My son's Tyler's story

Angie #7

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Hi My name is Angie: My son started losing his hair right after he completed a round of accutane. He was 14 when he started it and was on a 40mg once daily round for 4 months. He was just finnishing up grade 8 and entering high school when he told me he was loosing hair in the shower, even my daughter complained of all the hair in the shower. Tyler always had very thick hair with a straight hairline and at this point he was wearing it long and curly, the skater boy look. I was not aware of the side effects of accutane on the hair since my family doctor and not a dermatoligist put him on it, he told me everything a dermatoligist would do, he could do for him and since he had been my family doctor for so long, I trusted him. When Tyler started complaining of the hair loss, I read the side effects page the pharmacy provided and at the very bottom of the page it said a temporary hair loss may occur. Since I am a hair stylist (25 years) and have seen hair thinning when people had been on medication I told Tyler that this was just a temporary thing and that once his body was rid of the toxin the hair loss should stop.
Tyler wore his hair thick and bushy and barely let me cut it so now we go to grade 10 2005, he is 15 and its just before Christmas, I notice how dry and brittle the front of his hair is and that it is growing in a pronounced point in the front , I make Tyler have a hair cut. I noticed that the middle top section and the front hairline is not as long as the rest of his hair and that he has alot of dry skin at the scalp. My reaction at first was he was not washing his hair well enough and not taking care of it so I made him start alternating with head and shoulders and Nioxin. Now we get to March and Tyler is just about to turn 16. He comes up miserable from his shower before school and I ask him what the problem was? He broke my heart at that moment, he started to cry and said mom I am going bald, I am going to be 16 and I'm loosing my hair and at this point, because I have knowledge of hair I could not deny it. I told him I would do everything that I could do to help him. I made an appointment with my family doctor, and at this point had been all over the internet and had read all the terrible reports about accutane and hair loss and I was pissed. I knew that there is hair loss on both sides of the family and that maybe in future years Tyler would face hair loss, but if I had all the facts about what this drug could do, I would have never agreed to the accutane.We go to the family doctor and he is very surprised that Tyler is loosing hair and that accutane is the cause, he's never heard of that side effect,(even though now it the packaging states that it can cause hair loss and thinning and in some cases the effect can be permanent), so he orders some tests for thyroid, white and red blood counts, liver function, and sugar, to see if there is any other culprits and makes him an appointment with the dermatoligist. When we see the dermatoligist and tell her what was happening, she pulled on the top of my son's hair said it was dry asked me what me husband looked like in the hair department and said it was male pattern baldness, that her son lost his hair at an early age and that in all the 18years she had been prescribing accutane she has only seen 2 cases of Alopecia. She then preceded to say, since I was so upset that she would give Tyler Minoxidol or propecia if all his test came back normal.
Since Tyler just turned 16 2 days after that appointment and he and I am well aware of the side effects of the propecia, no offense guys but comming from a girls prospective, I was not about to send my son out into the world bald and limp. I just did not want to give him something else that would give him yet another side effect.
So now all the test result according to the family doctor are normal and I decide to do the natural route.
We see a naturopath who does a food sensitivity test on him and a hormone saliva test. It comes back with a food sensitivity to sugar, fructose, and potatoes, and he was low his salt tissues for phosphorus and magnesium, and the male hormone panel showed that he had elevated levels of testoterone. If anyone knows or is interested I will post the results of the levels. Maybe someone understands them better.
So now we start, Tyler takes 2 tablespoons of flax oil, I b complex , 1 silica concentrate, 3digest plus,3biotin, 3 energen M(complex of saw palmetto, zinc, bee pollen and other dht blockers), 6 phos-mag tissue salt tablets, alternates to other taraxacam, and Naturium every other day and takes 2 tablespoons of either pumpkin seeds or sunflower seeds depending on the chart she set up.
This has been going on since the end of March, and in July I went to a tricholigist (a hair specialist in hair loss and diseases of the scalp) He felt that the accutane triggered the male pattern baldness early but felt that he could feel hair under the scalp at the temples where Tyler has really receeded. He felt that he had a chance to regrow this hair depending on how damaged the hair follicles were and he was also encouraged that although the recession in temples was substancial that there was no apparent hair loss in the crown.
His treatment, again the diet. My son was 153 pounds, he is 5foot 9. He said to keep down the dht levels on the scalp a low sugar diet that did not peak insulin levels and small meals and snacks was the answer, along with a strong herbal lotion that Tyler was to apply to the affected areas twice a day.That was July 1st, Tyler now weighs 142 pounds because of the small meals, he does not get to eat french fries, or potato chips, or chocolate, or cookies not that I let him eat a ton of this stuff before, but come on he is 16!!!!!!!! The herbal product consists of alchol, nettle, burdock, and parsnip and if you expose this formal to the sun you can burn your scalp so he wears a hat or a dew rag when he goes out. He is still loosing hair but I think there is some regrowth in the temple areas,but sometimes I think it is just wishful thinking or what I want to see. We don't go back to this guy until the end of September.
I recently looked into a hair transplant specialist in Toronto. Doctor Jones from the t.v. show skin deep. He wants to see Tyler for a free consultation, and if this is going to be the end result and I'm just chasing rainbows here with all the stuff I've already tried, and the $$$$$$$$$$I've already spent, I just don't know what to do for the kid!!
Sorry for the long post, theres alot of info here, but I would appreciate anyones comments, suggestions, help!!!!!!!!
 

