Propecia Side Effects!

[malhounsen]

Ive been on it for almost 3 months now, and the side effects are happening. No morning woodys, limp dick, what I nightmare. It started last week when I thought I was out of a job and it might have been stress. Hadn't seen my girl for 2 weeks and almost couldnt do it this evening, so depressing! And when we did finally I couldnt really feel it that much (which kind of helped a little too...)

I'm going to stop completely and I'm scared. I'm going to the doctor tomorrow and ask for some help, but I don't expect them to know much.

Has anyone had this problem and found a quick way to get their spring back?

Shitty thing is its def helping my vertex thicken back up, hate to have to stop it, has anyone else gone through this situation and come out win/win?

I'm going to be reading through these forums all night, definitely cant sleep

 

[malhounsen]

So far from what I've read, I should stop propecia immediately (that's a no brainer) and hopefully the sides will just go away.I could stat on revivogen as a substitute since I am experiencing some results on my vertex from a DHT blocker?

 

[malhounsen]

Thanks finfighter, I'll check those out

just found this site

http://www.propeciasideeffects.com/

f**k me, I don't even want to read any of it, just convince myself it wont happen to me and get on with it!!!

 

[Wuffer]

Dude, it's clear you are freaking yourself out over this. It's extremely rare to have these types of persistent symptoms; are you sure the sexual problems you are experiencing weren't a result of your anxiety caused by reading all these stories?

Stop reading that stuff, get away from the message boards for a couple weeks and stop thinking about it. If you still think you are having problems, quit the finasteride and move on. Don't dwell on this, because it's only making things worse.

I've seen hundreds of posts just like this. There is no reason to be reading any of that crap unless you legitimately believe you are experiencing persistent problems after having been off the drug for several months. Reading it now just puts negative thoughts in your mind, and you will start convincing yourself of what isn't there.

 

[Mens Rea]

There is so many guys from the UK having problems im starting to wonder are our endoctrine systems weaker than other parts of the world? Percentage wise it seems very high and all us guys are young, too!

But TS, chill out. Worst case scenario in all liklihood is that you HAD sides from finasteride but you'll be fine no you've stopped. Give your body a week or two to return to normal. You should be fine bro. Lay off the wacking off in the mean time as some guys swear that masturbating after going off finasteride incuced the crash.

You'll be grand. Try taking some zinc say 50mg ED for a week, too.

 

[DIYtony]

There is so many guys from the UK having problems im starting to wonder are our endoctrine systems weaker than other parts of the world? Percentage wise it seems very high and all us guys are young, too!

But TS, chill out. Worst case scenario in all liklihood is that you HAD sides from finasteride but you'll be fine no you've stopped. Give your body a week or two to return to normal. You should be fine bro. Lay off the wacking off in the mean time as some guys swear that masturbating after going off finasteride incuced the crash.

You'll be grand. Try taking some zinc say 50mg ED for a week, too.

If you are white British, then you are almost the same ethnic group as Scandinavians and Germans...

My comment about lifestyle is that I see many users on bodybuilding forums using finasteride like its nothing (granted they are probably using proven dangerous drugs in the first place). Even on here we have peapoddy and other posters in his thread that are very fit and healthy, and reported absolutely 0 side effects. I am wondering whether the people who have PFS were vulnerable to this anyway and finasteride 'pushed' over the edge.

The other thing is that there doesn't seem to be much in common with PFS sufferers, other than obviously the ED libido etc. I think many times its been mentioned how people have completely different hormone levels etc

 

[Wuffer]

I think there might be some truth to that; I started working out ever since I started on finasteride at the beginning of the year. I haven't had any sides at all, and sex drive is almost better than ever. I think it would be important for anyone starting on finasteride to try and keep as healthy as they can, at least during the initial hormone adjustment period. Intense exercise that stimulates HGH production (Squats, deadlifts, benches, etc) as well as High intensity intreval training, are already proven to have a significant benefit to the sex drive. It's a good lifestyle choice for anyone concerned with these problems, even if not on finasteride.

It might be a good idea for anyone who is already overweight to lose some weight before starting on finasteride. We all know there is an estrogen increase from body fat; if finasteride is causing an additional increase, this might be enough to cause problems when combined.

 

[Wuffer]

Mens Rea, that brings up another interesting point; i've seen the same thing. The majority of these reports seem to come out of the UK. I wonder if there is something else going on here in terms of where people get their finasteride from? I know a lot of people get their finasteride from places like inhousepharmacy. Has anyone tried to see if there is a link between different manufacturers and the incidence of persistent side effects?

