Proviron for Finasteride Side Effects

[Carlos Marcello]

Everyone knows

Proviron has mesterelone which is syntetic DHT..

If we use finasteride or dutasteride and blocks scalp and serum 5 alpha reductase and use proviron together wih these drugs, what will happen ?

Proviron has no 5 alpha reductase, it has only DHT..

Proviron's DHT can effect to hair follicule ?

For hair loss, which is more important reason ?

5 alpha reductase, DHT or both ??

 

[eenrak]

Countering one medication with another is even more risky than taking finasteride by itself imo.

 

[Vlatch]

Hair loss is caused by DHT, not 5ar. You might as well not take finasteride if you're going this route.

 

[lukedorian]

What no ne really knows is how much DHT does 1 pill or half a pill of proviron rise, i´ve been searching everywhere and there is nothing, recently i started taking proviron as low as 12.5 mg per day i felt amazing and saw no hairloss while on it on the other hand i shed a lot while on arimidex at a very low dose.
i recently stopped the use of propecia after 2 and a half years of continuous use, i stopped on december 2016 to be precise, since them up until march i began to notice some thining no shedding, i was feeling great while i wasn´t on finasteride, when i saw my hair thining again i got back on it right away, side effects did not take long to appear, low libido, low energy, water retention, lousy work outs, poor recovery after working out.
I decided to give this drug a try, before all this and at some point i had tried Clomid and arimidex and i was shedding every day, not until now i realised shedding was caused by Arimidex, my E levels went to the floor < 10 pg.
2 weeks ago i started with proviron 12.5 mg ED while on 1 mg of propecia 3x a week and i felt great, no sides, crazy work outs and recovery, great sleep, how ever i got a bloodwork and it came back with total T of 394 ng/dl, that is why i´m thinking adding clomid to this, perhaps 25 mg EOD, hair looking great.

 

[Bagels]

What no ne really knows is how much DHT does 1 pill or half a pill of proviron rise, i´ve been searching everywhere and there is nothing, recently i started taking proviron as low as 12.5 mg per day i felt amazing and saw no hairloss while on it on the other hand i shed a lot while on arimidex at a very low dose.
i recently stopped the use of propecia after 2 and a half years of continuous use, i stopped on december 2016 to be precise, since them up until march i began to notice some thining no shedding, i was feeling great while i wasn´t on finasteride, when i saw my hair thining again i got back on it right away, side effects did not take long to appear, low libido, low energy, water retention, lousy work outs, poor recovery after working out.
I decided to give this drug a try, before all this and at some point i had tried Clomid and arimidex and i was shedding every day, not until now i realised shedding was caused by Arimidex, my E levels went to the floor < 10 pg.
2 weeks ago i started with proviron 12.5 mg ED while on 1 mg of propecia 3x a week and i felt great, no sides, crazy work outs and recovery, great sleep, how ever i got a bloodwork and it came back with total T of 394 ng/dl, that is why i´m thinking adding clomid to this, perhaps 25 mg EOD, hair looking great.

thanks for sharing. I'm in a similar boat. had to stop finasteride for sides and had actualy low T in a blood test. I've tried clomid, didn't do much but never tried clomid and finasteride at the same time. I've tried all the topicals to no avail, feel I have to go back on finasteride since I have diffuse loss. Proviron sounds interesting, whats a good source?

 

[arnoldd]

Like you said proviron is dht as dianabol or oxy , it doesnt need to be convert like test, so finas or duta do nothing. If you are prone to baldness you are just killing your follicles. You will notice hair loss/thinning hairs after 3 or 4 months.

Pd. Ex steroids user

 

[copcop1970]

how much arimidex were you taking??

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

Does proviron boost DHT in the skin or in the blood?

 

[arnoldd]

yes man, it seems also anti estrogen are not good for hairs. because if you lowered the estrogen there is more testo, and more testo lead in more dht. even on duta you are inihbitin 90% dht but this time from a more large quantity.