TAINTED-MEAT

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Woah... slow down.... don't go to the hair transplant specialist. If he gets a transplant and continues to bald, he will look like a freak! There is NOT enough donor hair to cover the entire top of the head!!!! Plus, he could have a scar in the back depending on the procedure.

Trust me on this one, DON'T go to Toronto, all outcomes from a transplant at that age would be a catastrophe!

I don't know what to say about the Propecia, but I think he may be a bit young yet.

Get some topical spironolactone 5%. You can get some at minoxidil.com but I am sure there are many other sites if you search for them. Get some Minoxidil (Rogaine or other brand) 5%. Also, get some copper peptides. I am going to use American Crew Revitalize line. Check my regimen, there are great deals on eBay.

I was on accutane also from 1/06-6/06. It is definately not fun but it cleared up my acne that I had had for 5 years. I'm not sure if my hair thinned out more on accutane or if I just notice it more so now that my acne is gone.

I am 20 years old and I have been losing hair since I was 16... probably a 3 on the norwood scale. The best thing to do is NOT to panic! Avoid all hair transplant doctor. He/she will scam the sh*t out of you and make your son look unacceptable.

You can go for the Propecia or Avodart, but he should probably want to wait until he turns 18 so that it doesn't mess with his junk.

There is a possibility that in a few years Hair Multiplication will be out. In this procedure, hair can be extracted from his head, sent to a lab, and cells that grow hair re-injected into his head. Do a search on this site and know that there is hope for him even if he loses his hair now. If worse comes to worse, shave it... but don't get a hair transplant any time soon!!!!!
 

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yeah.. dont go to docs.. theres not much they can do about hairloss.
all they do is charging you 100 bux for talking to them for less than an hour and basically sets you up in same o' treatment that everyone does.
im22 and having receding hairline.. at first i was telling my parents that i dont care.. imma shave my head and go bald like a man but my mom told me how women hate bald guys.. shes old and she still hates bald men.. that got me pretty scary. its good that you are very supportive for your son. just try to get him used to shaving it. bald head is now acceptable in this society. since you are his mother, try to convince him that women dont mind bald guys to give him some confidence.. if he gets made fun of alot.. that's his part to go thru.. my only advice is be supportive mentally.. theres not much anyone can do about 14 yo losing hair.
 

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Please don't even think about a transplant, ever. That would be a terrible irreversible mistake.

You should rethink and research the propecia route. I don't know if at his age it would be counter productive. You will need to speak with a doctor(s) regarding at what age he could start propecia as I don't know. Please don't discount this drug for it's (perceived) side effects. He will have a great chance to not experience any of these side effects. Millions use it (like me!) without any sides. Just talk to a doctor about this drug, IT WILL WORK.
 

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Tyler's story

Hi: The hair translant route, is a free consultation, but I'm only considering it for information purposes only. I'm just looking into future options, but I also know that it would be foolish to put hair into the missing spots right now. I told my son that the first and main goal is to halt and slow down the hair falling. I know that just putting hair into the effected areas now without ceasing the hair loss that is occuring would be foolish, afterall the temples are the most affected now, but who is to say that it won't continue and he wil start diffuse thinning all around the crown. I just wanted to see what options are available. This doctor is Dr. Jones, he does a scalple free procedure apparently and he can even use chest hair?He does all his own procedures and appears in the t.v. show skin deep(which I have never seen by the way, nor does it impress me)I'm just looking for some logical help and solutions. Unfortunately I'm a person that is always thinking what is going to happen next, and how can I beat the -------- off!!!!
I would like to know about the spironolactone 5% though, what is it, how is it used, and what will it do? Is there any side effects with it, like shedding? and the copper peptides what are they, what will they do, and how much? Sorry for all the questions, but Thank you also.
Tyler is currently using the American Crew revitalizing shampoo and conditioner and the spray,I don't know if it is doing anything for him, but my husband who is 42 swears he sees new hairs on his head!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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I would personally cancel the free hair transplant consultation. I would think any reputable doctor would have told you to not even come in once you told them the age of your son.

