More Green Tea Benefits

[BoilerRoom]

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There has been some concern about Green Tea & DHT due to a previous study in mice.

But, long story short, green tea does so many positive things for your body, including your hair.


Between supplements/drinking, I am up to around 7 cups a day. I also consume a fermented soy powder to be on the safe side (again, in reference to a previous DHT study in mice).

 

[ali777]

Between supplements/drinking, I am up to around 7 cups a day. I also consume a fermented soy powder to be on the safe side (again, in reference to a previous DHT study in mice).

That's probably a bit OTT.

 

[follicle84]

Too much of a good thing isnt always a good thing.

 

[GlasgowCelt]

I'm avergaging 10 cups a day - hair has never looked better!

GC

 

[BoilerRoom]

Between supplements/drinking, I am up to around 7 cups a day. I also consume a fermented soy powder to be on the safe side (again, in reference to a previous DHT study in mice).

That's probably a bit OTT.

Not really. Studies have shown that 10 cups protects against liver damage, etc.., etc...

However, I do believe 10 cups is the upper-threshold and would not go above that.

 

[JLL]

10 cups of green tea is not too much, at least not for the Chinese. See this post: Drinking 10 cups of green tea daily and not smoking could add 12 years to your life.

Mean age at death from all causes was ~4 years higher in those who drank more than 10 cups than those who drank less than three cups per day. The best combination was more than 10 cups of green tea and no smoking, whereas the worst combination was less than three cups of green tea plus smoking. The difference in age of death between these two groups was almost 12 years.

Also, I don't think the matter is as clear as saying "green tea raises DHT, therefore it is bad". Look at this study, for example: Green tea catechin reverses the effect of DHT in prostate cancer cells.

When DHT was added to the androgen-sensitive cells, the growth of cancer cells increased dose-dependently at first. However, after the amount of DHT passed a certain point, the proliferation began to decrease. At the second largest dose, proliferation had decreased below the control cells, and at the largest dose it was almost completely stopped.

When both DHT and ECGC were used on androgen-sensitive cells, cancer cell growth was reduced more than when using only DHT or ECGC. This means DHT and ECGC somehow work together to produce an anti-cancer effect.

 

[follicle84]

You can get green tea in capsules. I think its a lot less hassle to take them rather than drink ten green tea's a day.

 

[JLL]

Yup. I just like to get my green tea on.

 

[Jack]

There's no way 10 cups are too much ......unless you use fresh tea leafes for every cup.
Typical chinese people infuse the same leafes about 4 times , that way they propably drink less coffeine than with 2 cups of coffee .

 

[propaganda]

10 cups is too much if you worry about flouride and possible bone fluorosis that it can bring. If not then go ahead

 

[BoilerRoom]

People get WAY more flouride from their toothpaste than they do from drinking green tea.

I've always been skeptical of flouride. It's basically in our water because it is an industrial byproduct that they happened to figure out was good for our teeth. We have no way of knowing if a lifetime a flouride consumption is bad for our health, especially if the impact is low. That is the problem with minor impacts over a long period of time, it's too hard to test & study with far too many variables.

However, I do believe the benefits of green tea more than outweigh any such risks.

 

[CCS]

I don't trust those studies. They do surveys and follow people who drink green tea. Obviously people who drink green tea probably do other things to take care of their health, so of course they live longer, and it might not be the tea that does it.

 

[JLL]

I don't trust those studies. They do surveys and follow people who drink green tea. Obviously people who drink green tea probably do other things to take care of their health, so of course they live longer, and it might not be the tea that does it.

Some studies are like that, yes. I still think that the China green tea study is interesting, because they followed people in the same geographical area and also took smoking into account. I doubt there is a great variety in taking care of health between Chinese people drinking 5 cups and 10 cups. But the thing to keep in mind anyway is that correlation does not mean causation.

Not all studies on green tea are like this, however. In some studies they give the other group green tea and the other group placebo and see health effects only in the former, which makes a pretty strong case for green tea. And then there's in vitro studies, which support the in vivo data.

All in all, I'd say green tea (well, tea in general) has a lot of scientifically valid stuff behind it. As for green tea and hair loss, the jury is still out.

 

[follicle84]

True only a non biased and truly fair study in vitro tests is the only way to test green tea's efficiency in preventing hairloss and no such study exists to my knowledge.

Question does anyone use flavoured green tea? im wondering if flavoured green tea could decrease its potency as other ingredients are involved.

 

[Guest]

I started drinking 2-4 cups of green tea a day (since mid February), I don't think I want to drink 10 a day... the stuff is nice but 10 a day is too much for me. I drink it without milk because I believe milk can reduce it's effect.

I am going to buy some spearmint tea soon, and add that to my rountine along with the green tea.

 

[follicle84]

I've not researched this but apparently white tea is a more powerfull anti-oxidant than green tea someone told me. It might be worth looking into. I tried it once and it tasted quite nice.

 

[Guest]

I've not researched this but apparently white tea is a more powerfull anti-oxidant than green tea someone told me. It might be worth looking into. I tried it once and it tasted quite nice.

I drink green tea instead of white because green is in the middle of black and white in terms of anti-oxidant. If tea is bad for hair, I prefer to take "the middle dose" which is green tea.

 

[JLL]

True only a non biased and truly fair study in vitro tests is the only way to test green tea's efficiency in preventing hairloss and no such study exists to my knowledge.

Question does anyone use flavoured green tea? im wondering if flavoured green tea could decrease its potency as other ingredients are involved.

In vitro? Do you mean in vivo? There's a lot of stuff that works for hair loss in vitro, but then when you actually pour it on people's heads, it does nothing. I'd say in vitro effects are a good start, but in vivo studies are what really make or break the deal.

That said, did you take a look at this study: topical green tea grows hair in vitro, possibly in vivo?

From the abstract:

EGCG promoted hair growth in hair follicles ex vivo culture and the proliferation of cultured DPCs. The growth stimulation of DPCs by EGCG in vitro may be mediated through the upregulations of phosphorylated Erk and Akt and by an increase in the ratio of Bcl-2/Bax ratio. Similar results were also obtained in in vivo dermal papillae of human scalps. Thus, we suggest that EGCG stimulates human hair growth through these dual proliferative and anti-apoptotic effects on DPCs.

This suggests that green tea (or to be precise, the main catechin of green tea, epigallocatechin gallate) grows hair both in vitro and in vivo. As far as I know, this is the only study on green tea and hair growth.