More serious health problem causin hair loss?

[tiredofloss]

greetings all

i am 22 (about to turn 23) and have noticed my hair thinning and hairline receding over the past yr or so.

i've been readin this board for a couple days tryin to find solutions and treatment. noticed a lot of people whose hair seems A LOT better than mine talkin about how they had bad hair loss

a couple of yrs ago my hairline was perfectly fine. after a gettin a (bad) haircut i started to notice the hairloss and i have been rapidly losing hair ever since. i've never had thick hair but it is going way up at the side on the temples as well as starting to recede at the front. pretty much the temples are gone, no hair there until you get midway on my head.

my dad isnt bald except for a patch on top (hes 60 and didnt lose any hair until he was over 50) and my 2 brothers hair seems to be fine (both older than i am). i understand that male pattern baldness is supposed to come from your mother's father though, and my grandfather was bald. my family has no clue about my hairloss, i can cover it up pretty well by just leaving it down. if you looked at me on the street without bein close up it would look like i had a full head of hair. this is not the actual case though

i stopped gettin haircuts to grow it out and cover this up. i got a haircut after not gettin one for a whole a couple months ago but havent since. i have noticeably LESS hair than i did a month ago.


i know this site deals with male pattern baldness and i am not tryin to deny i have it but ive had a lot of health issues in the past couple yr sthat ive never experienced before. i have suspected i might have a tapeworm because im skinny and have a belly that juts out, and right on my belly button goin out on both sides is a dark mark on my skin. i dont drink alcohol so this is weird, and the same time i started noticing this was the same time i started noticing the hair loss. tried a cleanser but nothin happened. ive also had things like psoriasis, terrible acne on my face (never really got acne as a teen), digestive problems. also noticed a couple days ago skin flaking up at the top of my head on my scalp and itching of the scalp that i havent noticed before.

the reason im askin all this is to see if anyone has had a serious health problem lead to baldness and to make sure that i dont before its too late.


ive been really depressed about this and lately havent even wanted to go out in public. i have a lot of personal goals ive wanted to accomplish this past yr and i havent even wanted to do a thing. i want to stop this but a big problem is that i dont have health care anymore. do you think i should just try propecia by gettin it online? im skeptical about all the hairloss treatment products and dont want to waste money if it doesnt do anythin or makes it worse, or if theres a bigger underlyin reason for this. i saw nizodal at CVS but wasnt sure if it was the same thing as it only said anti-dandruff shampoo on it. currently i use mane n tail as i was told that it makes your hair thicker and grow faster.

i wouldnt be extremely upset if i was middle age goin bald, but im 22 in the prime years of my life. on top of that, i look really young for my age so it makes it worse.

 

[tiredofloss]

also to add i was reading up on dietary supplements and the benefits of stuff like flaxseed , fish oil, multivitamins that i wanted to try. been tryin to get into the gym workin out lifting weights and a lot of people take these. is it ok to take them in addition to hairloss treatment products and are any good for your hair?

 

[Guest]

Hey mate,

your name is well chosen "tired of loss". All of us feel like that about this sh*t. But there is some hope.

First of all I would advise you to see a doctor concerning your health problems. What you are describing is definetly not normal and NOBODY here will tell you what to do about them.
Nevertheless you most likely suffer from male pattern baldness, the recession of your hairline hints to this. The most effective drug against this is Finasteride. Depending on where you live there are many good places to buy it online. Just do a search on this forum.
The shampoo you were refering to is "Nizoral" I assume. Yes, it is also an anti-dandruff shampoo.

Dietary supplements are generally a good addition to your regime. I am not sure whether they actually work for hair, but they definetly won´t do any harm and are good for your general health. Most of them are cheap, so why not give them a chance?

Good Luck!

 

[s.a.f]

You are in denial mate! If you are suffering from M.P.B dont go looking for excuses its just a waste of time. There are plenty of half dead junkies and people in the 3rd world who are suffering severe malnutrition but still have thick NW1's so dont try to blame it on diet and health.

 

[powersam]

saf the one health problem junkies and people from the third world will never ever have is insulin resistance. they dont eat.

 

[So]

People who think that DIET has no relevance to genetic hair loss are misinformed.

DIET has enormous relevance to the topic of hair loss which we painstakingly debate on these forums daily.

There are reasons why half dead junkies and 3rd world suffers are exhibiting no hair loss.

But before I explain in a brief manner as to why, understand that...

DIET is damn well important in the fight against hair loss.