You have also come to the right place since there are a lot of knowledgable people on this board with divergent views so you should learn a lot and hopefully this would lead to a sound plan to fight hair loss.
 

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If its male pattern baldness, what is so bad about hair transplants? Every day in my 20s was a wasted when with a receeded hairline.

I'm not saying highschool was great for me but it beat the days of having a bald spot. I can't imagine going through highschool balding!!
 

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my son tyler's story

I'm not saying that I'm going to run out and transplant his hair.I just want to see what it is all about and explore options, gain knowledge in case his hair loss continues at the pace its going. I really want to help him to fight it without having to go to this extreme. Right now with what I we have been doing has been all natural, trying to get the body to correct whatever the hell's going on, but deep in my heart as much as I am positive for him I don't think this is working. All I know is that it is unfair for a 16 year old to have to be worried about going bald, and I know that there are alot worse things that could happen to a person.
So if any of you have any ideas of what we could try, please let me know. The propecia as I've already mentioned Tyler is afraid of, because of the impotency problems, and the Minoxidol 5% does anyone know how much hair you shed in the beginning? Does it reallly become noticeable? I ask because he will be going back to school after labour day and he wears a school uniform, so hats or dewrags, would not be permitted and it already freaks him out when he knows he is loosing hair. (He has stopped looking when he showers now, which I am happy for , he does not need the stress)
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hair transplant is not a good idea at this point because even if you do that, his male pattern baldness will continue and he'll lose more hair. even hairs that he will get from hair transplant has possibility of falling back out. hair transplant would be pointless cuz he'll loose way more hair than what he lost so far if you dont treat it with medication.

finasteride and dutasteride would be the choices for medication. people say dutasteride is more powerful drug than finasteride and it has greater chance of sideeffects.
as far as i know. .doctors dont perscripe minors with finasteride.
you have to at least 18.. even then doctors dont usually do it.
but you can get it without perscription note, but you should go talk to a doctor about taking propecia.. even if hes young, you can start with low does till he reaches 18 19 and raise after. i dont know too much about role of DHT for man's developement.

basically, his male pattern baldness started early, its gonna get more aggressive as time goes. only way to stop it from getting more aggressive is to be on medication. i dont wanna be on finasteride but i have no choice.. nothing else seems to work.

seriously.. because hes so young, there's nothing anyone can really suggest.. in my opinion.. meds are little too dangerous for a 16yo.. hair transplant is kind of pointless.. sorry if im bringing your hopes down but its just my honest opinion.
 

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i starting losing hair when i was 15-16, its hurt even though i am only norwood 1.5 dont stress, exercise more (cardio) i am 17, 18 in a month or so, i am thinking buying propecia on the net. personnally and after advices from the knowledge on this site, its perfectly safe to use propecia once your sexual organs and body is fully developed. dont worry about being limp, its not a permanent sideeffect. lets hope hair muilplication comes in less than 5 years. high fibre diet is good, brocolis. try not to pump irons. Swimming is the best. create good sleeping pattern. good luck to your son :hairy:
 

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biglemoncoke said:
i starting losing hair when i was 15-16, its hurt even though i am only norwood 1.5 dont stress, exercise more (cardio) i am 17, 18 in a month or so, i am thinking buying propecia on the net. personnally and after advices from the knowledge on this site, its perfectly safe to use propecia once your sexual organs and body is fully developed. dont worry about being limp, its not a permanent sideeffect. lets hope hair muilplication comes in less than 5 years. high fibre diet is good, brocolis. try not to pump irons. Swimming is the best. create good sleeping pattern. good luck to your son :hairy:

thanks for the tip.. i just got all my info from this site but never got myself into good eating/sleeping patterns that can help my hairloss situation when its just as important as taking medication and use proper hair products. how is swimming good for hair? i dont get that..
does going forward in water with head facing front wake up hair focilie ?
thanks
 

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swimming is good cardio, lower dht. u can say running is good cardio too, but in my opinion swimming is better sport, because you use all parts of muscle, and won't have knee or leg problems that running gives you

good diet really helped my inflammation. dietry fibre is scientifically proven to reduce scalp inflammation, which may be linked to hair loss.

good sleeping pattern is only my opinion. cuz if not, it might mess up your hormones. there are many chinese medicinal articles to prove that. my chinese medicinal doctor said its good to sleep at around 10 at night. also besure to be awake and in your best shape by 10 in the morning. thats the time hair grows the fastest.
 
