mechanical cure. proof inside.

[2young2retire]

duplicative surgery appears to be proven in this paper conducted in rome.

yields were like 72% regen so with some simple math. a norwood 7 with poor density would get like 3000 hairs from whom 2100 would regenerate.

the same baldie would visit again the clinic and harvest the 2100 regenerated hairs from whom 1470 would regenerate.

the same baldie would for third time visit the clinic and harvest the 1470 regenrated hairs from whom 1030 would regenrate

and for a forth time he could be able to harvest 1030 from the whom 700 would regenrate.

lets stop here cause it seems like a joke. but it is not. that baldie would get a total of 3000+2100+1470+1030+700=8300 hairs on the recipient.

then he would be possibly getting an smp to add virtual thickness.

no talk about the possibilities of lower norwoods.

proof of viable method.----> http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss/img/uploaded_files/2879_file43.pdf

this was five years ago. i mean instead of sucking scientists with dp cell promises and talks we could all focus on this thing. it is here already.:2gunsfiring_v1:

 

[2young2retire]

guys regarding wounding please find answers in the private forum where results are .
now the thread is about duplicative fue. mechanical cure, ONLY.

 

[drgs]

that time line is awesome, you forgot semen and cetirizine topical tho

Throw in Nizoral there as well. When used alone it certainly is no cure for anyone

Finasteride used separately by itself brings regrowth to only very few. Powerful drug, but not a cure. You can add it to the list as well

 

[waynakyo]

2young posted an interesting paper (which i posted earlier), all he got was comments to derail this post. He did NOT write the paper, so his credibility has nothing to do with this.

i would like to see a discussion of the duplication, if correct, than pilofocus should be well able to regenerate and yes that would be extremely promising.... The scientists did not see a difference inhair quality but you know i d like to see more evidence...

let s discuss this not the previous life of 2young

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This is from 1998!


[h=1][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Follicular bisection in hair transplantation surgery: an in vitro model.[/FONT][/h][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Raposio E1, Filippi F, Levi G, Nordström RE, Santi P.[/FONT]
[h=3][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Author information[/FONT][/h]

[h=3][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Abstract[/FONT][/h][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]The aim of this study was to evaluate, in an in vitro model, the survival and growth rates of transversely sectioned human hair follicles to assess experimentally the soundness of this approach as a future possible method for "duplicating" available donor hair grafts in hair transplantation procedures. A total of 300 human anagen hair follicles was obtained from 10 healthy male patients. Follicles were thus randomly assigned to one of the following groups: group A (control; n = 100 follicles), cultured intact as dissected, and group B (experimental; n = 200 follicles), transversely transected, parallel to the epidermal surface and immediately below the bulge area, to obtain 200 lower-half follicles and 200 upper-half follicles. Isolated hair follicles from both groups were maintained in culture for 10 days. The length of each follicle was measured immediately following isolation and at the end of the 10-day culture period. No statistically significant differences were found between the growth rate of intact follicles (mean 10-day growth rate = 2.71 mm) and of lower-half follicles (mean 10-day growth-rate = 2.64 mm), whereas a statistically significant difference was found between the growth rate of follicles from the two above-mentioned groups and the growth rate of the "upper-half" follicles (mean 10-day growth rate = 1.07 mm). Histologic analysis demonstrated that both intact and lower-half follicles maintained a normal histologic appearance, whereas in upper-half follicle sections we invariably detected a region of intense cell proliferation, reminiscent of a regenerated follicular papilla, surrounding the lowermost part of the follicle. In our opinion, the reported in vitro survival rate of transected human hair follicles might represent an interesting starting point in striving to augment the number of donor hairs available during a hair transplantation procedure.[/FONT]








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Both studies transect the follicle in upper and lower half (surprising i find).... The fact that this was not put into practice yet makes me a bit skeptic but definitely worth discussing...

i am much more amenable to be convinced of the regeration of trasected follicles than plucked hairs becoming follicles...