 

[lukedorian]

Proviron 25 mg twice a day is a terrible idea, i´m currently on Clomid 12.5 mg eod, Propecia 1 mg eod, Arimidex 0.5 mg twice a week, Proviron 12.5 mg daily (half a pill)
The reason for using Arimidex is that E2 got up to 38 pg/dl and i was noticing it, so that of proviron having antiestrogenic effects i doubt it at least not while on propecia.
I´ve been doing a lot of research about clomid and is a bit complex, is not like the more you take the more you gonna get out of it, it has an isomer Zuclomiphene that is chemocally similar to estrogen so it will raise E2 in a way Arimidex can not control so i need to be cautious about it´s use, i belive my T levels were low before using propecia but i don´t think it made it worse.
Again no one knows how much DHT proviron rises, so i guess a low dose of 12.5 mg (half a pill) may compensate the lack of DHT caused by propecia with out leaving the hair follicule completely uncovered.
Also is very counter productive to use Arimidex without knowing for a fact E2 is high, supressing too much estrogen is also very bad for skin and sexual drive and body composition.
Recent lab results after 4 weeks on Clomid 25 EOD, propecia 1 mg EOD and Proviron 25 mg a day
Testosterone 4.54 ng/dl Normal range 3.50 - 8.70 (at least in this lab) My aim is to get it to 7.0
LH 7.7 Normal range 3.3 - 8.3 (is almost in the high normal range)
E2 38 pg/dl Normal range 15 - 45 (in this lab) I believe this is the reason why my test is still at 4.50 and not higher)
SHBG 26 This one tends to be low so i think is a way to compensate and get more free test.

After this is when i reduced clomid to 12.5 mg EOD, keep propecia 1 mg EOD, Reduce proviron 12.5 mg ED and add Arimidex 0.5 twice a week.
When i get to a month mark, i´ll have a blood drawn and see if it has improved, i believe when E2 is at the low end total testosterone will rise.

 

[lukedorian]

Like you said proviron is dht as dianabol or oxy , it doesnt need to be convert like test, so finas or duta do nothing. If you are prone to baldness you are just killing your follicles. You will notice hair loss/thinning hairs after 3 or 4 months.

Pd. Ex steroids user

Hey, about that, do you know or have any idea on how much does proviron rises DHT, i have not been able to find anything on the web, i have been taking it now for over 2 month and haven´t been noticing important on my hair, once i start with clomid and arimidex then i notice some shedding, not on the low dose of proviron i use.

 

[lukedorian]

I've tried it for fun. I was taking dutasteride 1mg a day. And I tried proviron 25mg twice a day for 3 weeks. Yes it was really bad for my hair, really really really bad. But it didn't do anything good to my libido ...
I think low DHT is not why we have side effects. Our problem is too low 5ar ... that what I think after this little self experiment.
I tried clomiphene & tamoxifen too ... the worst after proviron for the hair ... It was really a bad idea. It raised my testosterone to a tremendous level.
I'm looking to humans-rats for my experiments. Thank you.

How do you know it raised your testosterone to a tremendous level??? did you have a blood work to confirm that??

 

[arnoldd]

Hey, about that, do you know or have any idea on how much does proviron rises DHT, i have not been able to find anything on the web, i have been taking it now for over 2 month and haven´t been noticing important on my hair, once i start with clomid and arimidex then i notice some shedding, not on the low dose of proviron i use.

i don't know it. but it's a bodybuilders drugs, it raises also androgens. you will notice thinning or hair loss after 3 or 4 months. if take care your hair quit now all these drugs ( Proviron and anti estrogens).

 

[lukedorian]

i don't know it. but it's a bodybuilders drugs, it raises also androgens. you will notice thinning or hair loss after 3 or 4 months. if take care your hair quit now all these drugs ( Proviron and anti estrogens).

Well facts say other wise, after 2 month on it my just taking 1 pill x 25 mg a day, did nothing for my testosterone 394, but it raises my E2 36 pg/dl, so i started clomid and my t levels rised a bit but my e2 did as well 40 pg/dl, so AI is needed.
As i stated before i´m aware that these drugs affect the efectiveness of propecia in a bad way but i´m not willing to feel castrated with out giving a fight
When E2 high i feel moody, shity workouts and recovery and don´t get that pump on the gym after working out.
Have in mind is a very low dose of everything, until i find the sweet spot, hair is looking fine, ofcourse not as good as when i´m only on propecia, but is not worth it, even taking it twice a week has a great effect on hair but also in sides, so i´ll keeo up with this.

