Is it t/e ratios and dht that are the problem?

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This study seems to suggest its part dht, and part a ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone ratio both being abnormally high. So a reason we lose hair is testosterone and not just dht. Why doesnt someone stop this crap from binding and causing the sequence of events leading to miniaturization? It doesnt seem like anyone even mentions testosterone even though its very important. It just seems to me we now know enough to completely prevent male pattern baldness by simply stopping testosterone and DHT completely near 100 percent at just the hair follicles. That to me seems like it would completely stop male pattern baldness. Why doesnt some idiot actually do it something like RU and actually get it to market and sell it so I can buy it?

http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v116/ ... 0945a.html

 

[Captain Obvious]

I've wondered the same thing. Sort of like how babies get circumsized at birth there should be a shot or something given to babies at risk for male pattern baldness that regulates testosterone/DHT.

 

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The pseudohermaphrodites that were studied had normal levels of testosterone I believe,but no 5ar conversion of the testosterone to DHT. They never lose hair. Explain that in the context of testosterone being a huge culprit.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

The pseudohermaphrodites that were studied had normal levels of testosterone I believe,but no 5ar conversion of the testosterone to DHT. They never lose hair. Explain that in the context of testosterone being a huge culprit.

actually they had slightly higher test....roughly 15% higher.

their hormonal profiles are very similar to finasteride users.

 

[Guest]

The pseudohermaphrodites that were studied had normal levels of testosterone I believe,but no 5ar conversion of the testosterone to DHT. They never lose hair. Explain that in the context of testosterone being a huge culprit.

actually they had slightly higher test....roughly 15% higher.

their hormonal profiles are very similar to finasteride users.

okay well the fact that their test is higher only reinforces my point that testosterone is not really the culprit. i'd think that their hormonal profiles would be more similar to dutasteride users actually because of the more complete inhibiition of 5ar2.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

The pseudohermaphrodites that were studied had normal levels of testosterone I believe,but no 5ar conversion of the testosterone to DHT. They never lose hair. Explain that in the context of testosterone being a huge culprit.

actually they had slightly higher test....roughly 15% higher.

their hormonal profiles are very similar to finasteride users.

okay well the fact that their test is higher only reinforces my point that testosterone is not really the culprit. i'd think that their hormonal profiles would be more similar to dutasteride users actually because of the more complete inhibiition of 5ar2.

no its more similar to finasteride users...the pseudos have normal levels of 5arI

Im just repeating what bryan has posted before

 

[Guest]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":26baf]

The pseudohermaphrodites that were studied had normal levels of testosterone I believe,but no 5ar conversion of the testosterone to DHT. They never lose hair. Explain that in the context of testosterone being a huge culprit.

actually they had slightly higher test....roughly 15% higher.

their hormonal profiles are very similar to finasteride users.

okay well the fact that their test is higher only reinforces my point that testosterone is not really the culprit. i'd think that their hormonal profiles would be more similar to dutasteride users actually because of the more complete inhibiition of 5ar2.

no its more similar to finasteride users...the pseudos have normal levels of 5arI

Im just repeating what bryan has posted before[/quote:26baf]

oh well with respect to the 5ar1 yes. but i don't think eliminating half of 5ar1 will negatively effect hair haha.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":d2574]

The pseudohermaphrodites that were studied had normal levels of testosterone I believe,but no 5ar conversion of the testosterone to DHT. They never lose hair. Explain that in the context of testosterone being a huge culprit.

actually they had slightly higher test....roughly 15% higher.

their hormonal profiles are very similar to finasteride users.

okay well the fact that their test is higher only reinforces my point that testosterone is not really the culprit. i'd think that their hormonal profiles would be more similar to dutasteride users actually because of the more complete inhibiition of 5ar2.

no its more similar to finasteride users...the pseudos have normal levels of 5arI

Im just repeating what bryan has posted before

oh well with respect to the 5ar1 yes. but i don't think eliminating half of 5ar1 will negatively effect hair haha.[/quote:d2574]

not it wont...but it MIGHT negatively effect your body.

