Normal for balding areas to get worse before getting better?

[Guest]

Hey guys,

I've been on avodart for 5 weeks now, was on finasteride for 5- 6 weeks before that, blah blah blah.

I'm noticing that my hair seems a lot thinner and i can lift up my top hair and see a lot more scalp. My hairline is intact and is basically the same as it was before but I'm just noticing increased thinning around the crown and diffusing all over the top, which are my problem areas.

What I'm asking is that for you guys who shed on dutasteride or finasteride or guys who just take it, did your hair look worse before it started to get better? I know that many people have shed on dutasteride and finasteride and I'm pretty sure that I am as well, but when you were shedding did your balding areas look worse overall?

I know that my hair has not looked this awful ever, and just three months ago before starting on finasteride/dutasteride it looked great in comparison. I'm pretty confident that the hair will come back but I'm just looking for reassurance from some people that have been in my situation.

Thanks.

 

[DaKine]

What you're describing is exactly what is happening to me as well. First 2-2.5 months my hair didn't change. The next month I could see the start of thinning at the vertex, which hadn't been affected to this point.

At 4 months, my hair looked significantly worse, with the crown and vertex(both of which I never worried about) looking much worse. I had a significant amount of hair, so it probably isn't totally obvious to my friends and coworkers, but if they look at all, they see it.

I don't know what we can do but ride it out?

 

[Guest]

thanks dakine. i am def going to ride it out, im on dutasteride for lifeor untiul something better comes out.

i just wanted to hear from people like you who experienced or who are currently experincing something similar

 

[DaKine]

You know, I think that a year from now the two of us will be able to say definitively if it was worth it. Either the shed hair comes back or it doesn't. That's something that is desperately lacking from the site.

I hope things turn around for both of us. Good luck.

 

[Guest]

You know, I think that a year from now the two of us will be able to say definitively if it was worth it. Either the shed hair comes back or it doesn't. That's something that is desperately lacking from the site.

I hope things turn around for both of us. Good luck.

Good luck to you too.

What do you think is desperately lacking from the site?

 

[balu123]

mh... I just read something on a german website.
another theory for shedding with dutasteride.

http://www.usa-direkt.de/avodart.htm
Dutasteride bewirkt einen extremen Anstieg des Testosteron Spiegels in der Kopfhaut ( + 104 % nach Rittmaster ) . Testosteron wird jedoch nicht nur in DHT umgewandelt, sondern auch in Östrogen ( eine schöne Darstellung hier ) Excessives Östrogen kann jedoch beim Mann starken Haarausfall bewirken, da die Östrogen / Androgen Relation total durcheinandergebracht wird. Nochmals der klare Hinweis, Avodart ist nicht zur Anwendung bei jungen Männern gedacht.

What means in short:
testosterone increases 104% during taking dutasteride... and this website says that also the more testosterone will be changed to oestrogen.... And excessive oestrogen causes heavy male hair loss as well...
(zinc prevent that testo-oestro change?)

what to think?
If we three want to think positive we should just believe in the success stories and stats of more hair with dutasteride

 

[DaKine]

I think that the increase in testosterone could be related, but who can tell?

The evidence regarding shedding and regrowth is something that people would be really helped by. I think that is what is missing on the site.

If you knew that it wasn't coming back you would quit and if you knew it was coming back you would continue...

 

[CCS]

What means in short:
testosterone increases 104% during taking dutasteride... and this website says that also the more testosterone will be changed to oestrogen.... And excessive oestrogen causes heavy male hair loss as well...
(zinc prevent that testo-oestro change?)

I heard this theory before. Let's find out how much estrogen women have compared to men before we assume the estrogen causes hair loss at higher doses. We know that women can handle their estrogen levels, though one could argue the lack of testosterone helps, and that all hormones are bad. Funny someone brought this theory up again, since I was looking for a drug that would turn scalp testossterone into estrogen so the testosterone would not hurt my follicles (indirectly).

The fact is, if is there is a 100% increase in scalp testosterone, it probably mostly comes from DHT that is not made, not from body DHT, or we'd all have steroid effects. DHT is our worse eneny, since that is how propecia works. So even if estrogen is bad, it is better than DHT. And I doubt estrogen is worse than testosterone. But the best way to find out what is worse is to look at men and women's hair. Last I checked women have a lot more hair than men.

 

[balu123]

I've been on Dutasteride for 13 months, I've had 3 sheds. Each time the hair grew back to its original condition (actually, slightly fuller, with alittle bit of regrowth in the crown area on me) Alot of people advise to ride the sheds out. I would have to agree. (I'm not a doctor, so don't take my advice as medical advice, only the opinion of a guy who was losing his hair)

http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php ... 366&page=3

 

[mellonhead]

yeah ive been taking finasteride and everything was doing awesome until now which is the 2 and a half month point...wow in a matter of days/weeks ive lost a buttload of hair...ppl say it will regrow and i hope it does but im very skeptical anyone know the typical time for results and sheds are for finasteride?

 

[barnabas]

I enjoy how at any given time in the forum's history like, 20 people on the forum have actually been on their medications for more than 5 months, and most of them are only here cause it isn't working. There's absolutely no way of knowing if people went away cause their hair got better or went away cause they couldn't stop it and gave up. I have the same problem, my hair is abruptly getting a LOT worse and fast after a few months on propecia, but no one seems to actually be able to answer if this is a typical effect cause evidently no one that had it get worse after 3 months is still on this site unless they want to know if it will get better. PPPPPPPP

 

[Felk]

mh... I just read something on a german website.
another theory for shedding with dutasteride.

http://www.usa-direkt.de/avodart.htm
Dutasteride bewirkt einen extremen Anstieg des Testosteron Spiegels in der Kopfhaut ( + 104 % nach Rittmaster ) . Testosteron wird jedoch nicht nur in DHT umgewandelt, sondern auch in Östrogen ( eine schöne Darstellung hier ) Excessives Östrogen kann jedoch beim Mann starken Haarausfall bewirken, da die Östrogen / Androgen Relation total durcheinandergebracht wird. Nochmals der klare Hinweis, Avodart ist nicht zur Anwendung bei jungen Männern gedacht.

What means in short:
testosterone increases 104% during taking dutasteride... and this website says that also the more testosterone will be changed to oestrogen.... And excessive oestrogen causes heavy male hair loss as well...
(zinc prevent that testo-oestro change?)

what to think?
If we three want to think positive we should just believe in the success stories and stats of more hair with dutasteride

oestrogen doesn't cause heavy male hair loss, there isn't evidence for this.

 

[RSG]

Wont the increase in estrogen put us as a greater risk of male breast cancer?

Also the ive noticed something really weird aswell. I was on propecia for 2 months earlier on this yr. Stopped for sides, exactly 2 months after had a massive shed and thinning of hair. I went back on propecia for another 2months, things improved, again sides came back and i stopped. Its been exactly 2 months since and im going through the same shed. Now ive started .5mg propecia. I'll c how it goes. Hopefully the shed will stop soon.