Lower dose reduces gyno sides?

[skallagrimur]

A little intro - question on the bottom..

I tried 1/4 proscar in 2008 and got gyno. I didn't realize it at the time. But I did stop taking the pill after about 4-6 months because I didn't believe it was doing anything (I didn't do any research). I got surgery in 2009 and everything ended well.

In May of this year I got interested in fighting my hair loss again. I did research this time and found out that finasteride, minoxidil and nizoral were the way to go.

Now, since I didn't realize at the time that I got gyno because of finasteride, I just didn't think much of it, and dived strait into taking 1 mg finasteride every day.

Well, what do you know, in about 2 months I felt that my breasts (left one inparticulary) where getting bigger and I felt a lump beneath my left nipple, inside the breast. I can't say if I'm finding one on the right one, maybe.

I quit oral finasteride last month but am using topical finasteride while I wait for my minoxidil order to arrive.

I have gained a few kilos/pounds this year so the breast enlargement can be somewhat put on that. I am eating healthier and exercising to get into shape. Since I can mainly feel the enlargement and not see it, it won't take that much time.

I'm thinking of giving propecia another try in a few months, when I feel my chest is ready.

Question:
Can I expect lowering my finasteride dose from 1mg to 0.25mg would stop the gyno effect? Has someone had success with this?

 

[Mew]

Can I expect lowering my finasteride dose from 1mg to 0.25mg would stop the gyno effect? Has someone had success with this?

Lowering dosage won't make any diff due to near flat dose response of drug. 0.2mg is almost same as 5mg in terms of DHT inhibition, as noted in FDA Clinical trials.

http://www.physics.upenn.edu/facultyinf ... peciafda2/

If you want to disregard this information anyway and chance growing some boobs, don't say you weren't given a headsup beforehand.

 

[wesleyBelgium]

its your aromatization that you need to halt ...

i'm using 1/4 of arimidex... thats a daily dose of 0,25mg arimidex
not because i got gyno , its to prevent this, sinds i'm also on sustanon250 for the summer... so its to block the extra testo to tranform into estrogen , and develop gyno...

so if you get gyno from fina, as far as i know it would be safe if you take 1mg fina a day , and 0,25mg arimidex every day...

just an option for you , you dont need to take my advice....
but i think its that or quiting fina....

 

[Ende]

Can I expect lowering my finasteride dose from 1mg to 0.25mg would stop the gyno effect? Has someone had success with this?

Lowering dosage won't make any diff due to near flat dose response of drug. 0.2mg is almost same as 5mg in terms of DHT inhibition, as noted in FDA Clinical trials.

http://www.physics.upenn.edu/facultyinf ... peciafda2/

If you want to disregard this information anyway and chance growing some boobs, don't say you weren't given a headsup beforehand.

True. In my experience, there was no difference between 1 mg and 0.25 mg, regarding side effects.

 

[skallagrimur]

its your aromatization that you need to halt ...

i'm using 1/4 of arimidex... thats a daily dose of 0,25mg arimidex
not because i got gyno , its to prevent this, sinds i'm also on sustanon250 for the summer... so its to block the extra testo to tranform into estrogen , and develop gyno...

so if you get gyno from fina, as far as i know it would be safe if you take 1mg fina a day , and 0,25mg arimidex every day...

just an option for you , you dont need to take my advice....
but i think its that or quiting fina....

I actually did order Arimidex earlier this summer when I realized this. But when it arrived threw the mail, customs didn't let it get threw because drugs from non-EU countries are not aloud in my country. Do you buy your Arimidex from a EU or non-EU drugstore?

Would I have to take Arimidex all the time I was on finasteride or does my body get used to finasteride with time?

 

[skallagrimur]

Can I expect lowering my finasteride dose from 1mg to 0.25mg would stop the gyno effect? Has someone had success with this?

Lowering dosage won't make any diff due to near flat dose response of drug. 0.2mg is almost same as 5mg in terms of DHT inhibition, as noted in FDA Clinical trials.

http://www.physics.upenn.edu/facultyinf ... peciafda2/

If you want to disregard this information anyway and chance growing some boobs, don't say you weren't given a headsup beforehand.

