Propecia serious side effects?!

[noway]

My dermatologist prescribed me Propecia.
Before I started treatment, I looked up for side effects on the internet, and came across some horrific stories, and this:
http://askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=20788&name=PROPECIA

After reading this, I don't have courage to put the first pill in my mouth.
There are indeed a small number of people complaining of permanent and more serious side effects, than annouced by Merck.
Most people believe that this small group side effects are just psychological.
However, there are some physical sintomns such as testicular pain, gyno, and others that make it hard to believe that this is all psychological.
Specially when some of these people have been fighting post-Propecia side effects for years and years.

In fact sexual side effects (lack of libido, ED) and breast tenderness/enlargement are proven side effects of Propecia. If this drug messes up that much with the hormones, can we safely say that these symptoms are just psychological?
I think not.

And therefore, I'd like to know how many people start this treatment after reading the comments on that page.

For me, I'll try Minoxidil and Laser Comb, as I'm too afraid to use this drug.

 

[Avery]

And therefore, I'd like to know how many people start this treatment after reading the comments on that page.

There are a LOT of people using finasteride. Reading a web page dedicated to side effects is NOT a good representation of the number of people who actually get them. People with good results and no side effects aren't scowering the Internet still seeking answers and complaining.

Most people believe that this small group side effects are just psychological.
However, there are some physical sintomns such as testicular pain, gyno, and others that make it hard to believe that this is all psychological.

If a person wants to see side effects, they are going to. The number of people who get them is a lot less than that site (and this site!) make it seem. I wouldn't worry too much, but if you're nervous about taking it, start with a low dosage for a while and slowly raise it until you reach 1mg. If you experience anything, stop taking it.

For me, I'll try Minoxidil and Laser Comb, as I'm too afraid to use this drug.

Minoxidil is a good idea. Laser combs do not do anything; if you're serious about wasting $500-$2000, send it to me. =p

 

[noway]

I didn't comment on the percentage of people having side effects.
The fact is... if just 0.01% of the people that undergo Propecia have permanent side-effects, or just the kind of described by those people, then I prefer not to take the chance.

About them being psychological, and self-induced, I can see how the brain can easily affect sex life.
However, even Merck claims that the product causes sexual side-effects. Just they claim they disappear as soon as you quit the drug. This could be the case, and the people that self-induced these side-effects (that didn't come from the drug itself) will still have them when they stop the treatment. However, not all of these symptoms can be explained by this theory. Testicular pain, gyno, more water-like semen, etc...

About Laser Combs, they do work for some people. And this has been documented. Don't make stupid afirmations like that. Laser Combs might not work as well as Propecia but surely they aren't a scam.

 

[Avery]

I fail to see the point, then. Indeed, there is a risk when taking finasteride. No one's disputing that. It sounds like you're looking for someone to agree with you that you made the right decision. I think you're being paranoid and don't believe people who claim permanent side effects due to the drug. I think they're hypocondriacs or manifesting their own systems. The placebo studies on finasteride speak volumes about how powerful the psyche is, especially regarding a sensitive issue for me, that is our sexual function.

About Laser Combs, they do work for some people. And this has been documented. Don't make stupid afirmations like that. Laser Combs might not work as well as Propecia but surely they aren't a scam.

LOL, ok chief.

 

[bubka]

:uglylol: This guy says .01% is too much, which I have no clue except for his *** where he pulled that number from. Yet supports the laser comb. Go and buy yourself a laser pointer, it is the same exact thing.

Good luck with that, as well has getting your hair to be rogaine dependent

 

[noway]

I don't support Laser treatment, I haven't tried it yet. But a lot of people support it.
And laser treatments in clinics have existed for a very long time before the Laser Combs.

About the permanent side effects of Propecia, I don't know if they are all fake, but come on... Some of these cases are impossible to be just psychological, because they don't even have spontaneous erections, and things like this.

I don't know why you're flaming me. I'm not paranoid, because I didn't even take Propecia so far. But I'm afraid yes, after reading some stories. I find it hard for them to be all invented.
I mean.. if gyno hadn't been associated with Propecia by Merck, people would still be saying that breast tenderness would be psychological, and the enlargement to be just part of the person's system.

But since you're the experts here, I'd honestly like your opinion about the possible treatments.
You say Laser Comb is completely scam, and I read that for some people it works. Can you show me evidence of this please, to stop me and other people from wasting the money?
Also, you say that Rogaine makes your hair dependent on it? Isn't it the same as what happens with Propecia? You use it, it works, you stop using it... hairs fall.

 

[bubka]

You say Laser Comb is completely scam, and I read that for some people it works. Can you show me evidence of this please, to stop me and other people from wasting the money?

Here is a debate between two doctors, the one is now a salesman who sells this red diode laser that shines through a plastic causing it to diffract and refract called the "hairmax laser comb" as pictured above.

http://www.hairtransplantadviser.org/bl ... er-debate/

I suggest you listen and learn. Or take a look at the "success stories" forum here and see all 0 results from laser combs.

Also, you say that Rogaine makes your hair dependent on it? Isn't it the same as what happens with Propecia? You use it, it works, you stop using it... hairs fall.