 

[Guest]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":0d1a1]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":0d1a1]

The pseudohermaphrodites that were studied had normal levels of testosterone I believe,but no 5ar conversion of the testosterone to DHT. They never lose hair. Explain that in the context of testosterone being a huge culprit.

actually they had slightly higher test....roughly 15% higher.

their hormonal profiles are very similar to finasteride users.

okay well the fact that their test is higher only reinforces my point that testosterone is not really the culprit. i'd think that their hormonal profiles would be more similar to dutasteride users actually because of the more complete inhibiition of 5ar2.

no its more similar to finasteride users...the pseudos have normal levels of 5arI

Im just repeating what bryan has posted before

oh well with respect to the 5ar1 yes. but i don't think eliminating half of 5ar1 will negatively effect hair haha.[/quote:0d1a1]

not it wont...but it MIGHT negatively effect your body.[/quote:0d1a1]

the FDA is generally staffed by a bunch of fraidy cats, so if they saw fit to approve Avodart for BPH I think that all you are saying is warrantless speculation.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":51714]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":51714]

The pseudohermaphrodites that were studied had normal levels of testosterone I believe,but no 5ar conversion of the testosterone to DHT. They never lose hair. Explain that in the context of testosterone being a huge culprit.

actually they had slightly higher test....roughly 15% higher.

their hormonal profiles are very similar to finasteride users.

okay well the fact that their test is higher only reinforces my point that testosterone is not really the culprit. i'd think that their hormonal profiles would be more similar to dutasteride users actually because of the more complete inhibiition of 5ar2.

no its more similar to finasteride users...the pseudos have normal levels of 5arI

Im just repeating what bryan has posted before

oh well with respect to the 5ar1 yes. but i don't think eliminating half of 5ar1 will negatively effect hair haha.

not it wont...but it MIGHT negatively effect your body.[/quote:51714]

the FDA is generally staffed by a bunch of fraidy cats, so if they saw fit to approve Avodart for BPH I think that all you are saying is warrantless speculation.[/quote:51714]

for 50+ year olds not for guys in their 20s taking it for years upon years

 

[Guest]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":bc6cc]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":bc6cc]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":bc6cc]

The pseudohermaphrodites that were studied had normal levels of testosterone I believe,but no 5ar conversion of the testosterone to DHT. They never lose hair. Explain that in the context of testosterone being a huge culprit.

actually they had slightly higher test....roughly 15% higher.

their hormonal profiles are very similar to finasteride users.

okay well the fact that their test is higher only reinforces my point that testosterone is not really the culprit. i'd think that their hormonal profiles would be more similar to dutasteride users actually because of the more complete inhibiition of 5ar2.

no its more similar to finasteride users...the pseudos have normal levels of 5arI

Im just repeating what bryan has posted before

oh well with respect to the 5ar1 yes. but i don't think eliminating half of 5ar1 will negatively effect hair haha.

not it wont...but it MIGHT negatively effect your body.[/quote:bc6cc]

the FDA is generally staffed by a bunch of fraidy cats, so if they saw fit to approve Avodart for BPH I think that all you are saying is warrantless speculation.[/quote:bc6cc]

for 50+ year olds not for guys in their 20s taking it for years upon years[/quote:bc6cc]

oh come on , htgt, you know that's garbage. yes it's true most people on avodart are not 20 years old, but a fair amount of those guys can be expected to live to 80. what's the difference between taking it for 30 years and taking it for 60? and if HM comes out sometime in the next 20 years I won't need Avodart anymore. i don't plan on having to be on this drug for longer than 40 years, but even if i was, i wouldn't worry.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":f2269]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":f2269]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":f2269][quote="JayMan":f2269]The pseudohermaphrodites that were studied had normal levels of testosterone I believe,but no 5ar conversion of the testosterone to DHT. They never lose hair. Explain that in the context of testosterone being a huge culprit.