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thanks for the tip.. i just got all my info from this site but never got myself into good eating/sleeping patterns that can help my hairloss situation when its just as important as taking medication and use proper hair products. how is swimming good for hair? i dont get that..
does going forward in water with head facing front wake up hair focilie ?
thanks

None of this is true! How can you believe that having a great sleeping and eating schedule as is important for hair as medication and hair products like minoxidil etc? That's total BS! If your hair falls out because of poor diet or lack of sleep then it will grow back-it's not male pattern baldness

I don't want people to read your post and take it seriously.
 

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u dont think an unhealthy sleep pattern or diet will no spark a faster or more agressive male pattern baldness? comeon this is logic, maybe theres no scientific research or article that would back this. some times science aint everything. columbis said the globe was round. scientist said he was a lunatic.
 

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Like many have said already, doctors dont do anything, theyll run their fingers through your hair and say "Oh, this is probably because of stress...it'll PROBABLY grow back in a few months"

I dont know really what to do, I feel bad for your son, my friend started losing hair when he was 15

Try Minoxidil, Nizoral Shampoo and make sure he gets his daily share of clacium, biotin, vitamin C, zinc, and iron (all which help hair grow strong, I dont know if its proven, but studies show that it does)

and protein (not from shakes and bars, from real meat and chicken)
 
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biglemoncoke said:
u dont think an unhealthy sleep pattern or diet will no spark a faster or more agressive male pattern baldness? comeon this is logic, maybe theres no scientific research or article that would back this. some times science aint everything. columbis said the globe was round. scientist said he was a lunatic.


you're hurting my head. sometimes science isn't everything lol. you should be in the avacor commercial. yes i'll believe you over hundreds of trained scientists and others. gimme a break.

Original poster, do not listen to this guy. he will probably tell you to tell your son to just get some better sleep and food.
 

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I'd try:

minoxidil
Hair loss growth serum from SkinActives.com
Spironalactone
Copper peptides

Home schooling might be best for now also.
 

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it's my understanding, that accutane tends to preempts hairloss, only if you already have the genes for it, and once it starts... those follicle will always be dht sensitive

still terrible and they never tell you about the risk i am sure,

though elevated testosterone and i am assuming acne, maybe it's all genetic alone... tough to say

16 may be early, but if he is done growing, i would suggest getting on the propecia

goodluck!

biglemoncoke said:
u dont think an unhealthy sleep pattern or diet will no spark a faster or more agressive male pattern baldness? comeon this is logic, maybe theres no scientific research or article that would back this. some times science aint everything. columbis said the globe was round. scientist said he was a lunatic.
wow, "some times science aint everything." are you freaking joking... and it was not "scientists" who said the world was flat, it was religious nut jobs like those of today who say "some times science aint everything." and tell use that the moon does create light, the earth is 6,000 years old, and guys who lose hair are made from dirt, and women who lose hair are made from a rib

i mean, i could give reasons why i think that poor diet and sleep would actually reduce male pattern baldness, but there is no real science behind it, as with your statement
 

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i am just saying the technological advances on science today has not proven 1% of the truth of the world yet. if it did, there would of been cure for hairloss already.yes? getting a healthier lifestyle does help metabolism and make you more healthy, yes? being healthy MAY help with your hairloss? sorry maybe i am wrong.
 

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biglemoncoke said:
i am just saying the technological advances on science today has not proven 1% of the truth of the world yet. if it did, there would of been cure for hairloss already.yes? getting a healthier lifestyle does help metabolism and make you more healthy, yes? being healthy MAY help with your hairloss? sorry maybe i am wrong.
and i will say that being healthy is associated with male pattern baldness, producing enough testosterone and ar type2; thus, DHT will be OPTIMAL when you have a "healthier lifestyle"...

it goes both ways man
 
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