Yes, hair regrowth that is caused by Rogaine is dependent on the substance. For finasteride, it has actually no direct effect on hair follicles, it inhibits AR5 enzymes which decreases DHT conversion which causes hair to regrow. Finasteride will only cause hair to fall all that you were to lose anyways if you discontinue its usage. Rogaine can cause hairs to become dependent on it, even if they are currently not sensitive to DHT.

 

[noway]

I'm not so much interested in re-growth as I am in keeping my current hair from falling.
Would you recommend Rogaine? Or?

Regarding lasers, I won't have time today to hear that debate, but I was reading for a thread here about Laser treatment, and would like to know what's your opinion about OMG laser helmet. From what he says, it seems that it's the current big thing.

Thanks for helping.

 

[bubka]

The lasers comb came out in 2000, it is 2008, if it was the "big thing" I guess we are all too stupid to know it.

I only suggest first going to a Doctor and getting a prescription for finasteride and have blood work done. I do not recommend rogaine for the reasons I listed above, plus you should apply it 2x daily (not sure about the foam) which I think is impracticable compared to popping a pill. Also recommend Nizoral shampoo which you can get OTC for 1% solution.

Summary:
Finasteride
Nizoral

 

[noway]

when i say "big thing", i mean... does it work? laser helmets as described by OMG.
have u tried it out?

regarding Propecia (Finasteride), as I said before, I'll pass on that one.
Sure is tempting to just pop a pill once daily, but I don't believe ALL the people who complain about permanent side effects are faking it, or are hypochondriac.

 

[Obsidian]

Well it is your choice, just don't complain here when you start getting more of a permanent shed and say I wish I would have got on Propecia.

 

[Guest]

Quit that poison and start using revivogen..It works great for me..

 

[bubka]

Suggest your laser pointer too, it works!

 

[Guest]

What a propecia deniar...Guys never trust anything bubka says..He is a liar and will do anything to get people on propecia just so he is not the only one suffering its side effects that destroy your MANHOOD..YEAH I SAID IT BUBKA..GO COMPARE IT WITH OTHER MEMBERS YOU LOSER..I win whatever happens bubka..Because i know you have no life..

 

[noway]

I have to agree on that.
From what I've read so far, bubka, you do seem like an arrogant prick, not very open minded.
You only defend Propecia.

Many users suggest Revivogen and have had great results.
If you visit other forums, you'll see that laser treatment (not LaserCombs, but the ones done in clinics with 100+ diodes of 5mW each, and 650nm) have also great results.

So quit being damn pessimistic and stupid for people that are here, with much less knowledge than you, trying to solve this problem in their lifes, to get on to more important things. You don't even show any sympathy for people that suffer from side effects of Propecia or that are afraid of this drug.

If Propecia is so goddamn great, why the hell you spend so much time in this forum? It's not for helping people I'm sure.

 

[bubka]

Many users suggest Revivogen and have had great results.
If you visit other forums, you'll see that laser treatment (not LaserCombs, but the ones done in clinics with 100+ diodes of 5mW each, and 650nm) have also great results.

So quit being damn pessimistic and stupid for people that are here, with much less knowledge than you, trying to solve this problem in their lifes, to get on to more important things. You don't even show any sympathy for people that suffer from side effects of Propecia or that are afraid of this drug.

Can we see the results and the studies that back them up??? Or are we going over "user suggest[ions]?" I wouldn't welcome any new type of treatments?

 

[Guest]

I have to agree on that.
From what I've read so far, bubka, you do seem like an arrogant prick, not very open minded.
You only defend Propecia.

Many users suggest Revivogen and have had great results.
If you visit other forums, you'll see that laser treatment (not LaserCombs, but the ones done in clinics with 100+ diodes of 5mW each, and 650nm) have also great results.

So quit being damn pessimistic and stupid for people that are here, with much less knowledge than you, trying to solve this problem in their lifes, to get on to more important things. You don't even show any sympathy for people that suffer from side effects of Propecia or that are afraid of this drug.

If Propecia is so G**d*** great, why the hell you spend so much time in this forum? It's not for helping people I'm sure.

Exactly my point..He never helps anyone here..He justs sits there waiting for people to say they had sides with propecia so he can pounce and say there lying...He lives for flame wars..the guy has no freaking life..hes here all freaking day abusing people who dont love propecia..As for revivogen i would say it works well without the side effects..It is similar to propecia in effectiveness without giving up your manhood.

 

[bubka]

As for revivogen i would say it works well without the side effects..It is similar to propecia in effectiveness without giving up your manhood.

Any studies on that, or are you just making it up out of thin air?

 

[Guest]

As for revivogen i would say it works well without the side effects..It is similar to propecia in effectiveness without giving up your manhood.

Any studies on that, or are you just making it up out of thin air?

There is a study in this very site...I am talking mostly from personal experience..Revivogen stopped my hairloss completely while propecia only slowed it down while destroying my libido and giving me brainfog and low energy..

 

[bubka]

Anecdotal evidence is great but it does not mean anything

The study really didn't show anything except % of DHT metabolism by comparing some typical solution of finasteride and dutasteride.