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This study is based on fue transected follicles, so not exactly the same as the two studies above, the rsults are not so good but there is regeneration

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]BACKGROUND Follicular unit extraction is a process of removing one follicular unit at a time from the donor region. The most important limitation of this surgical procedure is a high transection rate.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]OBJECTIVE In this clinical study, we have transplanted different parts of transected hair follicle by harvesting with the follicular unit extraction technique (FUE) in five male patients.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]MATERIALS AND METHODS In each patient, three boxes of 1 cm[SUP]2[/SUP] are marked at both donor and recipient sites. The proximal one-third, one-half, and two-thirds of 15 hair follicles are extracted from each defined box and transplanted in recipient boxes. The density is determined at 12 months after the procedure.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]RESULTS A mean of 3 (range, 2–4) of the proximal one-third, 4.4 (range, 2–6) of the proximal one-half, and 6.2 (range, 5–8) of the proximal two-thirds of the transplanted follicles were observed as fully grown after 1 year. At the donor site, the regrowth rate was a mean of 12.6 (range, 10–14) of the proximal one-third, 10.2 (range, 8–13) of the proximal one-half, and 8 (range, 7–12) of the proximal two-thirds, respectively.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]CONCLUSION The survival rate of the transected hair follicles is directly related to the level of transection. Even the transected parts, however, can survive at the recipient site; the growth rate is not satisfactory and they are thinner than the original follicles. We therefore recommend that the surgeon not transplant the sectioned parts and be careful with the patients whose transection rate is high during FUE procedures.[/FONT]

 

[2young2retire]

waynakyo are you aware of this patent?

http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/...=&sortOption=&queryString=&tab=PCTDescription

people over btt are sure this guy is not even sure he can do doubling as he states but the theory under this patend is a clean cure for all.

science i believe should focus on creating an instrument for in vivo bisected extraction top that up with some prp.adipose ds.growth factors .a cell and i am sure the end product will be high speed doubling with huge yields and almost 100% regen. i know it sounds too optimistic but i am sure we already have this technology to create sth like this.

 

[uncomfortable man]

^ What he said. Nothing shows regrowth like a bald head can. Really easy to guage progress that way, but with an already full head of hair how can you tell? It's much harder.

 

[2young2retire]

Guys guys wtf.i dont care to prove you i increased my hair thickness.i did though.it was pain to do but i had no option.ny pre pic looks i am super thin. Anyway now lets talk fue hair doubling

 

[Python]

Again uncomfortableman and Fred detailing threads. This is not their section, they should go to effects of hairloss and glue themselves there. In this section, they are simply a "Cancer".

 

[uncomfortable man]

If they can't clone follices then splitting them up would be the next best thing I suppose. But can they even do that is the real question. Any improvement on the current transplant formula would be welcomed.

At least this thread is about something REAL, unlike so many other threads in this section.

 

[dreamermerlin]

Again uncomfortableman and Fred detailing threads. This is not their section, they should go to effects of hairloss and glue themselves there. In this section, they are simply a "Cancer".

You are right...

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Having your hair 10 times longer than in your original pictures sure helps to conceal your hair loss.

I don't blame you, I too became a combover master in my denial phase.

Come on Fred, you're unreasonable. You deny everything just because it didn't work for you. You judge everything just by your personal history and situation.
Apparently the guy has had very good success. In the original pictures his hair was very very thin, it's obvious that thin hair, even grown 20 cm, cannot look like this!
What combover, the picture doesn't look as a combover at all.
Why coming with that bull**** with semen on the head, it's disgusting and ridiculous!
Be realistic and accept there are guys who obtained very good results only with meds/other treatments.
Of course, they are a small minority, but simply you are frustrated and envious on them it seems.
Your logic is "if this didn't work for me, then, as i am the center of the universe, it cannot work for anyone, so let's start bashing with semen on the head, etc". You just need to mature up a bit!