actually they had slightly higher test....roughly 15% higher.

their hormonal profiles are very similar to finasteride users.

okay well the fact that their test is higher only reinforces my point that testosterone is not really the culprit. i'd think that their hormonal profiles would be more similar to dutasteride users actually because of the more complete inhibiition of 5ar2.

no its more similar to finasteride users...the pseudos have normal levels of 5arI

Im just repeating what bryan has posted before

oh well with respect to the 5ar1 yes. but i don't think eliminating half of 5ar1 will negatively effect hair haha.

not it wont...but it MIGHT negatively effect your body.[/quote:f2269]

the FDA is generally staffed by a bunch of fraidy cats, so if they saw fit to approve Avodart for BPH I think that all you are saying is warrantless speculation.[/quote:f2269]

for 50+ year olds not for guys in their 20s taking it for years upon years[/quote:f2269]

oh come on , htgt, you know that's garbage. yes it's true most people on avodart are not 20 years old, but a fair amount of those guys can be expected to live to 80. what's the difference between taking it for 30 years and taking it for 60? and if HM comes out sometime in the next 20 years I won't need Avodart anymore. i don't plan on having to be on this drug for longer than 40 years, but even if i was, i wouldn't worry.[/quote:f2269]

if you say so...keep in mind no one knows the effect the drug will have on you if your on it for 20+ years

 

[Guest]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":b5038]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":b5038]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":b5038]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":b5038][quote="JayMan":b5038]The pseudohermaphrodites that were studied had normal levels of testosterone I believe,but no 5ar conversion of the testosterone to DHT. They never lose hair. Explain that in the context of testosterone being a huge culprit.

actually they had slightly higher test....roughly 15% higher.

their hormonal profiles are very similar to finasteride users.

okay well the fact that their test is higher only reinforces my point that testosterone is not really the culprit. i'd think that their hormonal profiles would be more similar to dutasteride users actually because of the more complete inhibiition of 5ar2.

no its more similar to finasteride users...the pseudos have normal levels of 5arI

Im just repeating what bryan has posted before

oh well with respect to the 5ar1 yes. but i don't think eliminating half of 5ar1 will negatively effect hair haha.

not it wont...but it MIGHT negatively effect your body.[/quote:b5038]

the FDA is generally staffed by a bunch of fraidy cats, so if they saw fit to approve Avodart for BPH I think that all you are saying is warrantless speculation.[/quote:b5038]

for 50+ year olds not for guys in their 20s taking it for years upon years[/quote:b5038]

oh come on , htgt, you know that's garbage. yes it's true most people on avodart are not 20 years old, but a fair amount of those guys can be expected to live to 80. what's the difference between taking it for 30 years and taking it for 60? and if HM comes out sometime in the next 20 years I won't need Avodart anymore. i don't plan on having to be on this drug for longer than 40 years, but even if i was, i wouldn't worry.[/quote:b5038]

if you say so...keep in mind no one knows the effect the drug will have on you if your on it for 20+ years[/quote:b5038]

this post is even funnier when you consider the fact that you've mentioned you might switch to it soon. and you're lecturing me on caution. give me a break.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":ef039]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":ef039]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":ef039][quote="JayMan":ef039][quote="hair today gone tomorrow":ef039][quote="JayMan":ef039]The pseudohermaphrodites that were studied had normal levels of testosterone I believe,but no 5ar conversion of the testosterone to DHT. They never lose hair. Explain that in the context of testosterone being a huge culprit.

actually they had slightly higher test....roughly 15% higher.

their hormonal profiles are very similar to finasteride users.

okay well the fact that their test is higher only reinforces my point that testosterone is not really the culprit. i'd think that their hormonal profiles would be more similar to dutasteride users actually because of the more complete inhibiition of 5ar2.

no its more similar to finasteride users...the pseudos have normal levels of 5arI