The generic 5MG finasteride I get is PMS-Finasteride, made by a company in Canada. I know there is a lawsuit involving about 70 individuals in Canada, but other than what I find on these forums, I haven't heard anything about persistent side effects. My doctor hadn't even heard of that, and neither have 2 of my friends also taking finasteride. I've never seen it reported on the news either.

What brands were you guys taking? If it was generic, what company produced it?

I know some countries don't have the same standards when it comes to producting medications.

Also another interesting thing to note is Canada has extremely strict drug importation laws, and it is next to impossible to get generic meds over the boarder (I tried for months; all my meds got seized). It seems that all the drugs here need to either be manufactured in Canada or imported under extremely strict guidelines. If the problem was with the actual manufacturers, it would explain why there are next to no cases in Canada.

 

[Mens Rea]

The other thing is that there doesn't seem to be much in common with PFS sufferers, other than obviously the ED libido etc. I think many times its been mentioned how people have completely different hormone levels etc

WHY of why for the love of God am i reading such misinformation here??

The sides are so similar its untrue:

Sexual sides:

All symptoms of androgen deprivation. LOOK IT UP...

- ED
- Loss of nocturnal and morning erections
- Watery semen
- Reduced semen
- Lower penile/testicle mass (i.e. shrinkage!!)
- Change of tissue on genitals



Then the mental sides:

- Brain fog
- Loss of cognitive thinking
- Loss of emotion connection etc etc



I am genuinely sick and tired of people coming on here, logging into this section of the forum and speaking like they know what they're talking about. It's so unhelpful to other posters and bloody insulting to guys like myself and Enden.

 

[DIYtony]

I didnt say that did I, the symptoms are common yes, but then people seem to post all sorts of blood hormone readings - and throughout those there appears to be high variability.

 

[Mens Rea]

I didnt say that did I, the symptoms are common yes, but then people seem to post all sorts of blood hormone readings - and throughout those there appears to be high variability.

Absolutely. That's the most concerning aspect of all this.

It seems everyone's hormones gets fucked up in different ways. It's extremely complex, but basically when the endoctrine system is disrupted it can light a chain reaction amongst other hormones. These chain-reactions are so variable because of how complicated are bodies are.

There are some very errie trends though such as low 3-adiol-G (i mean REALLY low) all throughout the body. THis is the metabolite of DHT implying so real problem in the production line / metabolism. Given that most endos haven't even heard of this hormone, it shows how difficult a position us guys are in.....

 

[DIYtony]

Also, I don't understand why so many people seem to have strong reactions to taking 50mg of Zinc a day, and small things like this.

When I was an 'athlete', when I got put on a proper diet, my multivits per day added up to 30mg of Zinc, then an average diet would probably get 10mg a day, and I was eating a lot of meat, so I was on 40mg a day easily, and I never noticed anything.

OK I was overloading on just about every other mineral and vitamin probably, but I dont remember any changes to my life other than feeling better in the swimming pool, which was more down to the entire diet. I don't know why people are reacting so much to small things like that.

 

[Mens Rea]

Also, I don't understand why so many people seem to have strong reactions to taking 50mg of Zinc a day, and small things like this.

When I was an 'athlete', when I got put on a proper diet, my multivits per day added up to 30mg of Zinc, then an average diet would probably get 10mg a day, and I was eating a lot of meat, so I was on 40mg a day easily, and I never noticed anything.

OK I was overloading on just about every other mineral and vitamin probably, but I dont remember any changes to my life other than feeling better in the swimming pool, which was more down to the entire diet. I don't know why people are reacting so much to small things like that.

Well that's because you don't understand why it's being suggested

It's suggested because finasteride is said to increase estrogen levels by approximately 15% as a result of lower DHT levels (there is a strong connection between both levels). Some people experience estrogen based side effects as a result

ZINC, works as a weak anti-estrogen (an aromatase inhibitor in fact) and therefore can help people lower this higher estrogen.

Not to mention people with zinc defeciency can have lower testosterone so taking sinc could boost T levels.

It's no surprise a perfectly healthy athlete noticed no difference, what did you expect? For the recond it did nothing for me either (too weak for me) but its no surprise why it helps.

 

[malhounsen]

Hey Guys

Just wanted to do a quick update in case anyone reads this. Sorry about bumping an old thread.

For the record I was on Propecia by Merck sharp & Dohme I got from Boots

Its been 2 weeks now since I stopped and I've gotten a couple morneys, had sex the other night and was almost as good as before (I may already have health related libido problems, might look into the zinc diet to help that out)
So far then it's looking promising. I had my blood tested as soon as I noticed the problem and am going to the doctors on tuesday, however I called the office and they said the test didn't show anything of concern.

The propecia did seem to have a positive effect on my vertex which is saddening, so I've started taking revivogen and am going to look into those other topical dht inhibitors in hopes of keeping it going.

thanks for all the advice!