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If they can't clone follices then splitting them up would be the next best thing I suppose. But can they even do that is the real question. Any improvement on the current transplant formula would be welcomed.

At least this thread is about something REAL, unlike so many other threads in this section.

Cloning follicles is still far away. As i've heard from someone very well informed who attends almost all worldwide hair loss congresses, they have serious problems with replicating the hair follcile growth cycles.
The "cloned" hair succesfully grows the first cycle, but then it shuts down and doesn't continue.

 

[bushbush]

You are right...
Why coming with that bull**** with semen on the head, it's disgusting and ridiculous!
Your logic is "if this didn't work for me, then, as i am the center of the universe, it cannot work for anyone, so let's start bashing with semen on the head, etc". You just need to mature up a bit!

Perhaps you are not aware, but there were actually posters here who claimed to try that.

Come on Fred, you're unreasonable. You deny everything just because it didn't work for you. You judge everything just by your personal history and situation.
Apparently the guy has had very good success. In the original pictures his hair was very very thin, it's obvious that thin hair, even grown 20 cm, cannot look like this!

Is it unreasonable to question someone who in this very thread stated that they don't care about providing evidence?

i dont care to prove you i increased my hair thickness.i did though.

His photos are inconsistent, so why should we simply take his word for it? He might very well think his own hair is improving (thanks to the placebo effect). Without proper evidence there is nothing to distinguish between something that works or just another deluded guy on the internet.

But let us not get sidetracked from the topic of this thread.

 

[2young2retire]

If my ridiculusly improvement doesnt make you believe then see prettyflys results he even outperformed mine and he was skin bald pre woundind.but please lets stop this now the thread is about hair doubling.
Stydies prove success of hair doubling. Even doubling would cure everybody except for severe Norwood.but tripling might also be .maybe we can contact the italian dr that did the research or bring them to contact with a top surgeon like dogganay. Now dont get me wrong but i believe all we need is that because the ishrs group seems kinda constiputed for new things.remember when they firstly witnessed fue? So closed minded i believe.

 

[uncomfortable man]

Was I detailing this thread? Maybe it needed some detail because it was too abstract? :doh:

 

[Python]

Was I detailing this thread? Maybe it needed some detail because it was too abstract? :doh:

It was phone autocorrect, it was meant to be derailing.

 

[2young2retire]

hey pythosn and others why dont we email the italian study to doctors doing fue? or please lets make contact with the guy that did the study . dont get me wrong but italy is hi end ,(look pagani,ferarri,lambo.alvi armani,gucci etc etc.)

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these are the names of the people holding the cure and we all sit here talking s hit.

MARCO TOSCANI, MD, SABRINA ROTOLO, PHD,y SIMONA CECCARELLI, PHD,y STEFANIA MORRONE, PHD,y
GIOVANNI MICALI, MD,z NICOLO` SCUDERI, MD, LUIGI FRATI, MD,y ANTONIO ANGELONI, MD,y AND
CINZIA MARCHESE, PHDy

they are located int the experimental medicine uni in ROME ITALY.

hair doubling is pre aproved from fda just to let you all know.

now everybody go on talking s hit about never comming biotechs.

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just forwarded the paper to ahd clinic in antalaya.

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thats our guy people

http://www.ishr.it/engsite/members/emtoscani.htm

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i just ivited the doctors and scientists from the article to register here and have an open conversation about their mechanical cure.

 

[bushbush]

i just ivited the doctors and scientists from the article to register here and have an open conversation about their mechanical cure.

lol, any self-respecting professional who takes one look at this thread will quickly leave.

 

[2young2retire]

he is one of the conductors of the study. i emailed the office in the uni of experimetnal treatments.

this study is legit as it supported by official dermatology journals and legit scientists. the study has pics and is from 2009. imagine what could be fisible by now.

Did he respond to your email? How do you know that this is our guy? Any proof, results, before and after pictures? I would love also these to be something real, but...