Im just repeating what bryan has posted before

oh well with respect to the 5ar1 yes. but i don't think eliminating half of 5ar1 will negatively effect hair haha.

not it wont...but it MIGHT negatively effect your body.[/quote:ef039]

the FDA is generally staffed by a bunch of fraidy cats, so if they saw fit to approve Avodart for BPH I think that all you are saying is warrantless speculation.[/quote:ef039]

for 50+ year olds not for guys in their 20s taking it for years upon years[/quote:ef039]

oh come on , htgt, you know that's garbage. yes it's true most people on avodart are not 20 years old, but a fair amount of those guys can be expected to live to 80. what's the difference between taking it for 30 years and taking it for 60? and if HM comes out sometime in the next 20 years I won't need Avodart anymore. i don't plan on having to be on this drug for longer than 40 years, but even if i was, i wouldn't worry.[/quote:ef039]

if you say so...keep in mind no one knows the effect the drug will have on you if your on it for 20+ years[/quote:ef039]

this post is even funnier when you consider the fact that you've mentioned you might switch to it soon. and you're lecturing me on caution. give me a break.[/quote:ef039]

yah...the reason why im not on it from the get-go is because of caution. Im just following the advice of michael barry...who knows 1000x more than you do....he doesnt seem to be 100% convinced that it is safe.

 

[Guest]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":b6611]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":b6611]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":b6611]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":b6611][quote="JayMan":b6611][quote="hair today gone tomorrow":b6611][quote="JayMan":b6611]The pseudohermaphrodites that were studied had normal levels of testosterone I believe,but no 5ar conversion of the testosterone to DHT. They never lose hair. Explain that in the context of testosterone being a huge culprit.

actually they had slightly higher test....roughly 15% higher.

their hormonal profiles are very similar to finasteride users.

okay well the fact that their test is higher only reinforces my point that testosterone is not really the culprit. i'd think that their hormonal profiles would be more similar to dutasteride users actually because of the more complete inhibiition of 5ar2.

no its more similar to finasteride users...the pseudos have normal levels of 5arI

Im just repeating what bryan has posted before

oh well with respect to the 5ar1 yes. but i don't think eliminating half of 5ar1 will negatively effect hair haha.

not it wont...but it MIGHT negatively effect your body.[/quote:b6611]

the FDA is generally staffed by a bunch of fraidy cats, so if they saw fit to approve Avodart for BPH I think that all you are saying is warrantless speculation.[/quote:b6611]

for 50+ year olds not for guys in their 20s taking it for years upon years[/quote:b6611]

oh come on , htgt, you know that's garbage. yes it's true most people on avodart are not 20 years old, but a fair amount of those guys can be expected to live to 80. what's the difference between taking it for 30 years and taking it for 60? and if HM comes out sometime in the next 20 years I won't need Avodart anymore. i don't plan on having to be on this drug for longer than 40 years, but even if i was, i wouldn't worry.[/quote:b6611]

if you say so...keep in mind no one knows the effect the drug will have on you if your on it for 20+ years[/quote:b6611]

this post is even funnier when you consider the fact that you've mentioned you might switch to it soon. and you're lecturing me on caution. give me a break.[/quote:b6611]

yah...the reason why im not on it from the get-go is because of caution. Im just following the advice of michael barry...who knows 1000x more than you do....he doesnt seem to be 100% convinced that it is safe.[/quote:b6611]


1000x is clearly an exaggeration large.

there isn't enough info out there on hair loss for anyone to know 1000 times as much as i do.

but Bryan also knows a lot and has posted that he thinks it is safe.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":926ab]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":926ab]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":926ab][quote="JayMan":926ab][quote="hair today gone tomorrow":926ab][quote="JayMan":926ab][quote="hair today gone tomorrow":926ab][quote="JayMan":926ab]The pseudohermaphrodites that were studied had normal levels of testosterone I believe,but no 5ar conversion of the testosterone to DHT. They never lose hair. Explain that in the context of testosterone being a huge culprit.