As I've said on another site;

It really does humor me that people scoff at the fact their diet has anything to do with their hair loss.

"It's genetics God damn it!" They all say...

"How many times do we have to say it, G E N E T I C S" They scream...bla bla.

Despite this fact, a fact I agree with, the very reason why we now have genetic predispositions to baldness is due to the "process" in which we evolved.

Our diet, the "Palaeolithic Diet" many moons ago, was a diet that was sound and ultimately healthy. As man kind evolved, advanced, learned and developed greater intelligence we began to look for more efficient ways to eat and that we did!

As we became more efficient as a human race, our population grew proportionately with our technological advancements. More food, more supply for the demand to procreate <loop>.

Today as it is known, is the result of yesterdays efficiency.

To put it simply, over time and through the course of human history, as our diet changed so did our genetics for better or for worse. One of the adverse throw backs of evolution is hair loss.

There are people, inclusive of doctors, inclusive of those on forums both here and elsewhere that believe that hair loss is the result of genetics and nothing more, not food, not stress, nothing. News flash for the uninformed. It is the food you eat, or more importantly that your ancestors ate, that has given you what you have today and so to will the food you eat give your children's, children, what they have tomorrow.

Western civilization, due to it's structure, the fast past go-go-go, give me more of everything lifestyle does not provide much room for anything, especially the consideration of ones health.

If we continue to eat the way we do, we will continue the legacy of male pattern baldness. It is worthy to note however that the worlds population (size) which is the result of what we now eat, could not sustain a truly Paleolithic diet as there are not enough resources to handle our six billion and growing populous.

Do you get it now? Has it sunk in?

 

[powersam]

no. can you say it again but this time in semaphore?

 

[s.a.f]

BOLLOCKS mate, I dont eat junk food and never have yet I still developed a pretty agressive case of M.P.B (as did my father and grandfathers) Meanwhile every guy I grew up with has practicly lived on nothing but chips and takeaways since they were 18 (I'm now in my early 30's) and hardly any of them have any hairloss at all (like their fathers and grandfathers ...) Although they do have crap physiques. Do you see the connection? Has it sunk in?
Also if what you say about our ancestors diets causing m.p.b in the first place is true then there is no amount of good eating that will reverse it for us because genetic changes only happen over the course of many, many generations. There have been bald people around for tens of thousands of years palaeolithic diet or not! Its down to resistance of the hair follicles to DHT this is something you're born with it aint going to change by eating healthy food.

 

[tiredofloss]

thanks for the responses guys

obviously id like to see a doctor (dermatologist) but i have no health care right now

as for diet, it does play a role and i have to say my diet has not been great. i do eat a lot of junk food but have tried to improve on that. usually eat pasta, chicken breast, fish at least once a week. its hard to to eat really really healthy cuz its so expensive.

yea the nizoral shampoo was what i was referrin to. its pretty expensive...like 7 bucks for a few fl. oz but at this point im willing to try anythin. i assume the stuff at CVS is the same as what you would find online.

is finasteride the same thing as propecia? im not sure of the difference between the types.

its goin quickly so i want to treat it before its too late

 

[So]

SAF,

You miss the damn point of what I am saying.

Hair loss is a result of evolution! I never said eating well will regrow your hair but in those people who are prone to hair loss by way of predisposition caused by centuries of evolution; diet can and often will exacerbate the rate of loss.

Your diet can be used to stem the severity of hair loss in the NOW.

Yes, changing the genetic makeup of an individual by way of diet is likely to be influenced only by time and lots of it, generation after generation, but not explicitly.

To think that you have no influence over your the expressiveness by way of diet in the NOW (the present) is a defeatist mentality and in generations away from now your distant bloodline will cursing you to their graves with shiny bald heads.

Tiredofloss,

You couldn't be more right about eating well and expenditure. It's often expensive to eat well contrary to what any twit will tell you. There is "eating well" (what most people think they do today) and then there is "eating properly", subtle change in wording, major difference in result.

Pasta, bread, wheat, grains , dairy and even potatoes is a no-no!

I still occasionally and sometimes even frequently out of CONVENIENCE eat them but I understand the implications of doing so.

CONVENIENCE is the result of efficiency in TIME and COST which we all want to save in the name of having more of everything else, except TRULY good health.