 

[lukedorian]

Yep

Ok could you please share? Ok never mind after seeing what you are willing to take to keep hair does not surprise me you had a bad experience with antiandrogens
2 mg of dutasteride OMG, i would not try that ever
Hey swisstemples is said to take 10 mg of dutasteride and can barely keep his hair, in the end is all genetics.

 

[pikemason]

Is there any updates? Is it worth it to be on proviron and propecia at the same time?

 

[pikemason]

What no ne really knows is how much DHT does 1 pill or half a pill of proviron rise, i´ve been searching everywhere and there is nothing, recently i started taking proviron as low as 12.5 mg per day i felt amazing and saw no hairloss while on it on the other hand i shed a lot while on arimidex at a very low dose.
i recently stopped the use of propecia after 2 and a half years of continuous use, i stopped on december 2016 to be precise, since them up until march i began to notice some thining no shedding, i was feeling great while i wasn´t on finasteride, when i saw my hair thining again i got back on it right away, side effects did not take long to appear, low libido, low energy, water retention, lousy work outs, poor recovery after working out.
I decided to give this drug a try, before all this and at some point i had tried Clomid and arimidex and i was shedding every day, not until now i realised shedding was caused by Arimidex, my E levels went to the floor < 10 pg.
2 weeks ago i started with proviron 12.5 mg ED while on 1 mg of propecia 3x a week and i felt great, no sides, crazy work outs and recovery, great sleep, how ever i got a bloodwork and it came back with total T of 394 ng/dl, that is why i´m thinking adding clomid to this, perhaps 25 mg EOD, hair looking great.

Is there any updates? Is it worth it to be on proviron and propecia at the same time?

 

[pikemason]

Like you said proviron is dht as dianabol or oxy , it doesnt need to be convert like test, so finas or duta do nothing. If you are prone to baldness you are just killing your follicles. You will notice hair loss/thinning hairs after 3 or 4 months.

Pd. Ex steroids user

Whats your thoughts on propecia and taking TRT at the same time?

 

[pikemason]

Proviron 25 mg twice a day is a terrible idea, i´m currently on Clomid 12.5 mg eod, Propecia 1 mg eod, Arimidex 0.5 mg twice a week, Proviron 12.5 mg daily (half a pill)
The reason for using Arimidex is that E2 got up to 38 pg/dl and i was noticing it, so that of proviron having antiestrogenic effects i doubt it at least not while on propecia.
I´ve been doing a lot of research about clomid and is a bit complex, is not like the more you take the more you gonna get out of it, it has an isomer Zuclomiphene that is chemocally similar to estrogen so it will raise E2 in a way Arimidex can not control so i need to be cautious about it´s use, i belive my T levels were low before using propecia but i don´t think it made it worse.
Again no one knows how much DHT proviron rises, so i guess a low dose of 12.5 mg (half a pill) may compensate the lack of DHT caused by propecia with out leaving the hair follicule completely uncovered.
Also is very counter productive to use Arimidex without knowing for a fact E2 is high, supressing too much estrogen is also very bad for skin and sexual drive and body composition.
Recent lab results after 4 weeks on Clomid 25 EOD, propecia 1 mg EOD and Proviron 25 mg a day
Testosterone 4.54 ng/dl Normal range 3.50 - 8.70 (at least in this lab) My aim is to get it to 7.0
LH 7.7 Normal range 3.3 - 8.3 (is almost in the high normal range)
E2 38 pg/dl Normal range 15 - 45 (in this lab) I believe this is the reason why my test is still at 4.50 and not higher)
SHBG 26 This one tends to be low so i think is a way to compensate and get more free test.

After this is when i reduced clomid to 12.5 mg EOD, keep propecia 1 mg EOD, Reduce proviron 12.5 mg ED and add Arimidex 0.5 twice a week.

UPDATES PLEASE?



When i get to a month mark, i´ll have a blood drawn and see if it has improved, i believe when E2 is at the low end total testosterone will rise.

 

[sboubars]

what about using topical finasteride to decrease dht in the scalp and taking proviron to keep dht at normal levels in the body? wil that not work?