Misleading Propecia Statistic: A theory!!!!!! BY ME! TEEHEE!

[TheOliviaTremorControl]

Okay, we all know about the propecia statistic. 80% people have a halt in hairloss, and 60% experience some regrowth.

But, during the clinical trials of propecia, where these statistics were gathered, patients were required to use nizoral or some other form of anti-inflammatory shampoo. (I don't remember EXACTLY where I heard this information, but I'm pretty sure its legit)

So, my question is this:
The reason Nizoral is in the top 3 is because, and I quote The Gardener on this,

Nizoral annihilates the Malaseezia yeast that is naturally occurring on human scalps. This yeast, although an endemic human parasite, is irritative to humans and is a known causative factor for seborrheic dermatitis and dandruff. It's presence stimulates an immune response from the skin that is similar in nature to the immune response that DHT causes when attacking follicle cells, and both stimuli together have a synergistic effect on the scalp, accelerating the male pattern baldness process.

Second, Nizoral is a mild anti-androgen, I believe there is a clinical study giving it regrowth properties comparable in scale to 2% minoxidil.

regrowth properties comparable in scale to 2% minoxidil.
Wouldn't nizoral having these kind of effects somewhat interfere with any kind of finasteride clinical studies?

Also, I know this doesn't relate to finasteride, but the general consensus is that rogaine-grown hair can only be kept by continual applications of rogaine. Since rogaine and Nizoral are both anti-androgens (right?) wouldn't the same be true of nizoral-grown hair? Even if the nizoral was assisted by propecia (or vice versa)?

Has anybody here who has regrown hair with finasteride/nizoral combination ceased to take Nizoral? What were the effects?



And, since you hairloss guru's are reading this anyway:
Can anybody tell me why finasteride is limited to people 18 and over? I'm 19, but I don't think I'm done growing. I'm also quite small for my age. What would be the adverse effects of someone my age/physicality taking finasteride? I've heard that in some cases the prostate can shrink to the point that it can cause urinary problems.

Thanks for replying.




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[Idaho X]

In the propecia studies I have read, the subjects used T/Gel shampoo. Nizoral was avoided because its purported hair growth properties would interfere with the results. Also, subjects in both the placebo and medicated groups used T/Gel to moderate the effects of seborrheic dermatitis on the study.

 

[Britannia]

Re: Misleading Propecia Statistic: A theory!!!!!! BY ME! TEE

Since rogaine and Nizoral are both anti-androgens (right?).

Rogaine is not an anti-androgen, it is a growth stimulant. This is why using a combination of Propecia and Minoxidil is so effective.
The shampoo that was used during the Propecia trials was acutally T-Gel they wouldnt use Nizoral because of its known benefits in male pattern baldness.

 

[rkim]

Is 1% nizoral at all effective? I can't get a prescription at the moment.

Also, does anyone know if dyeing your hair increases hairloss? Will it hinder the effects of either finasteride, minoxidil, or nizoral?

 

[HairlossTalk]

Thanks to those who corrected the original posters misinformation. Its very important that you make sure your premise is correct before you go creating theories based on a bunch of "Im not sure" foundations Olivia.

Nizoral 1% is very sufficient. In fact I don't know why people jump on 2% all the time, except for that frustrating human nature which always makes people think "More is better". I have been on Nizoral 1% for 6 years and it has been working just fine for me.

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[SE-freak]

If you cannot get hold of 2% then 1% will do.

Dyeing your hair will not cause permanent loss but if the chemicals in the dye are harsh it could possibly absolutely destroy your hair forever.




Just kidding.

Some chemicals in dyes could possibly irritate your scalp and reduce the quality of your hair if overdone.

But no permanent loss cause of dyeing.

 

[rkim]

Great. Thanks.

I have another issue. I had posted about a month ago about sides and was told to ride them out. I have been, trying not to jump to post every little thing. It's been almost 2.5 months on finasteride and my sexual sides have gotten a little better, but still there. I assume they should continue to subside.

Anyway, the bigger issue right now is gyno. For about 2 to 3 weeks I've been having burning and sensitivity in my left breast/nipple. It's also bigger than the right. This week I'm having slight sensitivity in my right breast. Will my body adjust or is this a good sign to decrease dosage? It kinda comes and goes. Can the pain/sensitivity be increase by aggravating the area? ie: working out, push-ups, touching it? It seems to happen to me.

Have you ever heard of Tietze Syndrome?

 

[Britannia]

Here in the UK, 2% Nizoral is available over the counter from licensed pharmacies (i.e. you dont need a prescribtion). Ive acutally found the 1% to be harder to find than the 2% stuff.
rkim, slight breast pain and tenderness is stated as a side effect of Propecia. THIS IS NOT GYNO. It is simply a temporary nuisance while your body acheives a new hormonal balance. You havent been on finasteride to long so give it a while longer for things to settle down, and if your really worried have a chat to your Doctor (or even pharmacist).

 

[SE-freak]

X.

 

[Britannia]

Everyone who is freaking out about gyno please read Se-Freaks post very carefully. And listen!

 

[rkim]

Thanks guys. You've put me somewhat at ease. I'll continue to ride it out. Thing is I'm thin and a small amount of "gyno"/faty tissue is very noticable. Especially when it's only on one side.

Point: a lot of posters on this site always mention "it's not real gynecomastia". As if excess fatty tissue in the pecks (breasts) isn't a problem. I don't want either!

 

[TheOliviaTremorControl]

Thanks to those who corrected the original posters misinformation. Its very important that you make sure your premise is correct before you go creating theories based on a bunch of "Im not sure" foundations Olivia.

It is a little known fact that the FDA trial participants all used a shampoo like Nizoral for the duration of the trial. This was required, as the increased sebum production, inflammation, and irritation caused by the balding process can limit the effectiveness of any treatment. This is why it is STRONGLY recommended that a regimen including Propecia also include Nizoral shampoo used once every 3 days in rotation with your normal shampoo. You will not see optimum results without Nizoral, or a shampoo like it, in your regimen.

Source: http://www.hairlosstalk.com/productrevi ... /propecia/

It appears I got my information from a wrongly informed website. Upon further investigation, it appears Idaho and Brittania *WERE* right.