yes perhaps 80% of its inheritance is genetic, but the severity of its expression I believe has significantly more correlation with modern lifestyle circumstances than we think.
Damn weirdo ancestors. Had they considered balding as a bad trait, hair loss genes wouldn’t be this commonly and widely inherited nowadays
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I always wonder how did early AA socially evolved to be seen as insta loser slaphead. Someone with massive alopecia at their 20s is a literal genetic outlier and having no alopecia is the standard thing. Maybe the increment in cancer treatments and associated hairloss have switched our brain into associating it with illness and bad genetics.