actually they had slightly higher test....roughly 15% higher.

their hormonal profiles are very similar to finasteride users.

okay well the fact that their test is higher only reinforces my point that testosterone is not really the culprit. i'd think that their hormonal profiles would be more similar to dutasteride users actually because of the more complete inhibiition of 5ar2.

no its more similar to finasteride users...the pseudos have normal levels of 5arI

Im just repeating what bryan has posted before

oh well with respect to the 5ar1 yes. but i don't think eliminating half of 5ar1 will negatively effect hair haha.

not it wont...but it MIGHT negatively effect your body.[/quote:926ab]

the FDA is generally staffed by a bunch of fraidy cats, so if they saw fit to approve Avodart for BPH I think that all you are saying is warrantless speculation.[/quote:926ab]

for 50+ year olds not for guys in their 20s taking it for years upon years[/quote:926ab]

oh come on , htgt, you know that's garbage. yes it's true most people on avodart are not 20 years old, but a fair amount of those guys can be expected to live to 80. what's the difference between taking it for 30 years and taking it for 60? and if HM comes out sometime in the next 20 years I won't need Avodart anymore. i don't plan on having to be on this drug for longer than 40 years, but even if i was, i wouldn't worry.[/quote:926ab]

if you say so...keep in mind no one knows the effect the drug will have on you if your on it for 20+ years[/quote:926ab]

this post is even funnier when you consider the fact that you've mentioned you might switch to it soon. and you're lecturing me on caution. give me a break.[/quote:926ab]

yah...the reason why im not on it from the get-go is because of caution. Im just following the advice of michael barry...who knows 1000x more than you do....he doesnt seem to be 100% convinced that it is safe.[/quote:926ab]


1000x is clearly an exaggeration large.

there isn't enough info out there on hair loss for anyone to know 1000 times as much as i do.

but Bryan also knows a lot and has posted that he thinks it is safe.[/quote:926ab]

ok not a 1000 but 100...does that make you feel better.

well if 1 guy says it thinks its safe and 1 isnt too sure...id err on the side of caution...thats just me though.

 

[Guest]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":1d2b0]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":1d2b0]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":1d2b0]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":1d2b0][quote="JayMan":1d2b0][quote="hair today gone tomorrow":1d2b0][quote="JayMan":1d2b0][quote="hair today gone tomorrow":1d2b0][quote="JayMan":1d2b0]The pseudohermaphrodites that were studied had normal levels of testosterone I believe,but no 5ar conversion of the testosterone to DHT. They never lose hair. Explain that in the context of testosterone being a huge culprit.

actually they had slightly higher test....roughly 15% higher.

their hormonal profiles are very similar to finasteride users.

okay well the fact that their test is higher only reinforces my point that testosterone is not really the culprit. i'd think that their hormonal profiles would be more similar to dutasteride users actually because of the more complete inhibiition of 5ar2.

no its more similar to finasteride users...the pseudos have normal levels of 5arI

Im just repeating what bryan has posted before

oh well with respect to the 5ar1 yes. but i don't think eliminating half of 5ar1 will negatively effect hair haha.

not it wont...but it MIGHT negatively effect your body.[/quote:1d2b0]

the FDA is generally staffed by a bunch of fraidy cats, so if they saw fit to approve Avodart for BPH I think that all you are saying is warrantless speculation.[/quote:1d2b0]

for 50+ year olds not for guys in their 20s taking it for years upon years[/quote:1d2b0]

oh come on , htgt, you know that's garbage. yes it's true most people on avodart are not 20 years old, but a fair amount of those guys can be expected to live to 80. what's the difference between taking it for 30 years and taking it for 60? and if HM comes out sometime in the next 20 years I won't need Avodart anymore. i don't plan on having to be on this drug for longer than 40 years, but even if i was, i wouldn't worry.[/quote:1d2b0]

if you say so...keep in mind no one knows the effect the drug will have on you if your on it for 20+ years[/quote:1d2b0]

this post is even funnier when you consider the fact that you've mentioned you might switch to it soon. and you're lecturing me on caution. give me a break.[/quote:1d2b0]

yah...the reason why im not on it from the get-go is because of caution. Im just following the advice of michael barry...who knows 1000x more than you do....he doesnt seem to be 100% convinced that it is safe.[/quote:1d2b0]