That makes me wonder why everybody doesn't split there propecia pills into 4 and save 75% of their money..

 

[Ende]

Would I have to take Arimidex all the time I was on finasteride or does my body get used to finasteride with time?

You would probably have to use it as long as you're using finasteride.

 

[wesleyBelgium]

yep , as long as you use fina, you will need to take 0,25mg arimidex also

well i got mine from a supplyer at the gym....
if you know people that use steriods , they can help you
ordering online , the customs could hold it back , sinds its a strong med....

maybe seek a supplyer of it in your country.... seek with google....

 

[skallagrimur]

What about long time side effects from Arimidex?

Did you first try Tamoxifen?
I saw a study online wher 6 men with gyno took Tamoxifen for 1 month and 5 lost it in that month and the last one had to take for while longer, but did eventually get rid off it.

 

[Ende]

Forget nolvadex. You need an aromatase inhibitor to deal with side effects from finasteride. There shouldn't be any side effects from arimidex, if you don't drive your estrogen level too low. It's hard to dose correctly, and you shouldn't use it without the support of a doctor.

 

[wesleyBelgium]

from ergonics :

1mg arimidex lowers estrogen with 48% , and there was a rise in testosteron of 58%....

but with 1/2 to 1/4th arimidex the reduction would be a low 15 - 20%....
i think this would work best to prevent gyno ....

as far as i know its the only drug that suppress the aromatization of testo into estrogen , that has nog side effect....

just be carefull sinds there is a verry slicht chanse that it make the risk of bloodpieces higher , so if you take 1mg a day for severe gyno , it would be safer to add some asprine to keep your blood thin....
but still its less then 1 to 10.000 users , so its rare, but the danger is still there

 

[Ende]

from ergonics :

1mg arimidex lowers estrogen with 48% , and there was a rise in testosteron of 58%....

but with 1/2 to 1/4th arimidex the reduction would be a low 15 - 20%....
i think this would work best to prevent gyno ....

as far as i know its the only drug that suppress the aromatization of testo into estrogen , that has nog side effect....

just be carefull sinds there is a verry slicht chanse that it make the risk of bloodpieces higher , so if you take 1mg a day for severe gyno , it would be safer to add some asprine to keep your blood thin....
but still its less then 1 to 10.000 users , so its rare, but the danger is still there

Men rarely uses more than 0.5 mg twice a week for controlling estrogen, and even that is too much for many of us. 1 mg a day is what breast cancer patients use. You'll experience some heavy side effects if you drive your estrogen level too low.

 

[dougfunny]

from ergonics :

1mg arimidex lowers estrogen with 48% , and there was a rise in testosteron of 58%....

but with 1/2 to 1/4th arimidex the reduction would be a low 15 - 20%....
i think this would work best to prevent gyno ....

I don't think there is actually much of a difference. There is almost no difference between .5mg and 1mg IIRC.

 

[skallagrimur]

Now I just have to figure out how to get my hands on some Arimidex..

 

[wesleyBelgium]

i use 1/4 th arimidex every day....
in conjuction with a weekly injection of 1ml sustanon250 ( just for the summer to get some more muscles)

i can say that i feel the arimidex working, bodyfat is getting lower and lower
on my hair i cant see any setbacks....

i use also asc-j9 2 - 3 times a day to destroy the androgen receptors on my scalp , and i orderd also some s5 creme also to be 300% sure i dont damage my hair....

but arimidex is good stuff for more bodyfat and gyno from use of 5ar inhibitors...

also , on bodybuildingsites they advice every other day 1/2 arimidex....
so 1/4th daily is as low dose as you can do...

 

[Ende]

The OP doesn't use steroids. 0.25 mg every day is way too much.

 

[wesleyBelgium]

yep , but if you have allready gyno , i doubt that 1/4 th pill would be as strong as needed to get the gyno away again....

you need to take something, you cant split the pills into 6 or more pieces....

http://www.healthandfitnesstalk.com/for ... 29865.html

 

[Ende]

It's all about balance. I used 1 mg twice a week the first time, and hit the bottom within three weeks. I seem to be balanced with 0.25 mg 3x week, and I'm on steroids too. Going to do a blood test monday, to see what's going on.