Microdosing finasteride Vs Saw Palmetto Vs Pumpkin Seed Oil Vs Topical Finasterid

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good thread about (topical) microdosing:


https://www.hairlosstalk.com/intera...de-microdosing-as-additional-treatment.98373/


microdosing oral:

topical microdosing:

To avoid systemic effects, they tried microdosing with ED application for 7 days:


- 0,1 ml (0,22 mg finasteride) and 0,2 ml (0,45 mg) reduced skin DHT -47/-52% (almost same values as 0,2 mg oral which was proved as effective treatment), serum reduction was "only" -24/-26%
- 0,3 ml (0,62 mg) 0,4 ml (0,91 mg) reduced skin DHT -37/-54%, serum -44/-48%

i wonder -do we have similar studies regarding saw palmetto and pumpkin seed oil? both work like finasterid and so i wonder if talking saw palmetto or pumpkin seed oil is only the equivalent of oral finasteride microdosing?


saw palmetto:

Saw palmetto (Serenoa repens) has been used as a natural treatment for androgenetic alopecia and has a similar mechanism [23]. Interestingly, in a recent study, it was found that 38% of males with Androgenetic Alopecia which receivedSerenoa repens at 320 mg every day for 24 months showed increased hair growth. The authors concluded that it could be used as an alternative treatment for mild to moderate Androgenetic Alopecia and that it is more effective than finasteride in this respect [24]. PSO is rich in beneficial nutrients, such as essential fatty acids, β-carotenes, lutein, γ- and β-tocopherols, and phytosterols [25]. It has been reported in several animal studies that PSO inhibits testosterone-induced hyperplasia of the prostate and suggested that PSO may be beneficial for the management of BPH [10, 24]. Another study confirmed that the intake of PSO at 320 mg/day over 12 months is clinically safe and effective as a complementary treatment for BPH [11]. Although the action mechanism is still unclear, previous animal studies have suggested that PSO may inhibit 5α-reductase, which produces DHT from testosterone [11, 12, 26].

Our study has some limitations, which include a lack of histological confirmation of the action mechanism of PSO. In addition, DHT and prostate specific antigen (PSA) levels were not measured for identification of mechanism of PSO; therefore we could not explain the exact action of PSO on Androgenetic Alopecia patients.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4017725/#!po=1.13636

why the f*** isnt there a study with saw palmetto where they actually measured the dht lvl?

same goes for pumpkin seed oil where they counted the follicles but checked for dht...WTF

pumpkin seed oil:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4017725/

how much do you think saw palmetto and pumpkin seed oil lower the dht lvl? especially compared to microdosing finasteride?

 

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I take Saw palmetto with pumpkin seed oil capsules (prostforce) and also added it to a hairgrowth serum (herbal glo)that I apply topically a few times a week. Herbal glo has Great hair products.
I have noticed that I don't wake up at 2am to pee.
So it works for that.
I apply minoxidil and derma roll as well so not sure if I can say it works for hairloss or maintenance

 

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So you want something between .01 and .05 but there is certainly still big differences in dose/strength it just changes at pretty tiny dosages more than once it plateaus out.
It is very strange with how many men test serum DHT, and how cheap/easy it is to do not a single study ever bothered testing SP or any natural crap. Even informally any person could do a quick before/after with any herbal supplement.
Apparently no one with male pattern baldness has ever cared to document with the natural stuff actually did to them with their hormone levels.