My story + help needed

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Hi everybody,

The male pattern baldness hit me in august 2006, when I was 25. My hair was my biggest asset. In numerous occasions I have received compliments from girls about my hair and it was giving me a super confidence in day to day interactions at work, with girls and etc. Anyway, the male pattern baldness was so aggressive that in a few months I have lost 30 % of the density of my hair. My face changed!!
I started treating the male pattern baldness with some stupid vitamins, dietary supplements and other crap that I ordered on-line. Nothing helped. In May 2007 I started the “big 3â€￾, after I had found out this site. My regimen was: 1.25mg of Proscar daily, Rogaine Foam only at the hairline (started with two applications but switched to only once a day some months ago) and Nizoral shampoo 2-3 times a week.
The results were: my vertex’s bald spot closed up (good re-growth), maintenance on all other areas except for the hairline where the Rogaine did nothing- no re-growth but only gradual thinning and deformation. On the scale I would say that I am between Norwood 1 to Norwood 1.5 but diffuse, which is not visible on the first day after taking a shower.

Here where the fun part starts!

On the 22nd of February 2009 I discontinued the Proscar due to the sides, which become intolerable. The first negative side effects appeared on the 12 month when I have developed pretty aggressive gyno. Initially I could tolerate this side effect, because I guess my hair was more important than my breasts, so I kept on with the Proscar. Later on month 18 of my treatment my parents told me that I have transformed dramatically (they see me every other month) and told me that I was undergoing a feminization process. They noted that I had gained weight in a way, which is typical for girls, also according to them my voice was becoming softer, my shoulders were becoming smaller, my hips were getting wider and of course the gyno. Until that moment I was not really paying attention to my body, except for my hair. I was obsessed, and still am, with my hair. This was the only physical feature that I was interested, when looking at the mirror. The drugs were doing a good job and the hair was one of the most important things in my life. I must have been addicted to finasteride, because even at that point I have not considered quitting the drug. Other sides that I was experiencing at that point, which I could not connect with the finasteride until I found www.propeicahelp.com and read some of the stories, were exhaustion, terrible constipation problem, panic attacks and extreme paranoia (especially when high). Another side which I was experiencing was that I could not handle with the stress as I used to.
On the 10th of February 2009 I had one of the most stressful days in my career. After work I decided to ski, so I can relax. This usually is my No. 1 stress relief but this time did not help. Usually after skiing I feel so relaxed and relived and sleep pretty well. Unfortunately that night I could not sleep for more than 1-2 hours. Anyway everything started on the next day!! I went to work with a blurred mind. I was feeling my hands and legs somehow disconnected from my body. I could also feel that my muscles were tingling and trembling.
It is very hard to explain that feeling even in my native language but I would say that this is what stands for brain fog. It is like when you are high and you are looking at the surroundings from a different angle. It is like when you are looking at the world from a “filterâ€￾. You are feeling your head heavier with a very slight pain, especially when you turning it abruptly to a different direction. The feeling resembles the dizziness when you change your altitude very quickly. The feeling is like you have some problems with the vestibular system.
Anyway, this day at work was an absolute disastrous I could not concentrate at all and the brain fog was accelerating when I was trying to concentrate. At work I could experience the slurring of speech and stumbling over words side effects. I freaked out and took the rest of the week off. Initially I thought all this is due to the super stressful job I have but on the next day, after good sleep, nothing changed. All the mental sides were there!!

Then I thought of the worst and went to scan my head. Fortunately, there were no problems!!

I never thought that the finasteride can cause such a damage mental wise.
It is day 14th and 3 days from stopping the finasteride and I am still in this funky state!!!!!!
It is terrible. You cannot do anything right!!!

This is my story and guys I would like to continue the treatment of my male pattern baldness and would like to ask you some question:

1) Is stopping the finasteride immediately just like I did is the best thing to do or is better to initially decrease the dosage and gradually stop it?

2) I am thinking of starting with the Xandrox 15 % plus + spironolactone 5 %. Do you think this is the best alternative that could compensate for the oral finasteride?

3) What else can I do - Revivogen?

4) You can think of me of a freak for this one (after experiencing all those severe sides) but if I decrease the dosage of the finasteride dramatically, let’s say 0.5 mg a day would I experience the same sides?

Thank you kindly in advance for all your input.
 

iwantperfection

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i have heard the gyno issue obviously but i didnt know it can turn the body feminine.

f*** that man... try something else
 

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iwantperfection said:
i have heard the gyno issue obviously but i didnt know it can turn the body feminine.

f*ck that man... try something else

What else?
 

eXVee

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Gyno, yes. Feminisation, no. I'm sorry to tell you this but your parents are jerks.

However iff you're sure you have sides, you should quit. Your (mental) health is more important then your hair. Gyno is definitely a reason to quit.

