One Reason Your Hair Is Thinning? Some Of It Turns Into Skin

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the whole in depth of stem cells division into either follicles or skin was discussed years ago on either hairlosshelp or hairsite or regrowth.com cant remember which....




Aging isn’t kind to our bodies—or our hair. As we get older, the cellular machinery that regenerates our crowning glory slows, causing it to thin and disappear. Now, scientists have uncovered a new mechanism behind hair loss: When stem cells in hair follicles are damaged by age, they turn themselves into skin. Over time, this happens to more and more stem cells, causing hair follicles to shrink and eventually disappear.

This is the first time such a switch has been associated with aging in any tissue, says Emi Nishimura, a biologist at Tokyo Medical and Dental University who led the study.

Stem cells—precursor cells that can give rise to specialized cells like skin and hair—regenerate throughout the life of an organism and are located all over the body. But unlike stem cells in the blood or intestinal lining, hair follicle stem cells regenerate on a cyclical basis. Their active growth phase is followed by a dormant phase, in which they stop producing hair. These discrete on-off periods make hair follicle stem cells a useful model for studying stem cell regulation—and hair loss.

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“Previously, people knew that when we age, the hair becomes thinner,” says Cheng-Ming Chuong, a biologist at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles who was not involved in the work. But at the cellular and molecular level, “there’s not enough understanding.”

To figure out why hair thins in old age, Nishimura and her colleagues started with mice. They looked at hair follicle stem cell growth cycles in live animals—a daunting task—and found that age-related DNA damage triggers the destruction of a protein called Collagen 17A1. That in turn triggers the transformation of stem cells into epidermal keratinocytes, they report today in Science. In their new state, the damaged stem cells slough off easily from the skin’s surface.

“When damaged cells deplete that niche of Collagen 17A1, they alter their own signaling environment,” says Maksim Plikus, a biologist at the University of California, Irvine, who was not involved in the study. He calls it “interesting” that these damaged cells “change their fate” rather than committing suicide through apoptosis (programmed cell death) or stopping cell division through senescence.

To see whether their results carried over to people, Nishimura and her team analyzed hair follicles in scalps from women aged 22 to 70. They found that follicles in people over 55 were smaller, with lower levels of Collagen 17A1. “We assume that … aging processes and mechanisms [similar to those in the mice] explain the human age-associated hair thinning and hair loss,” Nishimura says. She adds that Collagen 17A1 could be a target for hair loss treatments—although stem cell depletion is unlikely to be the only factor behind the condition.

The new study adds to a growing body of work that examines the cellular and molecular mechanisms of stem cell regulation. Another study published today—also in Science—finds that a transcription factor called Foxc1 could also help regulate the hair growth cycle.

Rui Yi, a biologist at the University of Colorado, Boulder, and colleagues found that the transcription factor was expressed in active hair follicle stem cells, but not in inactive ones. When they bred mice without Foxc1 in their skin, the activated stem cells didn’t go back into the dormant, or quiescent, state. After further testing, they concluded that active cells produce Foxc1 to temporarily “deactivate,” thus keeping their regeneration in check.

“After the cells start to duplicate, they say, ‘mission accomplished, let’s go back to quiescence. Let’s wait for the next time,’” Yi says. This suggests that stem cells can sense their state and respond appropriately.

Together, the two studies highlight that within the past 15 years, hair follicle stem cells have become a tractable model for studying stem cell behavior, Plikus says. Now, scientists are starting to unlock the underlying molecular machinery. Says Chuong: “These two papers sort of represent the beginning of these new efforts.”
 

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Interesting. Unfortunately it seems that the molecule is too large to be absorbed topically so can only be taken orally. I am not sure about injection derived serums either as most collagen products seem to be bovine product. I may add some supplements to my regime just to see if it makes a difference but not sure it will to be honest.
 

