minoxidil and DHT blocker all in one?

Jude

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It would be cool if they combined the ingredients of Rogaine with the likes of Revivogen to make one kick-*** lotion. I'd feel so much more confident using Rogaine if I knew it was also containing some kind of DHT blocker. Anyone know why they just don't do this?
 

Jude

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Xandrox eh? How come I've never heard anyone here talk about it? Is it bogus or somethin?
 

Jude

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Damn that sh*t looks good. Has anyone here had any results with Xandrox? Hell, has anyone here ever used it at all for that matter. How come this stuff is never talked about here? It would appear to be alot more effective than Rogaine. No?
 

Jude

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If so, how come it's not popular like Rogaine? My logic suggests it would be alot more effective.
 

The Gardener

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It's not as popular because it isn't marketed as thoroughly as Rogaine is, and it is expensive. But, given that most of these 'designer minoxidil' solutions are heavy in superflouous crap and light in the actual active ingredients (Avacor, for example, only has 2% minoxidil in it I believe) I think that this is one of the few that are legit.

The efficacy of Azelzaic Acid as a reliable DHT inhibitor might be arguable, but for some this stuff fits the bill and works well for.
 

switchhitter

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xandrox

I just ordered a bottle. I've heard nothing but great comments about it. Also, Dr. Lee is a HELL of a nice guy. Great products.
 

Luther007

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I've been using Xandrox for the past two months. It's definitely better than minoxidil by itself, so Azelaic Acid has some kind of effectiveness at least. If i had the money i would use a minoxidil/revivogen combo though. Probably even better.
 

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I'd like it even better if they could make revivogen with topical spironolactone, all in one topical. That way people who want to get of propecia would have a simple 1 or 2 x per day topical treatment that would give DHT hell.
I like HairLossTalk.com's regimen, but I can't imagine using two topicals per day. It seems like a hassle.
 

Luther007

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I like HairLossTalk.com's regimen, but I can't imagine using two topicals per day. It seems like a hassle.

Why? If you use both revivogen and spironolactone you'd only need to use each once per day. I'd say Revivogen in the morning and spironolactone at night. There you have what could *potentially* be an adequate replacement for finasteride. I mean, what's another minute out of your day when it makes all the other minutes so much better?
 

Yardbird

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I just have a real aversion to the idea of wearing a topical to work. They seem to make my hair look greasy and maybe thinner....
With a clean scalp, I feel good about my appearance, thanks to finesse thickening conditioner and my medicated shampoos.
Also, I'm not sure about what you said about using spironolactone once a day when you use it with Revivogen. I got the impression from Bryan's article on the topic that spironolactone was still ideally used twice a day since it's metabolized quicker than fatty acids found in Revivogen.
 

HairlossTalk

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spironolactone and revivogen do different things, so you should use it 2x a day still. after a shower and before bed. I just put the revivogen on mid-day and that's my whole regimen. Not too much of a hassle.

HairLossTalk.com
 

wils

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HairLossTalk.com,

so this is the way forward then?, sounds good
where get these products in UK?,

anyone?

cheers
 

Resultsnottypical

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HairLossTalk.com: I thought Revivogen and spironolactone basically did the SAME thing, and that was block DHT? Is there something more specific in the way they do that is different?

I read the whole Dr. Lee interview regarding Sprio. Very informative. I am curious what his thoughts are, of if he has gone on record saying anything about Revivogen or Crinigen.

I ordered some Crinigen off the site here, a couple days ago. Looking foward to adding it along with my minoxidil.

Sounds like you have had good results with just spironolactone and Revivogen. I have a feeling I am locked in, so to speak, with minoxidil, now that I have started it.
 

HairlossTalk

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Celtictigyr said:
HairLossTalk.com: I thought Revivogen and spironolactone basically did the SAME thing, and that was block DHT? Is there something more specific in the way they do that is different?
I've always had the (probably incorrect) opinion that spironolactone has a slightly different claim to fame than the ingredients in Revivogen. I was told once that spironolactone is more of an androgen receptor blocker and revivogen is more of a "DHT inhibitor" and that there is a difference. I'll let bryan comment on this.

Celticgyr said:
I read the whole Dr. Lee interview regarding Sprio. Very informative. I am curious what his thoughts are, of if he has gone on record saying anything about Revivogen or Crinigen.
When I was fishing for an alternative to Propecia Dr. Lee very enthusiastically told me that with spironolactone 2x a day and Revivogen at least 1x per day, he was confident I would have the issue of DHT completely handled for myself. The combination of the two.

Celtigyr said:
Sounds like you have had good results with just spironolactone and Revivogen. I have a feeling I am locked in, so to speak, with minoxidil, now that I have started it.
I would tend to agree, which is another reason why I tell people not to just go on Minoxidil if they're just starting to lose hair. Try the DHT inhibitors (Propecia first) to see if just popping a pill is all you'll need for the next 7 to 10 years. Can always use minoxidil later. But yes if you've started, you may now have a good % of hairs that are dependent upon it.

HairLossTalk.com
 

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HairlossTalk said:
Celtictigyr said:
HairLossTalk.com: I thought Revivogen and spironolactone basically did the SAME thing, and that was block DHT? Is there something more specific in the way they do that is different?
I've always had the (probably incorrect) opinion that spironolactone has a slightly different claim to fame than the ingredients in Revivogen. I was told once that spironolactone is more of an androgen receptor blocker and revivogen is more of a "DHT inhibitor" and that there is a difference. I'll let bryan comment on this.

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That is the way i understand it as well from reading an article bryan wrote once. It seems that spironolactone blocks testostorne from being converted to DHT while Revivogen wont let DHT affect hair follicles. True?
 

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Celtictigyr said:
HairLossTalk.com: I thought Revivogen and spironolactone basically did the SAME thing, and that was block DHT? Is there something more specific in the way they do that is different?

There's been some confusion about all that in this thread, so let's step through it carefully:

Spironolactone is primarily known as an antiandrogen; that is, a substance which blocks androgen receptors. However, there is some conflicting information about whether or not it has any effect on the 5a-reductase enzyme that converts testosterone into DHT! One study found that it DID inhibit 5a-reductase, and another study found that it did NOT inhibit it! I suggest that for the time being, spironolactone should simply be thought of as an androgen receptor blocker.

The free fatty acids in Revivogen are primarily known as 5a-reductase inhibitors; that is, substances which stop the conversion of testosterone into DHT. However, there is some evidence that they _may_ also act in some way as androgen receptor blockers, or interfere with their function in some other way. But I suggest that for the time being, fatty acids should be thought of mainly as 5a-R inhibitors.

So in that Revivogen review I wrote a long time ago, I therefore suggested the simultaneous use of Revivogen and spironolactone, both to block androgen receptors and inhibit 5a-reductase (although there may be a little bit of overlap in both of those separate functions, with both of those products! :)). However, Dr. Shargani emailed me after I posted that review to remind me that as far as they are concerned, Revivogen already HAS an androgen receptor blocker, in the form of saw palmetto! However, because of the somewhat controversial nature of saw palmetto, I personally wouldn't rely on its alleged ability to perform that function. I still like the idea of using topical spironolactone with Revivogen because in my opinion, it's a more proven androgen receptor blocker.

Bryan
 

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Bryan, we are lucky to have you on this site. Why did you become so interested in chemistry of male pattern baldness? You are losing your hair also I presume?
 
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