No more cutting edge experiments down the line?

[Python]

It looks to me as though there is nothing more we can try that seems to have at least some merit. We have already gone down every goose chase that we might have actually tried everything out there worth trying.

So is this it? Are we done, and just pray for the biotechs to deliver and hope for good news on the convention. Well that's if Desmond does go in the end.

 

[2young2retire]

you havent tried the most efficient way . me too. despite my improvement. i believe there is some way to be more resulting

 

[Python]

you havent tried the most efficient way . me too. despite my improvement. i believe there is some way to be more resulting

I have tried it but it's way to painful for me. I might need to get local anesthetic for that.

 

[Deadman1]

You have to remember that not only has no one come up with anything close to a cure for baldness, they haven't even come up with anything close to being able to take vellus hairs of any type and make them terminal. That should tell you how far they are from a cure anytime in the next 50 years.

Billions of dollars have been tthrown at breast cancer research alone, a disease that kills, yet they are no closer to a cure than they were 40 years ago.

 

[Agahi]

I have tried it but it's way to painful for me. I might need to get local anesthetic for that.

I usually bite on my belt during. I'll admit I tear up too. If you guys are talking about what I think you are.

 

[Python]

You have to remember that not only has no one come up with anything close to a cure for baldness, they haven't even come up with anything close to being able to take vellus hairs of any type and make them terminal. That should tell you how far they are from a cure anytime in the next 50 years.

Billions of dollars have been tthrown at breast cancer research alone, a disease that kills, yet they are no closer to a cure than they were 40 years ago.

We're just so sick and tired of waiting and snake oils. But breast cancer, well... the cure is hidden by big corporations, we all know that.

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I usually bite on my belt during. I'll admit I tear up too. If you guys are talking about what I think you are.

Yes, it is that if which we do not speak.

 

[hiko]

I think Follica is going to be the one to bring a cure. And sooner than people think. Their method seems simple and straightforward, unlike Replicel, and uses FDA approved drugs. That and their executives keep saying they can consistently regenerate hair follicles in humans using their method.

 

[Agahi]

Do they have any current pics ect for their method and an estimated time of availability?

 

[cthulhu2.0]

I recently talked to a hair transplant surgeon about the future of hair loss treatments and he gave me an interesting response. He believed that the research on stem cells, which is basically what histogen and follica are working on, is a waste of time. His reason being that the hair follicle is an organ and that any hair follicles that we create will simply be rejected by the body over a certain time span. He used the example of artificial organs, which are rejected by the body despite their functionality outside the body. He believed the future will be a drug that piggy-backs our genes to stop the sensitivity to DHT. I can't say I disagree, given the disappointment of follica and histogen so far(7/8 years and still nothing from the two companies).

 

[IDeveloper]

A real treatment for male pattern baldness would be based on gene therapy in earlier stages of hair loss. Everything else is useless.

 

[Python]

I recently talked to a hair transplant surgeon about the future of hair loss treatments and he gave me an interesting response. He believed that the research on stem cells, which is basically what histogen and follica are working on, is a waste of time. His reason being that the hair follicle is an organ and that any hair follicles that we create will simply be rejected by the body over a certain time span. He used the example of artificial organs, which are rejected by the body despite their functionality outside the body. He believed the future will be a drug that piggy-backs our genes to stop the sensitivity to DHT. I can't say I disagree, given the disappointment of follica and histogen so far(7/8 years and still nothing from the two companies).

Well he is obviously is more clueless than a 6 year old girl. Follica's method is not us creating new follicle organs, it's us giving the stem cells a push to become new follicle organs on its own. The body creates the follicle, just like it did when we were first developing.

Tell him tht he is an idiot of elephant proportions and that what he said is an insult to his profession and the school from which he graduated. While you're at it, let him know how worthless his job will be once a cure comes out. He must be **** scared just talking about it.

 

[I.D WALKER]

Before you start telling him off (after he gives you his consent) would you mind touching the record mode of your camera. A video of his expression might be fun to watch.:fun:

 

[IDW2BB]

We are close.



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24758480

A model system to analyze the ability of human keratinocytes to form hair follicles.

Thangapazham RL1, Klover P, Li S, Wang JA, Sperling L, Darling TN.