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Topically Applied Collagen
View attachment 81186View attachment 81187By Florence Barrett-Hill, Author of Cosmetic Chemistry for the skin treatment therapist

Collagen has been a component of skin care formulations for many years, and over this time there have been numerous claims of its efficiency to directly assist in the treatment of fine lines and wrinkles by supplementing the skins own collagen and assist in the development of new collagen.
In years past, we believed the marketing hype that led us to trust that topically applied collagen had the ability to do this, however these days we are now more aware of the real facts behind this myth.


View attachment 81188Injection of collagen has been shown to be the only method of delivering effective quantities of this protein below the edidermis

Imagine my surprise when at an international professional beauty expo, I came across a company that was promoting a product that contained bovine collagen as a key ingredient to stimulate new human collagen growth in the dermis.
After listening to the sales pitch of one of the staff on the stand, (who was adamant that the bovine collagen in the formulation helped stimulate new collagen growth via being absorbed through the epidermis) and looking at the rest of the ingredients, it became clear that it was the other ingredients that played the stimulating role in collagen production.
So why was the collagen being peddled as the "wonder ingredient"?
It would seem that there are people who still do not understand why topically applied collagen can not play any role in a formulation other than providing substance to the cream or gel it is used in.


What about collagen injections?
This is where some folks get a little confused about what introduced (not synthesised by the body) collagen can and can not do.

We know collagen in the body is the primary connective tissue protein and is present in skin and cartilage. Its main physiological functions are to provide structural integrity and tensile strength for connective tissue.
It is now well known that injecting forms of collagen below the epidermis does indeed provide temporary supplementation of the existing collagen before being slowly broken down into amino acids and then absorbed by the body, however this introduced collagen is simply a dermal filler. It does nothing to stimulate the new growth of collagen. Any topical application of collagen will have even less of a role because of a number of its biological and physical properties. Let's look at the types of collagen found in formualtions, and why it can not stimulate collagen synthesis.

View attachment 81189Most collagens used in cosmetic formulations are derived from bovine, pig or fish sourcesCollagen in formulations
The processed collagens used in cosmetic formulations, shampoos and conditioners are primarily used in for their substantive plumping and humectant (moisturising) properties. Understandably they are water-soluble.

The most common forms of collagen in cosmetic formulations are Collagen hydrolysate (Bovine) and Protein Hydrolysate. (Marine) There are other forms derived from wheat and seaweed that are less common, but for the purposes of this discussion, we will focus on the animal derived collagens.
The term hydrolysate comes from the process of Hydrolysation and refers to enzymatically or chemically processed collagen, which is mainly derived from bovine, ox and pigskin and bone, or in the case of marine collagen, fish scales and bone.

Hydrolysed collagen consists of water-soluble peptides of various molecular weights. These peptides are rich in the amino acids found in collagen, including glycine, L-proline and L-hydroxyproline.
Nutritional supplements containing hydrolysed collagen are marketed for bone and joint health purposes. Hydrolysed collagen and gelatin hydrolysates are similarly used. It is these peptides and amino acids that are the basis of enthusiastic claims.

View attachment 81190There is insufficient clinical data to prove that toppically appled collagen assists in the synthesis of new collagen in humansHow is it supossed to work?
The claims that Hydrolysed collagen contributes to the synthesis of new collagen is based on the amino acids that it contains; however L-hydroxyproline is not a genetic amino acid. It is formed in collagen post-translationaly. (After formation) Consequently, L-hydroxyproline in hydrolysed collagen would not contribute to collagen synthesis. Further, the body synthesizes both glycine and L-proline, so it is unclear how any glycine or L-proline in hydrolysed collagen would make any significant contribution to further collagen synthesis.

There is speculation however, that some oligopeptides that may be present in hydrolysed collagen may have a stimulatory effect on collagen synthesis, but for this to occur, they must be able to reach the fibroblast. (the cell that initiates collagen production)
Health supplements that aid joint and cartlidge ailments use collagens that are injested with the peptides delivery system to the site of damage via the bloodstream. Similarly, any nutrients delivered to the fibroblast of the dermis must also be via the microcirculation. In this case it is to the papillary layer.