1000x is clearly an exaggeration large.

there isn't enough info out there on hair loss for anyone to know 1000 times as much as i do.

but Bryan also knows a lot and has posted that he thinks it is safe.[/quote:1d2b0]

ok not a 1000 but 100...does that make you feel better.

well if 1 guy says it thinks its safe and 1 isnt too sure...id err on the side of caution...thats just me though.[/quote:1d2b0]

bryan knows just about everything there is to know about this subject.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":c51c4]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":c51c4]

[quote="hair today gone tomorrow":c51c4][quote="JayMan":c51c4][quote="hair today gone tomorrow":c51c4][quote="JayMan":c51c4][quote="hair today gone tomorrow":c51c4][quote="JayMan":c51c4][quote="hair today gone tomorrow":c51c4][quote="JayMan":c51c4]The pseudohermaphrodites that were studied had normal levels of testosterone I believe,but no 5ar conversion of the testosterone to DHT. They never lose hair. Explain that in the context of testosterone being a huge culprit.

actually they had slightly higher test....roughly 15% higher.

their hormonal profiles are very similar to finasteride users.

okay well the fact that their test is higher only reinforces my point that testosterone is not really the culprit. i'd think that their hormonal profiles would be more similar to dutasteride users actually because of the more complete inhibiition of 5ar2.

no its more similar to finasteride users...the pseudos have normal levels of 5arI

Im just repeating what bryan has posted before

oh well with respect to the 5ar1 yes. but i don't think eliminating half of 5ar1 will negatively effect hair haha.

not it wont...but it MIGHT negatively effect your body.[/quote:c51c4]

the FDA is generally staffed by a bunch of fraidy cats, so if they saw fit to approve Avodart for BPH I think that all you are saying is warrantless speculation.[/quote:c51c4]

for 50+ year olds not for guys in their 20s taking it for years upon years[/quote:c51c4]

oh come on , htgt, you know that's garbage. yes it's true most people on avodart are not 20 years old, but a fair amount of those guys can be expected to live to 80. what's the difference between taking it for 30 years and taking it for 60? and if HM comes out sometime in the next 20 years I won't need Avodart anymore. i don't plan on having to be on this drug for longer than 40 years, but even if i was, i wouldn't worry.[/quote:c51c4]

if you say so...keep in mind no one knows the effect the drug will have on you if your on it for 20+ years[/quote:c51c4]

this post is even funnier when you consider the fact that you've mentioned you might switch to it soon. and you're lecturing me on caution. give me a break.[/quote:c51c4]

yah...the reason why im not on it from the get-go is because of caution. Im just following the advice of michael barry...who knows 1000x more than you do....he doesnt seem to be 100% convinced that it is safe.[/quote:c51c4]


1000x is clearly an exaggeration large.

there isn't enough info out there on hair loss for anyone to know 1000 times as much as i do.

but Bryan also knows a lot and has posted that he thinks it is safe.[/quote:c51c4]

ok not a 1000 but 100...does that make you feel better.

well if 1 guy says it thinks its safe and 1 isnt too sure...id err on the side of caution...thats just me though.[/quote:c51c4]

bryan knows just about everything there is to know about this subject.[/quote:c51c4]

no one know everything about the subject.
I think mike barry knows just as much...and has a more open mind.

 

[Guest]

he doesn't and it would freely admit it. michael barry knows a ton though.

 

[hair today gone tomorrow]

the fact remains that NO ONE knows the long term effects of dutasteride...not bryan not proctor not lee not barry.

so its a risk.