Obama Is Said to Consider Preventive Detention Plan

[The Gardener]

Obama is breaking new ground... he's trying something that not even Bush had the cajones to attempt. He's trying to grant the government authority to detain people indefinitely not just if they were involved in a crime, or terrorism... but if the government believes that they are "potential" criminals or terrorists.

To quote the article:

President Obama told human rights advocates at the White House on Wednesday that he was mulling the need for a “preventive detentionâ€￾ system that would establish a legal basis for the United States to incarcerate terrorism suspects who are deemed a threat to national security but cannot be tried.

"A threat to national security, but cannot be tried"?? What the heck does this mean? I thought that we all had a basic right to due process and a trial by a jury of our peers? NOT ANYMORE if this is put into force.

Hate to break the bad news, but this is pretty eye opening. We all better wake the f*ck up and start paying attention to what is going on.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/po ... 4&emc=eta1

 

[The Gardener]

And in other news... The Fed attempted to buy the long end of the US Treasury bond curve this week to force interest rates lower... and they failed. The US Treasuries market is on the cusp of implosion, which has MAJOR implications on our national credit rating.

The UK's credit rating just got tweaked downward TODAY. If the same happens to the Dollar, the world's "reserve currency" the interest rates we pay to finance our debt will spike upwards... right at the same time the US is trying to monitize massive deficits through new bond issuance.

And in other news, April unemployment claims (people who lost their jobs in April) initially reported to be 461K. At the time it was touted as a "green shoot" sign of hope.. as a monthly loss of 461K jobs was a reduction from a loss of over 500K jobs in March.

Well, they just retroactively revised that figure downward, April new unemployment claims were in excess of 700K! Nice fiddling of the figures there, Wash DC.

We're witnessing history here folks... sh*t is hitting the fan, slow motion train wreck.

 

[Old Baldy]

Obama is breaking new ground... he's trying something that not even Bush had the cajones to attempt. He's trying to grant the government authority to detain people indefinitely not just if they were involved in a crime, or terrorism... but if the government believes that they are "potential" criminals or terrorists.

To quote the article:

President Obama told human rights advocates at the White House on Wednesday that he was mulling the need for a “preventive detentionâ€￾ system that would establish a legal basis for the United States to incarcerate terrorism suspects who are deemed a threat to national security but cannot be tried.

"A threat to national security, but cannot be tried"?? What the heck does this mean? I thought that we all had a basic right to due process and a trial by a jury of our peers? NOT ANYMORE if this is put into force.

Hate to break the bad news, but this is pretty eye opening. We all better wake the f*ck up and start paying attention to what is going on.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/po ... 4&emc=eta1

Sorry Gardener, this is one of those rare times I disagree with you.

You have two guys diametrically opposed to about everything political/philosophical (i.e., Cheney and Obama) and they both seem to have the same bent on this issue. That should tell us all something IMHO.

Go Obama!! Go baby!!

(Edit: I realize you're worried about abuses and I understand that in all seriousness. This one has to be watched closely by all of us.)

 

[HughJass]

Pretty bonkers. I couldn't access the article- what reason, if any, did Obama give for considering this?

Maybe he's getting rattled by all the stuff Cheney is saying and is (over)compensating by announcing these laws, trying to head off any perceived weakness on national security :dunno:



I'll see your authoritarian legislation and raise you another!

 

[CCS]

Glad you woke up. Many people saw that one comming.

Obama has already stated whom he suspect terrorists to be. He believes pro-lifers, pro-second amendment people, libertarians, Nader lovers, Ron Paul followers, anyone who carries a copy of the constitution, and state's rights advocates to be terror suspects.

Google DHS Department of Homeland Security and terrorist suspects. Jannet Napoletano agrees with Obama on this.

Anyone want to post a link? I've heard a lot about this on Fox and the Radio for last 3 months. I was wondering when the liberals would finally hear it and get worried.

 

[CCS]

Pretty bonkers. I couldn't access the article- what reason, if any, did Obama give for considering this?

Maybe he's getting rattled by all the stuff Cheney is saying and is (over)compensating by announcing these laws, trying to head off any perceived weakness on national security :dunno:



I'll see your authoritarian legislation and raise you another!