That being said, have your hormone levels checked. If they're normal, stop worrying because your mind can play tricks on you too.
 

chain

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eXVee said:
Gyno, yes. Feminisation, no. I'm sorry to tell you this but your parents are jerks.

However iff you're sure you have sides, you should quit. Your (mental) health is more important then your hair. Gyno is definitely a reason to quit.

That being said, have your hormone levels checked. If they're normal, stop worrying because your mind can play tricks on you too.

eXVee,

Thanks for the reply. Believe it or not but my mother is an endocrinologist with 31 years experience in the field. I guess she exaggerated because we had a deal. If I am experiencing any sides from the finasteride to stop it. She was always against me taking a powerful drug that would interfere with the endocrynal system of a young and helathy individual. Now I do not have the courage to tell her about my current state!!!!!!


Anyway, please disregard my story. What I am really interested in is what to do from noe on?

1) Is there any chance that If I decrease the dosage of the finasteride dramatically, let’s say 0.5 mg a day would I not experience the same sides?

2) I am thinking of starting with the Xandrox 15 % plus + spironolactone 5 %. Do you think this is the best alternative that could compensate for the oral finasteride?

3) What else can I do - Revivogen?
 

eXVee

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You could try a topical DHT inhibitor, like the one you mentioned: spironolactone cream. I suggest browsing the Alternative Treatments section of these forums.

But Your mother's an endocrinologist? That's interesting. Did she check you for any hormonal imbalances?

(BTW, As a doctor your mother should know how her exaggerated words can make you feel even sicker).
 

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your not imagining it. I have quit finasteride due to brain fog and fatigue. My sex drive seems fine though. I've had this side effect before when dosing at 1mg but the problem came quickly and went quickly after stopping. Unable to accept my hairloss I started again at an 8th of finasteride then later a quater. Things were great i only got minor gyno and it wasnt bad. However slowly the same problems i was getting when taking 1mg of finasteride came back. It came back so slowly i didnt notice until now, which is when i realised something is wrong. I know this is not in my head because i havent allowed myself to think about fins side effects as that will only cause paranoia. I think because i chose to ignore these signs, thinking it was in my head i had become naturally oblivous of it untill now. I quit finasteride just over a week ago to see if it goes and it hasnt. For me the fatigue is the worst part and seems to have gotten worse since stopping the drug a week ago. The brainfog isnt too bad, but i know i have it as my concentration is similair to that of a drunk.

I've heard DHT (5ar) is still suppressed for a few weeks after stopping finasteride so you will still get sides. However i think the longer you are on the drug the longer it takes to get rid of those side effects. I have read somewhere that 5ar (dht) plays some role in the brain and certain functions in your body and messing with it for some people can can cause your body to crash hence the fatigue and brain fog.

1) Staying off finasteride immediatelly is the best thing to do. Dont go back on it, not even at lower dose you can still get side effects and you might risk futher damage. Wait and see if your body recovers then decide to go back at lower dose.

2) There's no evidence that says topical spironolactone works for male pattern baldness. Flutimide works better, but has its own side effects to worry about. Xandrox is probably a good alternative, stick with that.

3) Revivogen is an interesting one. There's nothing too good or bad to say about it. I think it works for some but not others. I dont think it will yeild the same impressive results like minoxidil and propecia, but it might be worth a try.

4) Not at all am in a similair situation to you. Even 0.5mg will give you side effects but not to the same extent. If you want to start up again i would start at an 0.125 (8th) of finasteride to be safe, then slowly work your dosage up again. You would be suprised how powerful a low dose can still be. One half dose of finasteride does not make it half effective. It more like 80% effective still.
 

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eXVee said:
But Your mother's an endocrinologist? That's interesting. Did she check you for any hormonal imbalances?

I did not have the courage to tell her about the gyno. Now I do not have the courage to tell her about the mental sides.
 

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follicle84 said:
your not imagining it. I have quit finasteride due to brain fog and fatigue. My sex drive seems fine though. I've had this side effect before when dosing at 1mg but the problem came quickly and went quickly after stopping. Unable to accept my hairloss I started again at an 8th of finasteride then later a quater. Things were great i only got minor gyno and it wasnt bad. However slowly the same problems i was getting when taking 1mg of finasteride came back. It came back so slowly i didnt notice until now, which is when i realised something is wrong. I know this is not in my head because i havent allowed myself to think about fins side effects as that will only cause paranoia. I think because i chose to ignore these signs, thinking it was in my head i had become naturally oblivous of it untill now. I quit finasteride just over a week ago to see if it goes and it hasnt. For me the fatigue is the worst part and seems to have gotten worse since stopping the drug a week ago. The brainfog isnt too bad, but i know i have it as my concentration is similair to that of a drunk.

I've heard DHT (5ar) is still suppressed for a few weeks after stopping finasteride so you will still get sides. However i think the longer you are on the drug the longer it takes to get rid of those side effects. I have read somewhere that 5ar (dht) plays some role in the brain and certain functions in your body and messing with it for some people can can cause your body to crash hence the fatigue and brain fog.