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Abstract

Earlier studies showed that dermal cells lose trichogenic capacity with passage, but studies on the effect of keratinocyte passage on human hair follicle neogenesis and graft quality has been hampered by the lack of a suitable model system. We recently documented human hair follicle neogenesis in grafted dermal-epidermal composites and in the present study we determined the effects of keratinocyte passage on hair follicle neogenesis. Dermal equivalents were made with cultured human dermal papilla cells and were overlaid with either primary or passaged human keratinocytes to form dermal-epidermal composites; these were then grafted onto immunodeficient mice. Superior hair follicle neogenesis was observed using early keratinocyte cultures. Characteristics such as formation of hair shafts and sebaceous glands, presence of hair follicles with features of anagen or telogen follicles, and reproducible hair and skin function parameters make this model a tool to study human hair follicle neogenesis and development. This article is protected by copyright.

 

[cthulhu2.0]

Well he is obviously is more clueless than a 6 year old girl. Follica's method is not us creating new follicle organs, it's us giving the stem cells a push to become new follicle organs on its own. The body creates the follicle, just like it did when we were first developing.

Tell him tht he is an idiot of elephant proportions and that what he said is an insult to his profession and the school from which he graduated. While you're at it, let him know how worthless his job will be once a cure comes out. He must be **** scared just talking about it.

Lets see, how many years has follicle been at it (roughly 7 years give or take) and look at where they are now. No clinical studies or really much of anything that gives credibility except the name George cotsarellis and a few press releases. To my knowledge, we haven't been able to induce the regeneration of other organs in humans, why would hair follicles be any different? Please troll somewhere else, this forum is meant to share relevant information in a respected manner. We don't need another squeegee f'ing up the vibe.

 

[Python]

Lets see, how many years has follicle been at it (roughly 7 years give or take) and look at where they are now. No clinical studies or really much of anything that gives credibility except the name George cotsarellis and a few press releases. To my knowledge, we haven't been able to induce the regeneration of other organs in humans, why would hair follicles be any different? Please troll somewhere else, this forum is meant to share relevant information in a respected manner. We don't need another squeegee f'ing up the vibe.

No one is taking about the imcompetence of a company to deliver the cure within a timeframe. His argument or yours, was about the science and in particularly how man-made organs get rejected after some time. This is true, we have seen plenty of cases that support that. But Follica's method is not creating new organs in the lab and implanting them, we are pushing the stem cells to become hair follicles and not worthless skin as it usually does. There is a huge difference.

Oven if the follicles are rejected after a couple of years, people would just go and get another procedure done. Don't take it personal, it's just that the argument he made was like comparing Spider-Man to the hulk.

 

[IDW2BB]

http://www.lanereport.com/25565/201...m-cell-technology-to-prevent-organ-rejection/

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (October 30,2013) – The University of Louisville today announced that researcher Dr. Suzanne Ildstad, representing Regenerex LLC, has entered into a license and research collaboration agreement with Novartis to provide access to stem cell technology that has the potential to help transplant patients avoid taking anti-rejection medicine for life and could serve as a platform for treatment of other diseases.

“The ‘holy grail’ of transplantation is immune tolerance: that is, making the body recognize a transplanted organ as ‘self’ and not reject it as foreign tissue, but without the need for immunosuppressive drugs with their numerous serious side effects,†said Dr. David L. Dunn, executive vice president for health affairs at UofL. “Dr. Ildstad and her team may well have solved this puzzle.

 

[Python]

http://www.lanereport.com/25565/201...m-cell-technology-to-prevent-organ-rejection/

We need something like that and fast

 

[Ori83]

Calm down brah, cure in 5 years tops!


:devil:

 

[Deadman1]

Calm down brah, cure in 5 years tops!


:devil:

Yeah like follicle? Seven or eight years and not even a clinical study. If a company started today, between three phases of trials and approvals you are talking at least 15 years. Since no one is anywhere close, it isn't happening in the lifetime of anyone here.

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Well he is obviously is more clueless than a 6 year old girl. Follica's method is not us creating new follicle organs, it's us giving the stem cells a push to become new follicle organs on its own. The body creates the follicle, just like it did when we were first developing.

Yet 7 to 8 years later and still nothing from them.

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We are close.



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24758480

Oh bull! Over the years I have read breakthrough after breakthrough regarding cancer treatment yet they have all faded away and we are no closer to a cure than we were 40 years ago. Most of it is bs with the intention of keeping the free grant money flowing.

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A real treatment for male pattern baldness would be based on gene therapy in earlier stages of hair loss. Everything else is useless.

I agree

 

[happychineseboy]

It seems like pills to regulate hormones/DHT carry the risk of sexual side effects, so this treatment option is pretty unpopular.
Our best bet is for follicular cloning or maybe some hair fiber that can be implanted into the head without our body rejecting the fake hair implant.
I think the Japanese did something along the lines of sewing surgical stitches to people's head to mimic hair