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thinstinks

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i asked dr lee a few questions and some Dr clifford or something wrote me back......i asked him if it was possible that minoxidil could make your
hair worse>>>>>i think mine is alot worse
he writes back, DEFINATELY NOT
oh but then he writes how bcause i am using it once a day it is accelerating my male pattern baldness!!!!!!!!! so basically i ruined my hair b/c i only used it
once a day!!

what a c*** sucker, this cant be true
any help before i drive all the way to cali and beat the snot out of some
poor Doctor ive never met
 

Bismarck

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Did he really say that minoxidil did accelerate your loss because of applying it only once a day???????
Can't believe this :freaked:

bis
 

hopewas

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:freaked:

oh sh*t. i've been applying it once a day and my hair is worse. i guess it's time to start applyingit twice aday again. there goes my schedule
 

thinstinks

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hopewas said:
:freaked:

oh sh*t. i've been applying it once a day and my hair is worse. i guess it's time to start applyingit twice aday again. there goes my schedule
are you serious or kiddin??

quote from the cockbag
"The shedding you are experiencing is not being caused by any treatment you are on unless you are not consistent with your treatment. If you have been consistent with treatment, which I don't think you have been, then you are experiencing a genetically predisposed accelerated hair loss. By definition, if male pattern baldness doesn't respond to proper therapy, it is because of the genetic expression of an accelerated progression of male pattern baldness"
...............i havent missed a single application!!!! what a f***

"You will have to make a judgment on whether you want to follow our advice or not.

Best wishes,

what a dick
 

hopewas

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well since i've been applying it once a day my hair has gotten worse. it might be a coincidence but i'm running out of options. i will try finasteride with minoxidil twice a day instead of once. if that doesn't work..i'm just shaving it. f*** it. it will ruin my schedule but oh well. i'm planning on applying it at night and then again at 230 in the morning to not ruin my shedule
 

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I have always applied it once a day and it has worked very well, this is crap, they just want us to use more of their products $$$$$$$$ :evil: Ignore that advice & look at their motivation.

P.S. a friend of mine also uses minoxidil once a day (9 months) and has seen great results :)
 

badsha

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minoxidil doesnt work for everyone. But it may work if you use it with finasteride, since some doctors say there is a synergestic effect.
 

HairlossTalk

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Dr. Lee is currently on vacation.

That's odd that this guy said that. Dr. Sawaya told me pretty plainly that she thinks Minoxidil does not need to be used more than once per day. She said she thinks the whole twice per day thing is just a way to sell more Rogaine.

Thats also conjecture considering the FDA trials were done on 2x per day application, but ... its just as much conjecture for this man to be saying 1x per day will make hair worse.

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too bald too furious

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HairLossTalk.com Moderator..i must say..i love your avatar. It gives me a feeling that the angel/god to help ppl with hair loss is in the picture...thanks for giving great advices as always :lol:
 

muii

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I actually had met with both Dr. Lee and Dr. Clifford at the same time several months back, Dr. lee seemed very knowledgeable while Clifford did not impress me at all, he did not know too much it appeared, this was at the time Lee was announcing his retirement and making the transition for Clifford to start doing consultations, etc...
 

The Gardener

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Personally speaking, I trust Dr Lee. Don't know much about Dr Clifford, but if Lee likes him then I am inclined to trust him as well. Just my opinion.

Dr Lee has always responded to my questions in a timely manner, and he runs a very professional shop. On his website, if you click on any of the documentation links to his products he has all of his clinical info. He doesn't make ostentatious claims, just quotes the science, and most of all he delivers his product reliably in an expeditious manner. As far as I am concerned, Regrowth is about as professional a shop as you will find in terms of male pattern baldness consultation. Just my two cents.

As for the minoxidil once a day issue, I think you are hearing him, but not listening. minoxidil causes sheds. These sheds are and should be offset in time by regrowth. If you don't take enough minoxidil to spur regrowth, then you will suffer the notorious 'minoxidil shed' and not regrow. Those hairs will inevitably come back, but once a day application means that your hairline might suffer with sheds a bit longer than if you took it twice a day, as directed and as statistics show are effective per the US FDA trial data.
 