 

[Guest]

thanks for the responses guys

obviously id like to see a doctor (dermatologist) but i have no health care right now

as for diet, it does play a role and i have to say my diet has not been great. i do eat a lot of junk food but have tried to improve on that. usually eat pasta, chicken breast, fish at least once a week. its hard to to eat really really healthy cuz its so expensive.

yea the nizoral shampoo was what i was referrin to. its pretty expensive...like 7 bucks for a few fl. oz but at this point im willing to try anythin. i assume the stuff at CVS is the same as what you would find online.

is finasteride the same thing as propecia? im not sure of the difference between the types.

its goin quickly so i want to treat it before its too late

Finasteride is the active ingredient of either Propecia or Proscar.

 

[The Gardener]

DIET is damn well important in the fight against hair loss.

Pasta, bread, wheat, grains , dairy and even potatoes is a no-no!

Dr Andrew Weil, proponent of the macrobiotic diet you suggest:

Yeah, a macrobiotic diet is just GREAT for hairloss! :lol:

Additionally, it is also my understanding that grains are GOOD to eat on a macrobiotic diet. Wheat should be avoided, potatoes are terrible, but whole grains such as brown rice, quinoa, and spelt are encouraged foods.

 

[So]

The Gardener,

What does posting a picture of Dr. Weil have to do with anything? WEAK!

You are DEAD WRONG mate! I didn't suggest anything about Macrobiotic diets.

A MACROBIOTIC DIET is not a PALEOLITHIC DIET although they share some similar principles and properties.

Here are some notable differences that EVEN you would understand,

• Macrobiotic diet permits wheat based products including pasta where as a Paleolithic diet does not.
  
  Macrobiotic diet permits and also recommends the consumption of snow peas and legumes by which a Paleolithic diet does not.
  
  Macrobiotic diet does not permit animal products where as a Paleolithic diet does (game meats).

These are just some of the important differences between the two. Need I also mention,

• That a Paleolithic diet is over 10,000 years old where as the Macrobiotic diet was created in 1920-ish which isn't anywhere near enough time to have a profound effect measured across a wide cross selection of people - certainly not compared to 10,000 years of evolution.

The principle of a Macrobiotic diet is to "cleanse" in order to "heal" disease as it promotes drinking and eating only when genuinely hungry (great moderation, discipline) which is partly reminiscent of fasting, which when fasting your body self-heals.

Anyway you're probably wonder what am I REALLY talking about then? Well if you haven't taken the damn time to read my post I'll spell it out for you,

P-A-L-E-O-L-I-T-H-I-C

Just because Dr. Weil advocates such a diet (Macrobiotic), doesn't mean he will undo centuries of poor eating and miraculously change his genetic make up significantly enough to reverse his hair loss and neither rains true for recent adopters of Paleolithic diets.

That is not what I am promoting. Your post is a weak attempt at a sarcastic snub of the Paleolithic diet or more importantly the ideas in which are being proposed to which you must have landed on your head because you come swinging punches and pictures of bald man Weil screaming something about a Macro...what?

Anyway, maybe these are ideas that no one gives a sh!t about because for the most part the damage has been done and is largely out of our control which is something people digress from, anything that is too complex to understand or solve.

What I do promote is that diet can exacerbate hair loss and other health issues contrary to popular belief amongst these forums.

If however you think you have absolutely no influence over your genetic state then your wrong. Your lifestyle has a compounding effect and the results of which accumulate over time.

Mow my lawn. :freaked2:

 

[powersam]

i agree to a certain extent, i mean if studies have shown that diet can effect acne and skin quality then it affecting hair is no step at all. i also disagree with these people who go around saying "its genetics", because that is only half the story.

dont know much about the paleolithic diet or whatever, but if it controls insulin levels then it'll probably be good for hair. but then again assuming that the diet eaten thousands of years ago was the optimum diet for humans would seem to me quite baseless. just because it was 'natural' doesnt mean its best. we did only live till our early 30's then remember.

 

[The Gardener]

 

[powersam]

i dunno, i think he's kinda hot. i have been drinking quite a lot of soy today though.

 

[The Gardener]

Paleolithic diet?

WTF should we be eating some sort of Paleolithic diet?

Correct me if I am wrong, but, was not the average longetivity of a human back then about 40-45 years tops?

Well, I suppose that is one way of improving male average Norwood...

 

[powersam]

gardener never reads my posts

 

[The Gardener]

I hadn't gotten that far yet, Powersam. I was responding to the same post that you replied to, and didn't yet read your very cogent response.

On that note, I'm thinking that we ALL need to monitor our soy intake. These boards have been getting extremely gay lately... and the fact that it feels good is starting to scare me...

 

[powersam]

way to many penis threads.