This is where the problem of the topically applied collagens molecular size and how it circumvents the lipid bi-layers of the epidermis for transdermal absorption in to the microcirculation presents itself.

View attachment 81191The epidermal bilayers form the biggest barrier to topical collagen adsorbtion

Size, compatability & quantity
Typically, high quality hydrolysed collagen has a molecular size of around 5,000 9,000 Daltons, (A Dalton is a measure of atomic weight of molecules) whereas a size below 2,000 Daltons is required to penetrate the lipid bi-layers of the epidermis. (Some forms of collagen have molecular sizes up to 300, 000 Daltons!) Further, the introduced collagen is a water-soluble (hydrophilic) protein, and the lipid bi-layers are the epidermis's oil (hydrophobic) barrier.

The laws of physics demonstrate that water based substances will not penetrate this lipid barrier easily.

Clearly, unless some form of penetration enhancement is utilised, the collagen has little chance of completing its transdermal journey. Further, the sheer quantity of collagen required to make a noticeable contribution over the any given period of application is only practically delivered by volume injection.
Note that injected collagen has not been shown to offer any stimulating activity for the generation of new collagen in the dermis, so there is really no point in persuing technologies that could deliver the peptides of topically applied collagen to the lower levels of the epidermis when there are so many other quality ingredients such as the various forms of vitamins A and C that have been proven to better assist in the stimulation and formation of collagen.

Contemporary therapists are more aware of the limitations of new products and treatments than ever before due to better education. Perhaps the marketing departments of some skin care companies should consider this before making performance claims that we consider outdated and consequently embarrassing.



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View attachment 81192Florence Barrett-Hill - CIDESCO, ITEC Diplomas. Independent Technical Educator & author to the Professional Aesthetics Industry

Florence Barrett-Hill is an internationally acclaimed dermal science educator, practitioner, researcher and author with a vast experience covering all aspects of professional aesthetic therapy and paramedical skin care. Florence holds over a dozen diplomas and international qualifications covering every aspect of modern skin treatment therapy, and is well respected by her industry peers for her 30+ years of knowledge she loves to share. Florence is the programme director of Pastiche Resources, an Internationally recognised postgraduate beauty industry education provider.
 
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:);):(:mad: hahah looks like an ad.... collagen is the last thing we want................................................its the opposite bro . you may wanna you edit that post ? is full of advertising etc
 

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So you are saying the we don't want collagen 17A1 for healthy scalp as it seems to me that your post infers that depletion of collagen 17A1 is what sends the cells into a phase of skin production.
 

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Here is my question. Does hair become thinner with age? I can tell you right now with plain observation that a lot of old grandmas have some pretty great hair for being 60+ years old. Maybe not like when they were 20 but pretty close not much thinner. Now if you look at old men its way way less. I think hormones are why most older men are thin and balding while a lot of women at older ages still have very good hair.
Im not convinced hair just thins from aging because of cellular mechanisms getting less efficient at what they did. Without understanding how it all works its very hard to say it does or doesnt.
 

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And the bottom line is, estrogen, the goddess of hormones, makes a woman a creature with lots of beautiful hair, until it is diminished by age. Testosterone, the god of hormones, makes a man, Samson, yet it lays waste to beauty all the while. Natures gambit and we, men, are the pawns.
 

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And the bottom line is, estrogen, the goddess of hormones, makes a woman a creature with lots of beautiful hair, until it is diminished by age. Testosterone, the god of hormones, makes a man, Samson, yet it lays waste to beauty all the while. Natures gambit and we, men, are the pawns.

If you just look at men and women 50+ you can see some dramatic differences in numbers and quality of hair. I think hormones are that reason generally speaking. What else is so dramatically different between men and women besides hormones?
You cant convince me there arent more older women with great hair then men at that age. If it were simply aging they would be similar. Estrogen has beneficial effects for hair, and male hormones are bad.
 
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