No, he probably wants to arrest and hold Cheney followers without trial. Good point though about Cheney. I think he is the one who first proposed the Patriot Act.

 

[CCS]

My facebook page says I'm a Ron Paul supporter. I'm also in a libertarian group. It is far easier to fight for freedom while you are still free, much like it is much easier to protect yourself from a rapist before they tie you up. So I'm not going to leave all libertarian networks and let Obama have his way.

Now I do think Ron Paul bumber stickers are dumb since most people don't put any stickers on their cars whether they like something or not. That is just a good way to get pulled over by the police. I've heard of many police officers pulling people over for having third party stickers on their cars. Maybe it could help get him elected in 2012.

 

[HughJass]

Glad you woke up. Many people saw that one comming.

Obama has already stated whom he suspect terrorists to be. He believes pro-lifers, pro-second amendment people, libertarians, Nader lovers, Ron Paul followers, anyone who carries a copy of the constitution, and state's rights advocates to be terror suspects.

hurry! before the black helicopters come!

 

[optimus prime]

I'm really not a fan of Obama.

He is great with words, but so is any actor.

 

[CCS]

I'm really not a fan of Obama.

He is great with words, but so is any actor.

Well I hope everyone on here only voted for him as a vote against Bush, even though Bush used up his two terms. :whistle: But hopefully in 2012 you vote against Obama.

I like that he says he supports school vouchers (still waiting for legislation), and that he is not preaching religion or righting evolution. But when he tells scientists to stop researching adult stem cells and only research embryonic, well, that is certainly not the worse thing he did or even close, but it makes it hard for me to speak highly of him.

 

[ClayShaw]

Obama is breaking new ground... he's trying something that not even Bush had the cajones to attempt. He's trying to grant the government authority to detain people indefinitely not just if they were involved in a crime, or terrorism... but if the government believes that they are "potential" criminals or terrorists.

To quote the article:

President Obama told human rights advocates at the White House on Wednesday that he was mulling the need for a “preventive detentionâ€￾ system that would establish a legal basis for the United States to incarcerate terrorism suspects who are deemed a threat to national security but cannot be tried.

"A threat to national security, but cannot be tried"?? What the heck does this mean? I thought that we all had a basic right to due process and a trial by a jury of our peers? NOT ANYMORE if this is put into force.

Hate to break the bad news, but this is pretty eye opening. We all better wake the f*ck up and start paying attention to what is going on.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/po ... 4&emc=eta1

If this applies to American citizens, he needs to be impeached yesterday (and I voted for him. Well... I voted against Palin.)
If its for non-citizens, than its merely a really terrible idea.

 

[ClayShaw]

Glad you woke up. Many people saw that one comming.

Obama has already stated whom he suspect terrorists to be. He believes pro-lifers, pro-second amendment people, libertarians, Nader lovers, Ron Paul followers, anyone who carries a copy of the constitution, and state's rights advocates to be terror suspects.

Google DHS Department of Homeland Security and terrorist suspects. Jannet Napoletano agrees with Obama on this.

Anyone want to post a link? I've heard a lot about this on Fox and the Radio for last 3 months. I was wondering when the liberals would finally hear it and get worried.

I think that report was a bit overblown. There are some elements of some of the groups above who may be a security risk. My understanding of that report was that it was a routine report that some idiot decided to publicize. I think they include the lefty morons that spike trees in the west in those things too.

 

[ClayShaw]

I'm really not a fan of Obama.

He is great with words, but so is any actor.

Well I hope everyone on here only voted for him as a vote against Bush, even though Bush used up his two terms. :whistle: But hopefully in 2012 you vote against Obama.

I like that he says he supports school vouchers (still waiting for legislation), and that he is not preaching religion or righting evolution. But when he tells scientists to stop researching adult stem cells and only research embryonic, well, that is certainly not the worse thing he did or even close, but it makes it hard for me to speak highly of him.

I didn't vote against Bush (already did that twice), I voted against Palin. I also think Obama is a smart guy (editor of the Harvard Law review isn't a job they give away), and depending on who the GOP picks in 2012, I'll vote for Obama again. If its another person that needs a lesson in the 1st amendment, I'll vote for Obama.