1) Staying off finasteride immediatelly is the best thing to do. Dont go back on it, not even at lower dose you can still get side effects and you might risk futher damage. Wait and see if your body recovers then decide to go back at lower dose.

2) There's no evidence that says topical spironolactone works for male pattern baldness. Flutimide works better, but has its own side effects to worry about. Xandrox is probably a good alternative, stick with that.

3) Revivogen is an interesting one. There's nothing too good or bad to say about it. I think it works for some but not others. I dont think it will yeild the same impressive results like minoxidil and propecia, but it might be worth a try.

4) Not at all am in a similair situation to you. Even 0.5mg will give you side effects but not to the same extent. If you want to start up again i would start at an 0.125 (8th) of finasteride to be safe, then slowly work your dosage up again. You would be suprised how powerful a low dose can still be. One half dose of finasteride does not make it half effective. It more like 80% effective still.

Thanks for the info follicle84!!

How long did you wait before you fully recovered after stopping it for the first time?

Did you experience a massive hair loss right after quitting?

What was the time frame between quitting it for a first time and starting it for a second? How was you hair doing in the time span?

What is your current regimen and what do you intend to do now?


p.s. sorry for the bombardment
 

follicle84

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I got side effects after about two weeks on 1mg of finasteride. I carried on taking it for another month lowering the dose from 1mg, 0.5, 0.25mg then came off it. The side effects took two to three weeks to completelly go after stopping finasteride. That was when i took finasteride the first time.

The time span between stopping and starting treatment was about 3 and half months i think.

The second time was now. I have been on finasteride for almost 5months. I've been off it for one week and still having problems. My guess is that things should return to normal. I've heard guys being on finasteride for ten months and only fully recovering after 5 months. Everybodies bodies are different and it will be different for different people.

I gained alot of hair on my hairline (micro to vellus) both times using finasteride. The first time was better because i used xandrox with it and used a bigger dose of finasteride.

Funny enough i shed more on finasteride than without it and didnt suffer any dire consequences coming off it.

I am gutted that finasteride isnt working for me because i have tried everything to minimise these side effects. My mental health and body at the end of the day come first and are more important things to be concerned with.

Its very dissheartening to know the biggest weapons against hairloss dont work for me, but i am not going to give up so easilly despite peoples claims that only minoxidil, nizoral and finasteride work.

My current regimen was saw palmetto, nizoral, muti vitamains, omega 3 fish oils, green tea capsules, brocolli extract and alpha lipoic acid and finasteride. I have tried many others too.

i'll let you know if i find any reliable alternatives.

So far i am looking into flutimide, SOD, emu oil, coconut oil and crinagen as topicals.

For oral i am looking into l-argine and l-lysine. They wont be great for hair loss but they might help a little. I am also considering massaging my scalp to boost circulation. I strongly believe this can help to a limited degree. Minoxidil works by releasing nitric oxide into the hair follicles which open blood vessels and allow nutients to get to the hair follicle and prolong its life and making it grow. Since this is true massaging the scalp to boost circulation should have a similair effect to a limited degree. I responded well to minoxidil, but couldnt take the side effects. So this might work for me. I would consider this to be like a minoxidil but without the nasty side effects. Maybe i am being niave here but i have tried it and makes my scalp feel refreshed and healthy (thats got to be good). I am however not expecting miracles here and doubt i'll get any regrowth like minoxidil and finasteride gave me, but i do believe this will prolong the life of my hair and thus slow hairloss.
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Did you know that dht is not just the cause of hairloss. Its our immune system as well. Dht changes the follicle so your body doesnt recognise it anymore. When that happens your body treats the hair like a foreign entity like a disease or virus and attacks the hair follicle. When this happens blood eventually becomes restricted to the hair follicle, cutting off vital nutients needed to make it grow, thus killing the hair follicle. Thats what makes you truly lose your hair. There are other facters aswell of course, but am not going to go into it.

I believe it pays to research treatments and not just take people oppinions on things. It helps alot to know some hair science too.

I'll keep you posted on things good luck.
 

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If your getting sides from oral finasteride, you will more than likely experience them from Xandrox 15 % plus (which contains finasteride) as topical finasteride is absorbed systematically according to studies.

I feel you though, I had fantastic results on finasteride but experienced sexual sides that I couldn't live with. Was on for 5 months, now off for 2 days. I have no doubt things will return to normal. You're doing the right thing listening to your parents and stopping the dosage.

As for your new regimen, I would use topicals such as spironolactone or proxiphen, and minoxidil ( There is a xandrox 15% without finasteride). While using 2% keto shampoo a few times a week. You could try revivogen or super zix some people have results with these, but there isn't a lot of scientific evidence backing them up.


Good luck with everything. Keep us updated.
 
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