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Here we go again. I just wrote Dr. Lee by email and asked basically the same questions. Dr. Clifford responded. Here's the questions (in italics) and Dr. Clifford's answers (in bold):

Hello Dr. Lee,

I'm a new patient of yours and have just received my Xandrox 5% and spironolactone 5%. I have used the spironolactone every day, at least 2x/day, sometimes 3x/day. However, I was apprehensive about the minoxidil due to the shedding, epecially in the front, at the hairline and temples.

I'm about a Norwood 2, or maybe between a 1 and 2, but definitely thinning in the front and receding just a bit at the temples. It's not really noticeable yet to anyone but me. I felt like the minoxidil was causing me to recede further.

Do these internet forum rumors about minoxidil. causing permanent shedding have any truth to them?


MINOXIDIL CAN NOT REVERSE ALL MALE PATTERN BALDNESS, BUT MINOXIDIL DOES NOT CAUSE PERMANENT SHEDDING.

You should not stop using minoxidil at any time in your treatment program. If you do stop using minoxidil, you will have a lot of shedding. You will understand why after you read further.

Minoxidil does not cause an adverse reaction. That is, minoxidil does not cause follicles to go into the telogen phase.

Only follicles that are in the telogen phase shed.

About 10% of anyone's follicles are in varying stages of the telogen phase. 1% of them are in the 1st day of the telogen phase, another 1% are in the second day of the telogen phase and so forth. The telogen phase lasts about 100 days. Those follicles that are at the end of the telogen phase shed. Those at the beginning of the telogen phase are easy to pull out but do not automatically shed.

The good thing about minoxidil: Minoxidil holds follicles in the anagen phase. When follicles are in the anagen phase, they do not shed, they do not miniaturize, and they keep growing. Minoxidil also causes follicles in the telogen phase that were scheduled to shed anyway, to shed early. That is, those follicles that are easily dislodged, will shed before the end of the 100 days with minoxidil. This is not significant, and when these same follicles grow back, they will stay in the anagen phase longer because as I have already said, minoxidil holds follicles in the anagen phase. But if you stop using minoxidil, the follicles at risk that were being held in the anagen phase will go into the telogen phase and shed. There will be lots of shedding if you stop using minoxidil.



Have you seen anyone shed frontal hair and never grow it back on minoxidil?

Yes, 17% of patients are not helped by any topical treatments. They shed with or without minoxidil and don't grow back their hair with or without minoxidil.

I'm asking because I really want to use it but am afraid I'll permanently lose my frontal hair.

Understand that drugs such as Azelaic acid, spironolactone and finasteride (Propecia) protect the follicles from DHT in the scalp but protecting from DHT in the scalp isn't the whole solution. Even men who have been castrated for treatment of prostate cancer and have no source of DHT will stop the balding process, but they do not grow back significant amounts of hair (unless they also use minoxidil as a hair growth stimulant). That's why a combination of minoxidil and an anti-androgen is important for growth outside the vertex/crown area.


Anyway, thanks for a great line of products. I love the 5% spironolactone cream.

You will think the 5% is even greater if you use it with minoxidil. I doubt you will have much success without minoxidil.

Best wishes,

Daniel Clifford, M.D



I know Dr. Clifford is not Dr. Lee, but he is his partner, so I'm assuming this position is also Dr. Lee's position. Several other docs I've read on the web also believe strongly in minoxidil. I've started using it TWICE a day, and will continue.
 

bombscience

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HairlossTalk said:
Dr. Lee is currently on vacation.

That's odd that this guy said that. Dr. Sawaya told me pretty plainly that she thinks Minoxidil does not need to be used more than once per day. She said she thinks the whole twice per day thing is just a way to sell more Rogaine.

Thats also conjecture considering the FDA trials were done on 2x per day application, but ... its just as much conjecture for this man to be saying 1x per day will make hair worse.

HairLossTalk.com

I exchanged a bunch of intelligent emails with Dr. Clifford. He actually helped out a lot with some things I was trying to figure out. However, he did write me a similar response about minoxidil which freaked me out a bit.
 
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I drink regaine for one time in day maybe this say I drink for two time in day? already for one time make feel soullenéz (illness) and sick, but for two time in day make for very much sick?? :(

Alléiec Ounie

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blue

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I think you need to lay off so much of that stuff Branco,try drinking more peto-bismol.
 
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